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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To speak to school about this?

71 replies

LoveThemNormally · 06/11/2021 16:28

DD is 7 year 3.

On Thursday 8 of the class where missing due to a local/family wedding (one of those towns where everyone knows everyone – the sister of one child married the dad of another child, and the DNs and neighbours of the people getting married where also invited who all seem to be in this class) and another 4 are off waiting covid test results.

That left 12 in the class. Apparently in the morning when the teacher realised so many where off she took them to the hall and they were spread out among the classes in school 2-3 per class. DD and others have said they were given a text book and told to copy down English work and Maths sums and work them out – DD and the two she was in class with says her teacher came in to check on them once in the whole day but they were not set any specific work. They also missed their weekly PE lesson and their day on the schools outdoor play equipment.

DD says she did nothing all day, which I can well believe, she can’t read (dyslexic) and is usually in her classroom for short periods of time to listen to what she has to do then spends sometime each lesson out of the classroom with the TA and some of the other children. She’s lost a whole day of support which she usually gets (and is funded by the council). She will work with the TA or teacher nearby but not helping her specifically, buy when there’s no-one watching her she will sit and do nothing rather than get it wrong.

I understand trying to catch up 12 children is hard on the teacher and I’m not annoyed that they didn’t do any actual planned work, I am more annoyed she was put in a classroom without any of the support and missed out on the one thing she looks forward to all week at school (play equipment day). She was in a year 6 class so absolutely no chance of her accessing their work and learning from them. She struggles with school due to her dyslexia and I have a hard enough job getting her into school as it is, something like this makes it even hard.

I’d have been fine if they’d put the class in with the other Year 3 class for part of the day but understand that might not have been possible (there’s 23 in the other class but I know at least 3 are off waiting covid results and 2 went to the wedding, so 18 in there).

I know DD had no input at all from her assigned TA as on Friday as we left (the one day DD gets no input – we’ve set this deliberately to give her a chance to “show” her own progress) we saw the TA as we were coming out of school and she said to DD “I’ve missed your smiley face these last 2 days” and there’s also nothing for Thursday from the TA in her progress diary (where me, the Teacher and TA record her progress in various places so we can track if she’s able to do something with one of us but not the others or vice versa this is reviewed regularly so we can set DD targets based on it). Other children who were in on Thursday have also asked DD which teacher she was with and what work she did and swapping stories, it sounds like a lot of them either “helped” the teacher they were with or sat and did not much all day.

I just want to know why;
a) They decided to split the class
b) Not to offer DD the support she’s supposed to have that day
c) Why the decision was taken to put DD in the class they did – was it randomly assigned or was there logic to it.

I want to add, in general I love the school, have no issues and they’re very supportive and open and honest about DD and what she can do and how they see things progressing for her. I also don’t expect everyday to be fun and engaging, I know they have things they have to get through, but given the situation recently, I’d like to know why they came to that decision.

So AIBU?

OP posts:
Piggy42 · 07/11/2021 07:48

I get it’s one day and I can understand that particularly during these times the teacher may need to be redeployed elsewhere. However, I’d be concerned that your child’s 1:1 is seen as available to move around as necessary.

Benjispruce5 · 07/11/2021 07:48

It’s one day. You are overthinking. Forget it!

Piggywaspushed · 07/11/2021 07:52

Ona side note OP, how on earth do you have all these details about child absence in the school, including medical absences, including in a year 3 class your DD isn't in??

Platax · 07/11/2021 07:56

@Piggywaspushed

Ona side note OP, how on earth do you have all these details about child absence in the school, including medical absences, including in a year 3 class your DD isn't in??
Not sure that knowing that simply that some went to a wedding and some are waiting for covid test results counts as having "all these details".
fabulouslyglamorousferret · 07/11/2021 07:59

@Poppitt58

Sorry to derail but Wow! Which council provides TA funding for dyslexia without an EHCP?! I want to work there!
I assume the OP is talking about the £6,000 that schools receive annually for each child on the SEND register? This doesn't have to be spent on 1:1 support OP.

