AIBU or are teenage girls too afraid to go out at night? Afraid because of drink spiking and being injected.

[Metropolismoon]

Dd is in her first year at Reading Uni. 7 girls have recently been injected at the students union and she has a friend at another uni who had her drink spiked.

She is now afraid to go out at night and she and her friends have kitchen parties instead.

I think it’s really sad that they are having to stay home as it’s considered too unsafe to go out at night.

dd is at york. she said all the females she knows of (inc herself) have boycotted clubs

It's an interesting tale. I have no medical expertise and my child is much too young for this kind of thing but I am not convinced it is happening in the way social media is portraying it and I'm very inclined to be swayed by the issues around injecting mentioned here and in the other thread.

However, I do find it extremely interesting how prepared women are to believe that there are many, many men who would be very happy to plan something like this in advance so that they could take advantage of an incapacited woman, and personally, I can well believe it too. There is something very, very wrong with a lot of men.

I feel very sad about all these incidents,.

I had such a fun time going out in the 90's, dressed up, drinking, dancing, it was a very liberating time for me and I hate that things are going backwards if anything, although having to keep safe was on my mind a lot even back then.

I would still encourage my girls to go out though, with the same type of precautions I used to use: look after each other, don't leave anyone on their own, don't take a drink off anyone, don't leave drinks unattended.

The plain fact is that young women are very vulnerable to attack- but not just in clubs, but on dates with supposedly 'nice' young men, house parties, anywhere they are alone with men, even sadly in some of their own homes from family members or friends, sports clubs and so forth, flashed on public transport. I sadly know people abused or attacked or harassed in all of these situations, and less so from nightclubs actually, so there's no miracle 'safe place' for women.

I'm not going to advise my girls to withdraw from the world on this basis, even though being out in it IS more risky.

I haven’t had a chance to read all of these posts as I’m in work today, but I’m so glad we’re all talking about this now. It needs to be highlighted.

I agree living your life in fear is not the way .

Some of my most dangerous situation as a uni teen was at house parties. I vaguely remember (well told about later) where a 'friend' had dragged me onto his lap, I was very drunk and he had his hands under my clothes. Another male friend of his came along and took me off his knee, gave his friend a few harsh words (guy who's lap I was in was sober) and then tucked me up on the sofa under a blanket and sat next to me for the rest of night. I'm incredibly grateful and realise what stupid situations I put myself in

@Metropolismoon

Dd is in her first year at Reading Uni. 7 girls have recently been injected at the students union and she has a friend at another uni who had her drink spiked.

She is now afraid to go out at night and she and her friends have kitchen parties instead.

I think it’s really sad that they are having to stay home as it’s considered too unsafe to go out at night.

As you've named the University, they will now be investigating this.

I’m glad this is now being investigated but slightly taken aback that it wasn’t under investigation already.
I hope that students are aware of how to report these incidents and are encouraged to.

@Lockheart

Drink spiking is unfortunately all too common.

The "injection spiking" phenomenon which has exploded out of nowhere in the last fortnight is just another rehash of an urban legend as old as the hills.

There is a substantial thread in Feminism Chat with detailed posts about why spiking by injection simply isn't possible.

It is much more likely a fear campaign.

Tell that to my friends dd who is waiting for the results of an HIV test after getting spiked by injection in a club a week ago. It's real, it's happening and it's terrifying.

I don’t think there would be so many girls at uni staying home in the evenings if this wasn’t actually happening. They all have friends in other universities and are aware of incidents at these institutions too.
I saw some recent pics of my son on a night out with his uni friends and none of the girls who they are friends with were out with them. Very sad if this is the reason.

They all know about drink spiking already. They’ve been going out to clubs and pubs since they turned 18 knowing the risks about drink spiking yet still going out.
It’s the injecting incidents that have taken things to another level.

It's real and it's happening. I met with my neice last night who's just started at Uni. She personally knows several female students who have had their drink spiked and one who was injected. Last night actoss her uni town there was a boycott the clubs night.

While I know the injection attack sounds unlikely I believe it's happening. In a crowded bar or club women are easy targets.

My neice says her and her friends drink shots at the bar straight after they're poured, in order to avoid spiking. I think things are worse now than when I was her age. It is really awful.

It’s become personal to all of them. My daughter was very upset and worried to hear about one of her dearest lifelong friends being spiked at her university. These are usually hardworking confident girls.
They have all been so proud of each other and full of hope, and excitement about going off to uni after the difficult year they’ve had already. It’s terrible that they have to put up with this.

These are serious criminal offences with up to 10 years in jail. What is happening to investigate them??

This just pisses me off so much. Do they have CCTV in the clubs? If so, are the police actually investigating who did it?

A bouncer friend explained that drug companies have put a dye into date rape drugs so that they show up when added to a drink. He believes that this is why the bastard men have now resorted to needles.

