So if the Minimum Wage increases...

[missbunnyrabbit]

My own wage in a public sector job seems lower than ever. The article I read suggests the public sector pay freezes will end, but I doubt we'll get such a large pay rise!

Aibu to feel like packing my teacher job in to go and work a minimum wage job instead?

I’d love to know how many people get the benefit of this. Like other have said unless you are 25y old living in mum spare room and will actually see the extra cash. Anyone else who has rent own place or support a family will need UC, their wage will go up UC will go down = no better off at all.

@LittleBearPad

Actually I'm nearly 27, went to uni late and am three years into teaching.

Im actually sat here reading this with my boyfriend, we can't believe how deluded some of you are.

Are you saying that it would be OK for doctors and amazon workers to earn similar amounts? After all, they both work hard?

@missbunnyrabbit

Oh bore off. I have a degree, by the way, from a Russell Group university at a high 2:1. So I’m not just some uneducated pleb who sits on their arse at a till all day staring out the window.

And no, lovely, you didn’t do all those jobs. Nor did the 16-18 year olds. I can’t imagine any store that would allow a 16 year old to run a shift and lead the CEO around of the company with a detailed breakdown and presentation of every figure in the store for the last year, strategies for the year ahead and so on.

You weren’t even a supervisor so I don’t know where this “I did do that” attitude has came from. You didn’t do it. You have no idea. Plenty of customer advisors show real promise and go above and beyond in their work. They’re a prize jewel. You weren’t one of them, because if you did show that level of ability, you would have had more responsibility and you’d understand the pressures.

You really do need to grow up. You sound utterly pathetic.

Of course they should earn enough to live, no one is disputing that. Please don't make things up.

Literally your whole thread is about how people in "low skill" jobs shouldn't be paid as much as people in professional jobs and that this NMW increase will put their wages too close to some professional wages.

I think you need to grow up and realise some jobs simply to have less responsibility and require less training than others

I think you need to grow up and realise that some of these jobs that have 'less responsibility and require less training' are incredibly important jobs.

If we suddenly had no teachers, the impact on society would not be as profound as the impact of suddenly having nobody supplying food.

How quickly people forget how much we appreciated these low paid but key workers during lockdown.

[quote Toomanyradishes]@missbunnyrabbit

People on nmw do not earn enough to live, unless there is a higher earner in the house the majority claim UC

You dont think nmw should go up, you literally are disputing that everyone should earn enough to live[/quote]
Where have I said that nmw shouldn't go up? Please show me.

I'm saying that everyone's wages should go up equally!

I'm saying that everyone's wages should go up equally!

Fingers crossed you get a 59p per hour pay rise soon.

I'm saying that everyone's wages should go up equally!

Then lobby your employer for a pay rise, get your trade union involved. Legally your employer has an obligation to pay you at least NMW, anything above this is discretionary so push them to pay more.

Here we are, lower wage people , as in less then £10 pH once you look at hours worked, arguing among ourselves when the real high earners float around staying out of it. I wonder why?

Shameful.

@missbunnyrabbit - so you went into teaching as an adult not a teenager. It has never been well paid, but it’s certainly not minimum wage. If you don’t want to do it then quit and let your students be taught by someone who wants to be there.

[quote missbunnyrabbit]@LittleBearPad

Actually I'm nearly 27, went to uni late and am three years into teaching.

Im actually sat here reading this with my boyfriend, we can't believe how deluded some of you are.

Are you saying that it would be OK for doctors and amazon workers to earn similar amounts? After all, they both work hard?[/quote]
Ah, there it is. You’re 26 and acting like you know everything in the world because you’ve been a teacher for… 3 years. 3 years.

Your boyfriend probably doesn’t want to disagree with you because he’ll never hear the end of it tonight.

I don't think anyone is saying Doctors and Amazon workers should be earning similar amounts are they? You're making stuff up now.

Op- you are coming across as really quite arrogant and immature. I earn more than a teacher, and have a stressful (at times) job also in the education sector. Could my staff on minimum wage do my job- many of them probably couldn’t because of the skills, education and experience needed. However- I also know that in terms of over all job satisfaction and life standards mine is much higher and I in no way equate what I should earn based on what they do. Many of those on minimum wage jobs have a pretty rubbish time and significantly reduced life expectancy as a direct result of living in poverty and doing manual/ physical work. That alone should compensate for the fact they haven’t had the privilege of a university education! Show some compassion and stop playing the victim. Nothing grates me more than teachers who complain about a career they chose.

There are plenty of people in supervisory and even management roles who will now be on NMW with the rise, so surely they need increases too.

And then those managers who are only just above the new NMW will need an increase to make their additional responsibilities worthwhile.

@Notashandyta

Ex teacher here.

I'm pretty sure that you don't resent the minimum wage increase, you just want a fair wage yourself. If you worked out how much teachers actually get paid 'per hour', it would be far, far less than the minimum wage.

I just don’t understand this. Most of the teachers round here work extra hours for the 11+, GCSEs and A levels. My daughters A level economic teacher charges £60 an hour for private a levels tutoring. I doubt anyone on minimum wage has the energy to work extra hours and it certainly will not be at tutoring rate.