I wouldn't worry as a one off - staffing in schools is decimated at the moment with Covid taking people out for at least a fortnight at a time (whereas regular colds etc have a shorter recovery)

Piggywaspushed · 07/11/2021 08:01

Ermmm... it's not 'some', it's exact numbers including children in another class are awaiting covid results.

Where is that info coming from?

Perhaps my DCs didn't go to one of those schools where everyone knows everyone but I never knew who was off and why they were off.

I don't have a problem with OP contacting the school to ask about the decisions made to rehome her own child in a year 6 class. That bits fair enough. But the level of detailed knowledge about the ins and outs of other children's' absences just intrigues me.

spanieleyes · 07/11/2021 08:06

Can I just correct one thing, the £6000 funding often mentioned isn't real funding, it is " notional funding" and based on a series of factors but NOT the actual number of children with additional needs in a particular school. So if a child joins the school with additional needs, the school doesn't receive an extra £6000, they are assumed to have it already!

Whyarewehardofthinking · 07/11/2021 08:13

Whilst it doesn't sound ideal, the reality of being in a school at the moment is very different and also very changable. I'll give you some examples that have happened at our school (large secondary in the NW) since September this year.

  1. No supply available (teachers, cover supervisors or even TAs) for 11 days last term. Lots of merged classes happened.
  2. Multiple 6th form classes having their teacher redeployed and they have given independent work in the common room or a computer suite; many of my classes actually as I'm about to start my 4th week of being off with Covid.
  3. The finance officer, 2 admin staff and a technology technician being 1:1s for students with complex needs (all wracking up at least 5 days of this) as we have had TAs off with Covid, testing with symptoms, their own children being ill (1 in hosptial) etc. We also only managed to replace 4 out of the 9 that left us last year.
  4. Classes are being merged across the board with students being given work specific to their class, whilst in another room as at one point it becomes a supervision problem rather than teaching; safety is the priority at that point.
  5. Despite thinking you know reasons, you won't know where the staff have been redeployed to. Very few parents will know that we have had to merge classes/pull teachers to deal with a variety of issues that do not become public knowledge. We have had 2 suicide attempts on site this year, multiple mental health crises that could not be deescalated and specific staff (mainly the Team Teach staff to deal with violence) have to be placed elsewhere. I'm quite sure some parents were very pissed off when my Year 11 Chemistry class lost me twice in a week but I was needed to help prevent a very upset student hurting themselves.

If it was only one day then try to think of the big picture right now.

fourminutestosavetheworld · 07/11/2021 08:16

"A teacher would not get time off for a wedding unless it was a very close relative."

The teacher wasnt off for a wedding. Two thirds of the pupils were off for a wedding. The teacher had to sit the class and teach elsewhere, as directed by the head and probably for a very good reason.

Foolsrule · 07/11/2021 08:33

I’m surprised at how many people are downplaying this. If the TA’s role is funded because of the (pending) EHCP the OP’s DD has, then she should be with OP’s DD, not covering because the school is short elsewhere. It’s just another example of how children with SEND are marginalized. She can’t access her education without additional support. One day isn’t nothing! I wouldn’t be happy, OP, at all. And the school is poor for allowing a local wedding to affect the education of those children and parents who did turn up. Covid or no covid, you don’t take from a child with SEND. You just don’t!

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/11/2021 08:46

@Piggy42

I get it’s one day and I can understand that particularly during these times the teacher may need to be redeployed elsewhere. However, I’d be concerned that your child’s 1:1 is seen as available to move around as necessary.
Sad to say, this happens quite a lot, or the child has to share the 1:1 in 'group work'.

I'm sure this teacher will have been what she was told by the Headteacher as this kind of decision can't be taken by the teacher. Also that the teacher was required to take another class due to staff absence not just having a nice day off.

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/11/2021 08:48

@fourminutestosavetheworld

"A teacher would not get time off for a wedding unless it was a very close relative."

