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To wonder why it takes a GP 7 years to train?

371 replies

Swedes2Turnips1 · 11/12/2007 13:42

When all they seem to do is say 'I will write you a letter of referral' or 'You will have to make an appointment with the practice nurse for that'. What do they actually do these days?

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Swedes2Turnips1 · 12/12/2007 16:01

Most people on this thread defending all GPs (and I agree there are some very very good GPs) are other GPs and others employed within the health service beast.

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thegrowlygus · 12/12/2007 16:24

Not defending anyone. Just suggesting what the conversation may have been at your GPs.

I agree with whoever said that it seems you are complaining about your GP being overly thorough.

Lazycow · 12/12/2007 16:37

Well Ivykaty all I can say is that after 7 months of being fobbed off by his GP we have finally taken my father to a private doctor to see if he can diagniose what is wrong.

My father is 81 years old and speaks poor English, it it obvious that most of his symptoms are being writtien off as old age, depression and anxiety by a very nice and no doubt well qualified but obviously overworked GP.

The fact that my father has never in his life suffered from anxiety or depression and is currently unable to sleep (waking 9+ times a night) or eat seems to have made no impression. His many and increasinglly severe symptoms of dizzyness, breathlessnes and inability to eat or walk have been written off to old age and anxiety etc.

I wouldn't mind if he had at least been offered some sort of psychiatric care for this supposed anxiety disorder.

Instead we have had to watch my father's health deteriorate to an amazing extent with what seems to me absolutely no attempt to find out what is wrong apart from a couple of ECGS.

The ECGs themselves were done by sending my father to A&E and came after a 12 hour wait in one case and a 10 hour wait in another.

Finally in the last two months, my father was referred for a colonoscopy. He waited a month for the test and was told the results would be back in 5 days (by the consultant). 2.5 weeks later the results are still not here and the GP is unable or unwilling to do anything else until the results are through.

We went private in the end in sheer desperation not because we wanted to.

The private doctor we saw suggested we try and chase the results and said ideally we'd wait for those but took some bloods and called the next day with the results also recommended a scan of his stomach etc with a doctor. The scan clinic called the next day and my father was booked in for the test within 2 days.

In an ideal world we would have the colonoscopy results first but tbh we have waited so long to get this far that another 2 months to get the scan results would be impossible to contemplate.

I have never believed in the private health sector either but tbh don't give a f**ng f**k for principles when my fathet is begging me to help him and the GP is unable to come out and all I can offer my father is yet another pointless and frankly very distessing visit (for my father and very frail mother) to A&E

Swedes2Turnips1 · 12/12/2007 16:45

Lazycow - sorry to hear about your poor dad.

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edam · 12/12/2007 16:49

swedes, I think wrt the surgery hours, you'd be better off with Davenport House, up by the station - they have more flexible opening times. It's easy to change surgeries if you wish.

Hope the blood test result comes back OK.

Lazycow · 12/12/2007 16:58

Thanks Swedes, it has quite frankly been a nightmare.

I personally have had quite a lot of experience with GPs and as many have said a good one is worth their weight in gold. I have always been very happy with my GP and the help/advice/treatment I get there.

However the reality is that elderly people in the NHS get a shockingly raw deal and there is no denying that a lot of the administration in the NHS is a nightnare to navigate for someone who is reasonably healthy and well educated.

For my 81 year old father who's English is still quite poor (depite having worked her for 50 years ) and who is very poorly educated it is nigh on impossible.

Swedes2Turnips1 · 12/12/2007 17:00

Edam - thanks.

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macdoodle · 12/12/2007 18:50

Lazy sorry about your father but what exactly did the private dr do that your GP didn't...other than take your money

itscoldtoday · 12/12/2007 19:57

Well your GP who works hours to suit themselves got home tonight at 7pm, just in time to kiss my oldest overtired boy who wanted to wait up to see mummy before going to bed goodnight, then breastfeed my overtired youngest who wouldn't go down without his supper. I haven't eaten since breakfast because I haven't stopped all day. I started at 8am, so saw my kids for half an hour before leaving for work. And before I get accused of trying sob stories again, I chose my career, I knew the hours would be tough. GP is about the family friendliest medicine can get. I had to return to work after kids because a) I can't pay the mortgage otherwise and b) I would be hideously out of date if I took years off and would never get back into it.

