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Is this a bit discriminatory or am I being silly?

109 replies

WheelieBinPrincess · 02/11/2021 14:06

This is such a first world problem, if I sound like a twat I wholeheartedly apologise in advance. I probably will sound like a twat but there’s the disclaimer. I know there are people in the world without electricity, let alone access to wanky art installations.

Got tickets to this interactive Van Gough exhibition thing in London on Friday. I don’t know what it involves, big starry night inspired instillations I guess, whatever. Anyway I booked two tickets when I was pregnant and then realised I’d have an eight week old baby when it came around, but thought oh that’ll be nice I’ll take him along, no problems. Luckily he actually loves being out and about and only kicks off when we are home to be honest so no drama there.

Anyway we are meeting a family friend to go to this exhibition on Friday, I live the other side of London but directly after this thing the baby and I are getting on a train to travel to another part of the country to see my parents. So I won’t be using the carrier (baby actually hates that anyway)

So I was just reading the FAQ’s. It says while the event is suitable for children of all ages, there’s no changing family available, and while it is accessible for wheelchairs, it is not accessible for prams and they won’t be permitted.

Which basically would mean we can’t fucking go. I honestly am not someone who hangs around and lingers looking at art for ages either so no changing facilities isn’t really a huge deal, it’s the fact that I can’t even go in with the baby.

I have emailed them but they just quoted the FAQ at me. I asked about a cloakroom (not to leave the baby in, I’ll carry him) but they’ve just not got back to me and I don’t think they have one, going by the FAQs.

Now I don’t want to spark a bit debate about wheelchairs vs pushchairs. I realise it’s entirely my choice to not only have a child but to push a buggy around and a disabled person does not have the same choices about using a wheelchair. For what it’s worth I always get off the bus for a wheelchair user, and I’m not a dick about it.

The event is in a huge space as well, I’m not saying I’d think it was okay to push the buggy around the John Soane’s. But if a space is accessible to a wheelchair am I right in thinking it’s also accessible for a buggy?! And if so, why can’t I take my buggy in there? Is it like a way of saying babies will ruin the ambiance? But surely small children in general would be capable of doing that?

Also when I booked the tickets it was over if those ‘location revealed at a later date’ hyped up wanky things so I had no way of checking.

I guess I’ll just have to push for a refund but it just seems a bit shit!

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girlmom21 · 02/11/2021 14:36

Just take the baby in the carrier. They'll settle with movement, I'm sure.

WheelieBinPrincess · 02/11/2021 14:38

Yeah I definitely do get the point about there being an issue if there were a load of prams in there, but I’m happy to leave the pram in a cloakroom- if there is one.

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Alpinechalet · 02/11/2021 14:38

There is one big airy room at the end but it is an old commercial building rented for the exhibition rather than a museum or gallery.

BudgeSquare · 02/11/2021 14:42

Yabu for paying 23 quid for those rubbish touristy "exhibition experiences". You could have gone to an actual gallery and seen some real art for a lot less and taken the buggy round with you

WheelieBinPrincess · 02/11/2021 14:43

@BudgeSquare yeah, but I’ve already been to the galleries in London loads having lived here ten years. I fancied something different, it’s meant to be good!

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thevassal · 02/11/2021 14:44

Op I've had a Google and if you search for luggage storage facility it comes up with "stasher" in the next street - basically looks like you pay to use spare short term storage in various places, in this case a Premier Inn. Looks pretty secure and straightforward?

CornishGem1975 · 02/11/2021 14:44

@ComtesseDeSpair

I’ve been to this exhibition. It’s crowded. Many people sit on the floor to “immerse themselves” in the experience. If everyone brought their pram, nobody would be able to move. I saw a couple having an argument with staff about their pram in the entrance lobby. They weren’t being allowed in with it. They’re very unlikely to let you take it in for this reason.
God that sounds hideous enough without the buggy issues.
Justcannotbearsed · 02/11/2021 14:45

There's an app you can download that tells you who does luggage storage near a place you are going to. I've used it loads in London when I've been travelling through with a case and wanted to stop and have a look round. So you can leave your case and pram in a corner shop or somewhere else near the exhibition.

Stasher.com (there's one called Radical but I've not used that).

Carboncheque · 02/11/2021 14:45

Or she could have stayed at home and looked at a picture of Sunflowers and saved even more money …

WheelieBinPrincess · 02/11/2021 14:47

@Justcannotbearsed and @thevassal I had no idea about the Stasher thing and that is really useful to know! Thank you!