[quote missbunnyrabbit]@LittleBearPad

Actually I'm nearly 27, went to uni late and am three years into teaching.

Im actually sat here reading this with my boyfriend, we can't believe how deluded some of you are.

Are you saying that it would be OK for doctors and amazon workers to earn similar amounts? After all, they both work hard?[/quote]
Please tell me you don’t teach maths.

You genuinely think Doctors and Amazons workers earn the same amount? They have the same benefits? Job security?

At least I suppose there’s likely some comparison in unsociable hours for a doctor - though not a teacher.

Hope you enjoy your half term break…

[quote PizzaCrust]@missbunnyrabbit

Oh bore off. I have a degree, by the way, from a Russell Group university at a high 2:1. So I’m not just some uneducated pleb who sits on their arse at a till all day staring out the window.

And no, lovely, you didn’t do all those jobs. Nor did the 16-18 year olds. I can’t imagine any store that would allow a 16 year old to run a shift and lead the CEO around of the company with a detailed breakdown and presentation of every figure in the store for the last year, strategies for the year ahead and so on.

You weren’t even a supervisor so I don’t know where this “I did do that” attitude has came from. You didn’t do it. You have no idea. Plenty of customer advisors show real promise and go above and beyond in their work. They’re a prize jewel. You weren’t one of them, because if you did show that level of ability, you would have had more responsibility and you’d understand the pressures.

You really do need to grow up. You sound utterly pathetic.[/quote]
Great, good for you, hun. Can you at least read my posts properly? I said I did plenty of those jobs, not all of them. And so did the younger workers. How are you ignorant about this if you worked in a store?
Also, if you were on nmw, I very highly doubt you were leading a ceo around and giving detailed presentations. The real nmw workers are the ones on the tills, the ones in the warehouse, etc etc. Not leading a ceo around.

Just because I clearly had a different experience to you, does NOT mean I have 'no idea'.

Are you able to have a discussion without insults?

@WinoAnon

I can't speak from the perspective of a business owner but I've never understood how someone else getting a fair wage should make any difference to someone already getting more.

Increasing minimum wage is always a good thing. It's just a shame that alongside increasing NI, and already increasing food/utility/food and rent costs this raise in NMW will be absolutely negligible for most.

It makes all the difference to the people who are the one small step up from the minimum wage. They find that the small gap between the two has been eaten away so much there's only a few pence in it, yet they get no increase at all, despite being more experienced and with more responsibility.

If you’re dishing out money by how much responsibility people have then me and my staff will be quids in.

Teachers always think they are hard done by, my early years staff and myself work just as hard with as much responsibility, as do lots of other caring roles.

I just need a fair rate of funding to pay for it.

@missbunnyrabbit

My own wage in a public sector job seems lower than ever. The article I read suggests the public sector pay freezes will end, but I doubt we'll get such a large pay rise!

Aibu to feel like packing my teacher job in to go and work a minimum wage job instead?

Teachers did get a pay rise last year of 2.75% and new starting salary of 5%. There's nothing stopping you jacking teaching in and taking a 18k a year job for 25 days holiday a year... are you going to? Thought not.

@Ilovegreentomatoes

If a business can not pay a decent wage then they are not a viable business anyway so probably should shut. Everyone deserves a decent wage and has a right to earn enough to live if they are going out to work. The problem in this country is the wealth divide and this needs to be addressed. To many fat cats getting paid far to much for doing very little.

You've got things backwards. Labour is worth what it's worth, and if that doesn't pay the rent, then landlords lower rents until their properties aren't empty. (Having said that, the minimum wage, though theoretically harmful, doesn't seem to have caused huge problems since it was introduced. But admittedly I haven't looked closely, and I'm forgetting that the reason that overriding market forces is generally a bad is that it causes damage in ways that aren't easily seen.)

@Kimjonghealthy

I'm a nurse and I also think like what's the point.

Get spat at for slightly more than minimum wage. Had someone pull my hair the other day.

Minimum wage job in a shop or something might be better. Which is sad because I've worked hard for my crap degree for my crap job 🙃👍

I have had a similar week and get paid £8.94 an hour. Today I have been bitten and had urine thrown at me. I do get a better weekend rate.

My sector (social care) is in crisis, if they dont increase wages then the whole sector will implode.

@LittleBearPad

Oh my goodness, please read posts before replying. I said 'would it be OK IF' they earned the same amount.
It clearly wouldn't be because the training of a doctor's job far surpasses the job of an Amazon worker.

Also, if you were on nmw, I very highly doubt you were leading a ceo around and giving detailed presentations. The real nmw workers are the ones on the tills, the ones in the warehouse, etc etc. Not leading a ceo around

Um... @PizzaCrust said supervisors and local managers were responsible for showing CEOs and higher management around as well as preparing reports, which is true in retail, and you said that when you worked in retail that the jobs she listed were jobs for 16-18 year olds.

You've got things backwards. Labour is worth what it's worth, and if that doesn't pay the rent, then landlords lower rents until their properties aren't empty.

No they don’t because housing benefit covers some and generally there aren’t enough properties in much of the country. So people are stuck