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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To speak to school about this?

71 replies

LoveThemNormally · 06/11/2021 16:28

DD is 7 year 3.

On Thursday 8 of the class where missing due to a local/family wedding (one of those towns where everyone knows everyone – the sister of one child married the dad of another child, and the DNs and neighbours of the people getting married where also invited who all seem to be in this class) and another 4 are off waiting covid test results.

That left 12 in the class. Apparently in the morning when the teacher realised so many where off she took them to the hall and they were spread out among the classes in school 2-3 per class. DD and others have said they were given a text book and told to copy down English work and Maths sums and work them out – DD and the two she was in class with says her teacher came in to check on them once in the whole day but they were not set any specific work. They also missed their weekly PE lesson and their day on the schools outdoor play equipment.

DD says she did nothing all day, which I can well believe, she can’t read (dyslexic) and is usually in her classroom for short periods of time to listen to what she has to do then spends sometime each lesson out of the classroom with the TA and some of the other children. She’s lost a whole day of support which she usually gets (and is funded by the council). She will work with the TA or teacher nearby but not helping her specifically, buy when there’s no-one watching her she will sit and do nothing rather than get it wrong.

I understand trying to catch up 12 children is hard on the teacher and I’m not annoyed that they didn’t do any actual planned work, I am more annoyed she was put in a classroom without any of the support and missed out on the one thing she looks forward to all week at school (play equipment day). She was in a year 6 class so absolutely no chance of her accessing their work and learning from them. She struggles with school due to her dyslexia and I have a hard enough job getting her into school as it is, something like this makes it even hard.

I’d have been fine if they’d put the class in with the other Year 3 class for part of the day but understand that might not have been possible (there’s 23 in the other class but I know at least 3 are off waiting covid results and 2 went to the wedding, so 18 in there).

I know DD had no input at all from her assigned TA as on Friday as we left (the one day DD gets no input – we’ve set this deliberately to give her a chance to “show” her own progress) we saw the TA as we were coming out of school and she said to DD “I’ve missed your smiley face these last 2 days” and there’s also nothing for Thursday from the TA in her progress diary (where me, the Teacher and TA record her progress in various places so we can track if she’s able to do something with one of us but not the others or vice versa this is reviewed regularly so we can set DD targets based on it). Other children who were in on Thursday have also asked DD which teacher she was with and what work she did and swapping stories, it sounds like a lot of them either “helped” the teacher they were with or sat and did not much all day.

I just want to know why;
a) They decided to split the class
b) Not to offer DD the support she’s supposed to have that day
c) Why the decision was taken to put DD in the class they did – was it randomly assigned or was there logic to it.

I want to add, in general I love the school, have no issues and they’re very supportive and open and honest about DD and what she can do and how they see things progressing for her. I also don’t expect everyday to be fun and engaging, I know they have things they have to get through, but given the situation recently, I’d like to know why they came to that decision.

So AIBU?

OP posts:
FrenchToasty · 06/11/2021 18:48

Schools are at breaking point due to covid and winter illness absence and there are usually no supply teachers left. It sounds like the teacher was deployed elsewhere.

The alternative to not enough staff is that whole year groups are sent home or the entire school is shut. And yes that is happening right now in many places.

LoveThemNormally · 06/11/2021 18:52

@Hankunamatata

Go in calmly and ask what happened last week with dd being in a different class - was there not enough teachers, was someone ill etc. Impressed with dyslexia diagnosis before 8 as our our education board will not do them before 8th birthday.
The LA didn't pay for it, ExH and I did it cost a lot of money.
OP posts:
Heartdogs · 06/11/2021 19:54

It was one day. It is not an issue.

HikingforScenery · 06/11/2021 20:35

I would speak to the school about the them not providing the SEN support. Fair enough that the teacher isn’t there and they’ve been sent into different classes. The TAs support was needed in that situation even more.

spanieleyes · 06/11/2021 20:43

We have staff off with Covid, with long Covid and with a dreadful flu that seems to be spreading like wildfire. We tried to get supply cover on Thursday and there were NO primary supply teachers available in the whole county😭
We are having to cover classes with TAs and at one point the office manager sat with a class whilst a teacher popped from one class to the other as there was literally no one else we could use!

lazylinguist · 06/11/2021 23:13

It's one day! And you don't know why the teacher did it. There could have been a good staffing or other reason. If this were a regular occurrence YWNBU, but as a one-off it would be ridiculous to query it imo.

Cosyblankets · 06/11/2021 23:44

It was one day

PeachesPumpkin · 06/11/2021 23:49

I wouldn’t worry. I have 2 children with dyslexia and am very surprised and impressed that you might get an EHCP for dyslexia. Also that your daughter gets the TA she does - you have an amazing school by the sounds of it!

paisley256 · 07/11/2021 02:56

Im another that's impressed by the dyslexia support, 2 of mine are severely dyslexic and the most they get is an extra hour in a group. School sounds very switched on in that respect.