There is a girls' night in to protest about this, asking for harsher penalties and more protection for women (and some men) from these types of threat.

Just fucking awful.

And these injection stories are just ridiculous. Why and how would you sneak a hypodermic needle into a club and jab someone with it? You'd be much more likely to be caught, charged with carrying a weapon, could potentially hurt yourself and would have to somehow discreetly prepare the needle.

A 1ml syringe is not of monstrous size; it would be easy to preload with ketamine, etc, recap it, and slip into a club with it/several prefilled syringes in a coat pocket. A quick shove in a crowd, a tiny prick in the thigh, and press the plunger - done in an instant.

Given police are investigating multiple cases, and taking it seriously, I don't see why there is so much disbelief that it could ever happen.

@ablutiions

A bouncer friend explained that drug companies have put a dye into date rape drugs so that they show up when added to a drink. He believes that this is why the bastard men have now resorted to needles.

There is a girls' night in to protest about this, asking for harsher penalties and more protection for women (and some men) from these types of threat.

Just fucking awful.

I'm sorry but this isn't true and is just another anecdotal fear stoker that we shouldn't be circulating. Its propagating very unlikely risks and creating environments that women are shunning.

Drug companies don't make date rape drugs- the most commonly used are GHB/GBL- these have caused numerous deaths amongst women and men who've been poisoned by overdosing. They are cheap and fairly easy to access on the internet. Some forms are sold as plant food or cleaning fluids. They have a soapy or salty taste that can be masked in strong booze. Administered in the correct dose they reduce inhibitions and reduce resistance- so they are deffo a danger.

But they can't be injected. Most drugs that would cause the kind of symptoms reported- rapid loss of conciousness etc would be intravenous- and that would be incredibly hard to do without some compliance and awareness. It can be hard to find a vein in the GP surgery with a tourniquet etc etc.

Something intramuscular like Ketamine would certainly incapacitate someone at a high enough dose- but you'd know if someone injected you even in a crowded place.

Spiking is much more likely to be adding extra shots of booze to long drinks- a cocktail could have five measures- add a couple more and that could cause serious damage very quickly.

And metal detectors etc wouldn't find either needles or bottles of GBH. Women are more likely to be injured by broken glass- the weapon of choice in clubs

@milkyaqua

And these injection stories are just ridiculous. Why and how would you sneak a hypodermic needle into a club and jab someone with it? You'd be much more likely to be caught, charged with carrying a weapon, could potentially hurt yourself and would have to somehow discreetly prepare the needle.

A 1ml syringe is not of monstrous size; it would be easy to preload with ketamine, etc, recap it, and slip into a club with it/several prefilled syringes in a coat pocket. A quick shove in a crowd, a tiny prick in the thigh, and press the plunger - done in an instant.

Given police are investigating multiple cases, and taking it seriously, I don't see why there is so much disbelief that it could ever happen.

What are they being injected with? If giving an injection IM the needle tends to be a lot larger than giving an insulin injection for example I'm not dismissing it out of hand ,but it seems a very innacurate way of spiking someone ,if you are not trained in giving injections ,and giving through clothes ,the chances are the person wouldn't receive much medication ,i would have thought putting something in someone's drink would be far more successful way of drugging someone .

Why are the police investigating in jection stories then?

Anyone doubting the injection stories would be welcome to message me for a photo of my DDs bottom.
Red hole with a massive bruise around it

Drug companies don't make date rape drugs

They do make Rohypnol, however, a commonly used date rape drug.

@Mydogisagentleman

Anyone doubting the injection stories would be welcome to message me for a photo of my DDs bottom. Red hole with a massive bruise around it

It's the logistics I'm doubting ,I would more inclined to believe ,that maybe there's some awful craze that people are being jabbed with needles to distract them ,ehilst their drink is spiked tbh

I would more inclined to believe ,that maybe there's some awful craze that people are being jabbed with needles to distract them ,whilst their drink is spiked tbh

That thought had occurred to me.

I have just got off the phone to DD who said that the nightclub boycott in Nottingham didn't happen. One of her friends is from Nottingham and said that Wednesday evening was the busiest he had seen it. The Newcastle boycott was last night, and DD said that there was hardly anyone using the metro to go out yesterady evening - usually there are loads of people.

If giving an injection IM the needle tends to be a lot larger than giving an insulin injection for example I'm not dismissing it out of hand ,but it seems a very innacurate way of spiking someone ,if you are not trained in giving injections ,and giving through clothes ,the chances are the person wouldn't receive much medication

Have you had a covid vaccine? Intramuscular, and a1ml syringe was used for mine. It's not the most invasive prick, and you are forewarned then.

They're girls and women and the odd man having a drink and a dance in clubs and pubs, not wearing thick tweed overcoats. As I said, a 1ml syringe is slim and would do the job.

You hardly need 'training' - how would generations of junkies get by, if that were the case, and finding a vein requires a lot more skill than this.