Penelope jackson guilty of murder

[Thomasina79]

I’ve been following this news item with interest. She is the woman who stabbed her violent and coercive and bullying husband to death after 20 years of torment. She denied murder, but admitted manslaughter.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking the jury should have not found her guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter. Murder carries a life sentence in prison and I cannot see that that there is anything to gain by locking her away.

The BBC is reporting that

David Jackson's estranged daughter Jane Calverley accused the defendant of being the abuser in the relationship and that her father would never have asked for help because he would have been too proud to admit to being bullied and abused by his wife

And this is very common in those admittedly rare cases where a woman is the abuser.

I wonder how people think a murderer would act or appear.

@ssd

Ive reported this thread. Its gone too far.

Good for you I'm sick of the double standard s on here

The cause of women's right is negatively impacted upon when women seek to excuse/minimise the awful actions of some women.

Yes. It's depressing to read so many people tying themselves in knots to convince themselves that this woman couldn't possibly be a cold-blooded murderer. Because she's one of us. She's a woman. It has to have been a man's fault.

It's totally unhelpful, illogical and supremely biased.

@ancientgran

Having walked into my office in a police station to find a man sitting at my desk I said hello and asked if anyone was looking after him. He was a murderer, just in for questioning as a possible witness at the time so no one knew it was him and no interview rooms free so they sat him at my desk. He didn't seem like a murderer, in fact he was very pleasant.

They often are on the surface. I don't think people realise this.

@ssd

Ive reported this thread. Its gone too far.

Why? In what way has it gone too far?

The history will still operate as pretty strong mitigation. It was a majority verdict interestingly.

I thought he held a knife to her throat once?

The judge said he had no doubt her husband was nothing like the person she had claimed. I’m sure he has far more idea than people on here who are jumping to victim blame the poor man just because she’s a woman.

I’ve represented those convicted of murder (and some acquitted). They can of course be totally normal people. There but for the grace of whatever go all of us frankly.

@prh47bridge

She had been abused for a long time, physically and psychologically

Just to repeat, she claimed she had been abused. There was little evidence to support her claims and some evidence that she was the abuser in this marriage. None of us knows the truth about what really went on between her and her husband.

Agree.

I find it very scary how people make up their own narrative and write it as fact in criminal cases.

Only the 12 jurors and others in that courtroom are privy to all details.

What the media decide we should think isn't really of any fact or evidence and it's why I think there should be better laws around how these things can be reported.

So two men who recently killed their wives were found guilty of manslaughter due to their 'depression' and this women who killed an abusive man was found of guilty of murder?

What a fucking joke.

But the sentence - that seems high. Life, serving at least 18 years.

The starting point for this offence would have been 15 years, so the judge has gone up a little from that.

I've not followed this case at all, but just thought I'd point out that the husband is unable to tell about all the time she was violent or aggressive towards him, if she was. Because he's dead.

@Theluggage15

The judge said he had no doubt her husband was nothing like the person she had claimed. I’m sure he has far more idea than people on here who are jumping to victim blame the poor man just because she’s a woman.

The judge is a man then? Typical.

Its gone too far as a poster wrote he deserved everything he got. That was it for me. The man is dead and his murderer has been found guilty by a jury. Thats the matter closed. I'm all for discussion, but to say he deserved all he got went too far for me.

Manslaughter is only a defence if she didnt mean to kill him . She clearly did and evidence suggests that. If he was so dreadful you would expect her to have responded erractialy to a stressful situation thus stating manslaughter. However she meant to kill him. showed no remorse and has been sentenced accordingly.

@KingsleyShacklebolt

I've not followed this case at all, but just thought I'd point out that the husband is unable to tell about all the time she was violent or aggressive towards him, if she was. Because he's dead.

Yes. This is a very important point.

@KingsleyShacklebolt

I've not followed this case at all, but just thought I'd point out that the husband is unable to tell about all the time she was violent or aggressive towards him, if she was. Because he's dead.

Yep and neither are all the women who are strangled to death able to tell whether they agreed to their own murder. Because they're dead.

@theremustonlybeone

Manslaughter is only a defence if she didnt mean to kill him . She clearly did and evidence suggests that. If he was so dreadful you would expect her to have responded erractialy to a stressful situation thus stating manslaughter. However she meant to kill him. showed no remorse and has been sentenced accordingly.

She looks plenty erratic in the video.

I remember when this first came out, there was a statement of sorts made by Penelope that her life would be better now he was gone. Even prison would be better.

I can’t find the clip now. But certainly heard it on the local news.

@ssd

Its gone too far as a poster wrote he deserved everything he got. That was it for me. The man is dead and his murderer has been found guilty by a jury. Thats the matter closed. I'm all for discussion, but to say he deserved all he got went too far for me.

Agree but I hope that that post is deleted only.

As far as discussion goes this thread is quite interesting with regards seeing how others own personal experiences lead them to choose which boys if media reporting they use and translate how they think it happened.

But alongside this there is very valued discussion about courts, facts and evidence etc.

From their daughter

@saraclara

The cause of women's right is negatively impacted upon when women seek to excuse/minimise the awful actions of some women.

Yes. It's depressing to read so many people tying themselves in knots to convince themselves that this woman couldn't possibly be a cold-blooded murderer. Because she's one of us. She's a woman. It has to have been a man's fault.

It's totally unhelpful, illogical and supremely biased.

No, we're just aware of double standards, and have seen men get away with murdering their wives.

Society still expects better from women and punishes them harder. That is a proven fact.

@ssd

The footage of her discussing stabbing him afterwards was awful, really chilling. If this had been a man stabbing a woman no one would question the guilty verdict.

If it was a man stabbing a woman, it wouldn't even be reported. Hundreds of men kill their wives every year and we rarely hear about it.