The teacher wasnt off for a wedding. Two thirds of the pupils were off for a wedding. The teacher had to sit the class and teach elsewhere, as directed by the head and probably for a very good reason.

I know, I read the posts. Someone asked if this was the case 'because if it was they'd be fuming' and a couple of others followed it up.

I agree with you about what the teacher was actually doing.

LoveThemNormally · 07/11/2021 10:35

I've sent an emailing to school just asking why DDs 1-1 wasn't provided and asking it doesn't happen again.

She is significantly behind due to her dyslexia as school refused to send her for assessment so me and ExH paid for it (which cost up over £800, which neither of us could really afford). We went through the schools suggested person for the assessment. She's so behind we're not sure if she'll manage at a mainstream secondary, she can't read, and is working at either Mid Reception or Mid Year 1 level in all areas apart from PE which isn't assessed.

It's not a behaviour thing as I'm told DD is brilliantly behaved she just refuses to work.

And I know the reasons people are off because we have a year group Facebook and people post on there when awaiting covid results as several families are CEV, and some of the wedding photos were posted on the page with the children in it, and i counted 10 from Year 3; 8 from DDs class and 2 from the other class, like I said it#s a town wherre you're either related to or neighbours with or know everyone else, even I knew the bride and groom!

OP posts:
mycatisannoying · 07/11/2021 10:37

Do not contact the school if this was a one-off. Only do so if it's an ongoing thing.

CallmeHendricks · 07/11/2021 10:53

Anyway, the class teacher was clearly not at the wedding (invited or not) because the OP said she popped in to check on the children during the day.
Years ago, when we last used to split classes for teacher absence, we had a system whereby higher achieving children would go to the next year group up and lower achieving children would go to the year below. They would take appropriate work with them but could also join in with what the class they were visiting were doing if that teacher preferred. There's an overlap anyway.

CactusLemonSpice · 07/11/2021 11:09

I would leave it as it's a pretty unusual thing to happen so unlikely it will happen again. I don't think missing one day is the end of the world.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 07/11/2021 11:25

It's not a behaviour thing as I'm told DD is brilliantly behaved she just refuses to work.

If she’s refusing to work that isn’t behaving brilliantly surely?

Sillawithans · 07/11/2021 11:29

I wouldn't be too bothered about this as a one off

TheNoodlesIncident · 07/11/2021 11:43

@Platax

Also amazed at 1-1 support without a EHCP

A lot of councils have a High Needs Funding system (or similar) whereby they allocate funds for children who need support without having to go through the EHCP system. From their point of view I suppose it cuts down on the costs of assessing for an EHCP and administering it, and from children's points of view it means that money is made available much more quickly. The trouble is that if they don't do assessments they don't necessarily know whether the money is being used to the best effect. Usually the school has to reapply for it every year.

Our LA have historically done this too, from YR (age 4) my ds had 1:1 for all classroom hours and additional support as per his IEP (changed to SCIP at one point but the same thing). He is now (age 13) in the process of getting an EHCP as school feels he will need the support into adulthood Sad and LA are withdrawing individual funding for pupils (presumably they cannot afford it any more).

OP I feel for you as I know how much I valued ds's TAs' support, even losing a day seemed a big deal. But in the current climate it seems very likely that your school are suffering a staff shortage and they're just doing the best they can in trying circumstances. I'd cut them some slack.

LoveThemNormally · 07/11/2021 11:44

@OnceuponaRainbow18

It's not a behaviour thing as I'm told DD is brilliantly behaved she just refuses to work.

If she’s refusing to work that isn’t behaving brilliantly surely?

She refuses to work if there's no-one nearby, she says she can't do it so won't even try. If the teacher or TA are sat near her but not necessarily working directly with her she'll do it.

It is one of her targets to try and get her working independently.

OP posts:
LeavesOffTheCactus · 07/11/2021 15:37

@fourminutestosavetheworld I wouldn’t for a second think the teacher was having extended ppa. I just said that if it were me I’d like to know why the kids who went to school didn’t get proper teaching for the day. No one can possibly know the answer to that without asking.

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