Today I have dealt with (among many others) counselling someone on the risk of bleeding on warfarin versus the risk of stroke off it; a teenager with vaginal discharge, terrified of STD; piles; pre-coil counselling; cough and cold; chickenpox; child with mastocytosis with a temp of 40; alcoholic mother of 3 trying to detox; new diagnosis of adenomyosis (like endometriosis); ostgeoarthiritis; more vaginal discharge; new post-menopausal vaginal bleeding - almost certainly cancer of the womb, and the patient knew it; nose bleed; myeloma (a cancer of the bone marrow); a steroid injection of the knee; chest pain; depression; a possible prostate cancer. I have stuck my finger up 3 bottoms, I have speculumed 3 women, I have referred 2 people to hospital, I have ambulanced one person to hospital, I have dealt with all the paperwork of my colleagues as I was the only partner in today, as well as my own. I have had 10 emergency extras (including someone who had had their problem for years, with no recent change, who had seen GPs about it before, and who thought I could magically solve it in a 5 minute emergency appt ), I have done 5 home visits, and I have done 2 overbooked surgeries.

I have taken no blood samples, because I haven't had the bloody time.

I'm not against saturday openings - I found it frustrating when working full time that I couldn't get to a bank when it was open only on weekdays. But evening surgeries I am against because I couldn't do it. I have a family, and they come first - hard though that is for some patients (who still expect us to cycle down at 3am for a home visit in our pyjamas, I kid you not) to accept.

macdoodle · 12/12/2007 20:02

speculumed...is that a real word ;)

JingleBelgoHoHoHo · 12/12/2007 20:03

good post, Itscoldtoday.

macdoodle · 12/12/2007 20:06

oh and FWIW I spent today my 3rd day of maternity leave at 38 weeks...in my surgery doing paperwork which I had not had time to do before including 2 coroners reports, a number of occupational health reports, and checking and managing a pile of abnormal results which I had been following up - I spent 4 hours of my own time in work making sure I hadn't missed anything or let any patients down when I should have had my feet up getting ready for my new arrival....but then hey ho I earn a fortune and my practice is set up just for my convenience so what do I know

mylittlepudding · 12/12/2007 20:06

And this is family friendly medicine...

wrinklytum · 12/12/2007 20:07

Have a large glass of wine/nice soak in the bath sounds like you deserve one

Keep up the good and valuable work.

PMSL at "speculumed" is that really an official medical term??

NorthernLurkerwithastarontop · 12/12/2007 20:08

Itscoldtoday - good post - and a good day's work - even though you are drained and knackered your patients would - or at least should - be very glad you were there

SlubbersRingAreYouListening · 12/12/2007 20:08

My DH, who also is working for the convienience of himself rather than his patients is still at a Child Protection Training session (Compulsory - quite right too but from 7pm until 9pm ....musn't do essential training in work hours etc etc)

Lazycow, sorry to hear about your Dad

NorthernLurkerwithastarontop · 12/12/2007 20:09

macdoodle - PUT THOSE FEET UP All the best for the new baby - first, second, fifth, eighth??

Jeepers · 12/12/2007 20:11

Swede do you work/ spin for the government?

itscoldtoday · 12/12/2007 20:12

I was already halfway through a G&T when I posted ! I wondered in passing if speculummed was a real word, but you know us docs, we do like making ourselves look important by using big long words!

Sadly I also got home to a dh with man flu

Poohbah · 12/12/2007 20:13

Stirling work today!!! You are a good un.

But there are those out there who treat people like crap, never refer people appropriately and spend the rest of their time talking about Yachts!

Tamum · 12/12/2007 20:13

There was something unexpectedly riveting about that list, itscoldtoday. Perhaps you could have your own thread where you update us every day (cos you've got nothing else to do when you get home, of course )

macdoodle · 12/12/2007 20:14

Northern No 2 very long saga - DD is 6 - tried for no 2 for years...then marriage hit the rocks..H had affair got OW pregnant....and somehow got me pregnant as well in the midst of a confused attempted reconciliation...Ow baby was born in July ...H and I seperated...so am working single mum of soon to be 2 gorgeous girls
But fate wanted me to have this LO and she is very dearly wanted and cherished

itscoldtoday · 12/12/2007 20:14

Ooh I could have a blog, like cod!

Tamum · 12/12/2007 20:16

Ooh yes, go on. I'd read it . I am clearly a bit of a saddo though...

itscoldtoday · 12/12/2007 20:16

Crumbs, macdoodle .