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thevassal · 02/11/2021 14:47

@BudgeSquare

Yabu for paying 23 quid for those rubbish touristy "exhibition experiences". You could have gone to an actual gallery and seen some real art for a lot less and taken the buggy round with you
That's told you OP! Yabu miserable for spending your own money on something you find interesting. I hope you don't have the audacity to go out and eat while you're there, you know you could have had toast at home for free?
WheelieBinPrincess · 02/11/2021 14:47

Haha I’m not expecting the exhibition to be groundbreaking or anything. As I said, it was a present for my friend really.

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WheelieBinPrincess · 02/11/2021 14:48

@thevassal I’ll be taking my own instant coffee in a travel cup, definitely Grin

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Carboncheque · 02/11/2021 14:49

Enjoy it! I wasn’t having a go at you, just the joy sucker who had to come on to tell you why you’re Wrong.

WheelieBinPrincess · 02/11/2021 14:50

@Carboncheque I know, I got it Smile

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TataMamma · 02/11/2021 14:50

I wouldn't say that of course it's not discriminatory, it would be indirect sex discrimination against women. Is there anything you can use to argue that carrying your baby would be too hard? eg did you have a difficult delivery or something??? Just trying to help. I suspect if you turned up and wanted to leave the buggy somewhere and made a fuss they'd almost certainly give in, but of course, there is a risk.

Garman · 02/11/2021 14:50

Rent or borrow a better carrier and take him in that. A buggy would be awkward unnecessary faff and in the way for others at it, a wheelchair is a necessity for someone to attend the exhibition. A carrier would be better all round, but not a Baby Bjorn if its not ergonomic and is uncomfortable.

Briony123 · 02/11/2021 14:51

Learning to change the baby's nappy on my lap (on holiday in France where there were never any facilities) was the best thing I ever did.

Moonbabysmum · 02/11/2021 14:51

This might sound blunt but the problem isnt that your baby hates carriers, but the baby bjorn is a terrible sling, and most (not all) of their ones are not designed very well, dont support your baby's hips etc.

I'd suggest going to a sling library where you can get fitted for a much comfortable one. And I'd probably steer clear of front facing (side/hip facing is a great alternative when they are a little bigger) as front facing can be v overwhelming and is generally uncomfortable for you both.

So personally, I'd get a decent sling and not bother with the buggy. Its not discriminating against parents, as babies can be carried, and can be changed in the ladies loos on a portable mat, or even on your lap.

BudgeSquare · 02/11/2021 14:52

@thevassal

That's told you OP! Yabu miserable for spending your own money on something you find interesting. I hope you don't have the audacity to go out and eat while you're there, you know you could have had toast at home for free?

You evidently don't understand the point.

There is a current wave of weird touring exhibitions that have nothing to do with London or art.

It's a relevant point because pretty much all of the galleries in London are baby/child friendly.
This is because they value building ing term relationships with families who live here.

This doesn't. That's why they don't bother to provide facilities or engage with visitors' questions.

WheelieBinPrincess · 02/11/2021 14:52

That’s interesting about the Baby Bjorn. I thought it WAS a decent sling Blush

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Haveyoubrushedyourteethtoday · 02/11/2021 14:53

@WheelieBinPrincess

I mean I don’t think I can just abandon the pram ‘somewhere’ in the middle of shoreditch Confused
Chain it to a bike rack?
EvenRosesHaveThorns · 02/11/2021 14:54

All the art exhibitions I've been to (admittedly pre COVID), there was a crowd around each picture/installation & hard enough for an upright person to navigate, never mind pushing a pram. It would be stressful

BudgeSquare · 02/11/2021 14:54

*long-term relationships, obviously.

Not sure if I should be addressing this to @thevassal or @carboncheque Hmm

The op has no experience of taking babies and kids to arts venues in London. I do. I was trying to explain why this kind of event won't be interested in her complaints about lack of buggy parks and changing tables, while many other actual art venues put a huge effort into providing those facilities.

Miliao · 02/11/2021 14:55

Well my baby loved the baby bjorn. At 8wks they would be facing in anyway, so it shouldn’t be a problem?
I don’t think you can claim sex discrimination as a pp said - pushing a pram isn’t only for women!

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