Offmyfence · 07/11/2021 03:41

One day, these things happen.

luluw41 · 07/11/2021 03:45

Your daughters’s TA could well have been redeployed to support another TA who was asked to teach due to teacher absence. As others have said, supply teachers are like gold dust right now. None of this is ideal and pre covid this likely wouldn’t have happened. As with many other aspects of life atm, we have to accept that although it’s not ideal, it is what it is ie under resourced.

rainbowstardrops · 07/11/2021 05:41

Many schools are having an incredibly difficult time right now, largely because of Covid and all its implications.
At my school, we're not allowed to use supply teachers right now because of the virus and so it is highly likely that the teacher and TA had to cover other classes.

It's one day. I really wouldn't talk to the school about it. We've got enough shit going on.

fourminutestosavetheworld · 07/11/2021 06:39

Staffing is very difficult at the moment. At our school, almost every day it seems, we are desperately trying to redeploy staff to cover absences. Supply agencies are no longer reliable in an emergency as they too are suffering with absences.

To me, it sounds as if there was an emergency and the most logical way to plug the gap was to use your child's teacher.

I don't think you'd be unreasonable to ask why this happened and I think it's poor of the school not to have offered an explanation already.

But I'd reserve judgement until you know the facts, so that you don't feel like a dick if a member of staff suffered an unexpected bereavement or something.

All the pp frothing that the teacher went to a wedding - she didn't, her pupils did.

AlbusDumbledore2234 · 07/11/2021 06:45

I personally would leave it if it was a one off, we all had days at school normally round Christmas where we were sat in front of a film all day!

It happens sometimes, no biggie Smile

LeavesOffTheCactus · 07/11/2021 07:06

I’m a teacher and i think what you’ve described is really poor. One day or not. They could have used the day to get to know the children that were there in more depth. I’d definitely be asking why.

fourminutestosavetheworld · 07/11/2021 07:13

"They could have used the day to get to know the children that were there in more depth."

I expect the teacher was redeployed to another class don't you, not enjoying extended PPA.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 07/11/2021 07:16

I wouldn’t raise it, it was a one off!

They probably couldn’t get supply for another full class so thought that was the best option.

Also amazed at 1-1 support without a EHCP

Littlescottiedog · 07/11/2021 07:23

I just want to know why;
a) They decided to split the class
b) Not to offer DD the support she’s supposed to have that day
c) Why the decision was taken to put DD in the class they did – was it randomly assigned or was there logic to it.

Only school can answer these questions! No point asking the Internet.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 07/11/2021 07:25

@LeavesOffTheCactus

I’m a teacher and i think what you’ve described is really poor. One day or not. They could have used the day to get to know the children that were there in more depth. I’d definitely be asking why.
This was my initial thought but, having thought about it for an additional 10 seconds, I agree with all the PPs saying it was probably due to a staff shortage. My school had loads of staff out last week with covid, this awful cold/flu that’s going around or their children being ill/isolating. We’re having to be very creative with cover.
GeorgiaGirl52 · 07/11/2021 07:29

@Userg1234

It was one day not a permanent thing...it's not as though she's about to sit exams
This^ Don't be precious.
CaptainMyCaptain · 07/11/2021 07:34

@GoingForAWalk

Not much the School can do now.

It's sad because I know my DC primary school teachers would have turned into a fun day if activities and made the most of a small group.

Was the teacher invited to the wedding ? That's what I'd want to know and I'd be fuming if she was

A teacher would not get time off for a wedding unless it was a very close relative.
Platax · 07/11/2021 07:42

If you want to know why the school acted this way, ask them. How long ago did you apply for the EHCP? It sounds as if the council has effectively admitted that you meet the criteria as they've already allocated extra funding.

If or when you get an EHCP, make sure that it's spelt out that your daughter needs a trained, dedicated 1:1 assistant during all lesson times, otherwise you'll find the TA getting diverted to support other children. Also get it specified that s/he must be dyslexia trained.

Platax · 07/11/2021 07:44

There's nothing precious about it, @GeorgiaGirl. A severely dyslexic child is likely to be behind her peers already, so every day of education lost is a serious matter. As the TA concerned was in school it should have been a golden opportunity to do so serious work with OP's DD to help her catch up a bit.

RingPiece · 07/11/2021 07:46

Apparently in the morning when the teacher realised so many where off she took them to the hall and they were spread out among the classes in school 2-3 per class. DD and others have said they were given a text book and told to copy down English work and Maths sums and work them out – DD and the two she was in class with says her teacher came in to check on them once in the whole day but they were not set any specific work. They also missed their weekly PE lesson and their day on the schools outdoor play equipment.

It was definitely not the teacher's decision to do this. She would have been instructed by the head. Teacher would have most likely been used to cover another class.

Calmly, go in and enquire but as pps have said, it's just one day.

Platax · 07/11/2021 07:47

Also amazed at 1-1 support without a EHCP

A lot of councils have a High Needs Funding system (or similar) whereby they allocate funds for children who need support without having to go through the EHCP system. From their point of view I suppose it cuts down on the costs of assessing for an EHCP and administering it, and from children's points of view it means that money is made available much more quickly. The trouble is that if they don't do assessments they don't necessarily know whether the money is being used to the best effect. Usually the school has to reapply for it every year.

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