So if the Minimum Wage increases...

[missbunnyrabbit]

My own wage in a public sector job seems lower than ever. The article I read suggests the public sector pay freezes will end, but I doubt we'll get such a large pay rise!

Aibu to feel like packing my teacher job in to go and work a minimum wage job instead?

@missbunnyrabbit

A few points to mention ... I have done a couple of minimum wage jobs, as have people I know, and they are easy compared to a lot of professional jobs.

Jobs should be paid by how hard they are, how much responsibilty there is, and also how much training and education is needed.

If there were no job hierarchy, I think far fewer people would bother going into professional jobs. Why stress yourself out and be drowning in responsibility if you are not getting paid well (comparatively) for it?

If someone is doing a job that requires significant education and training (eg. A degree) plus responsibility, then they should be paid well for it.

This is not to say that I disagree with a minimum wage rise in itself, but other professionals should receive an equivalent pay rise.

Did you have a Saturday job? One in university holidays?

I’m saying this because you sound very immature. I imagine you’re 2/3 years into teaching?

I'm a nurse and I also think like what's the point.

Get spat at for slightly more than minimum wage. Had someone pull my hair the other day.

Minimum wage job in a shop or something might be better. Which is sad because I've worked hard for my crap degree for my crap job 🙃👍

- ensuring stock loss is kept to a minimum

Don't forget to add to this that losses can be deducted from staff wages. Your till is wrong? That'll come from your pay. Too much stock is getting binned/written off? That'll come out of your pay too. Been hit by shoplifters and lost a load of stock? Guess what you're paying for from your wages...

Aibu to feel like packing my teacher job in to go and work a minimum wage job instead?

Yes as I think in most examples you would still be better off financially.

@PizzaCrust

This is hilarious. Working in retail is just so easy, isn’t it?

Even as a customer advisor, on full time hours a lot more would be expected of you than to simply clock in, do the bare minimum, and clock out. I swear people have completely lost the grasp of how much work it actually takes to run a shop.

It isn’t just serving customers at tills and “shelf stacking”. It’s constantly-

• date checking every item in store. For the fresh department, this is every single day. Reducing items to clear on a schedule across all ambient, frozen and fresh lines
• preparing for deliveries, packing out stock, merchandising stock, facing off the shop constantly
• health and safety protocols and records (temperatures of all fridges/freezers taken multiple times a day, floor checks to list a few)
• cash handling and ensuring till losses are kept to a minimum
• handling deliveries of higher value items (cigarettes especially)
• ensuring stock loss is kept to a minimum
• numerous KPIs and budget targets set by head office which change all the time and need to be exceeded unless you want upper management in your shop every week giving you a hard time
• preparing for the future. Christmas stock arrives into stores in August. Easter stock will arrive in January. It doesn’t just magically appear a week before the holidays.

And if you have any sort of management responsibility, then you’ll have paperwork to complete daily, orders to do for the shop, gap checks to complete daily (and yes, you have to investigate every single gap in store), checking cameras for stock loss prevention purposes, invoicing, promotion ordering and preparation, CEO visits to prepare for where everything has to be absolutely perfect, dealings with every single head office department (eg HR, payroll, finance etc), recruiting staff, training staff, ensuring wastage of OOD goods has been recorded properly, stocktake where every single item in store has to be counted and recorded, the list goes on.

People absolutely love to act like working in a shop is a doss. It might be for some who won’t last very long, but for most of us, it’s hard work with just as many pressures and deadlines as other jobs. Oh, and you also have to deal with the general public (remember toilet roll gate) and working unsocialable hours. 6am starts? Working until 12pm? How about an overnight shift?

Grow up.

Sorry, didn't realise you needed a degree to be able to do those things! I worked for 5 years in retail and did plenty of those myself. We had 16-18 year old doing those jobs. Are you for real?

I think you need to grow up and realise some jobs simply to have less responsibility and require less training than others.

I think people would definitely still do those professional jobs. Especially in this country. The first thing anyone asks when they meet someone new is "what do you do? “
People will always strive for status.

It's a pointless idea, but it's done to help make sure the gullible keep voting tory. This increase means nothing, and with the increases in national insurance next plus any further increases in bills, people will still probably be broke or even more broke.

yep

I think you need to grow up and realise some jobs simply to have less responsibility and require less training than others

So what if they do? They staff doing those jobs should still be paid enough to live on rather the current system of subsistence wages topped up by benefits.

I think you need to grow up and realise some jobs simply to have less responsibility and require less training than others.

Well you’re just a treat aren’t you OP.

@kimjonghealthy ive been spat at multiple times when i worked in retail, ive been slammed into a wall, had people screaming in my face and been pushed across the room. This was at an opticians too, not somewhere you expect violence. Ive worked in a variety of retail, admin and call center places. Ive been called every name under the sun, had men phoning up to wank down the phone at us etc

I now earn over twice as much and have lower work ouput expectations and lower stress

Also plenty of people in retail have degrees too

Don't get me wrong, I think minimum wage should be increased. I just don't think nursing is worth it. People's lives on the line, chronic understaffing, being assaulted. A higher wage would soften the blow slightly. But even then, it's not worth it

@missbunnyrabbit

A few points to mention ... I have done a couple of minimum wage jobs, as have people I know, and they are easy compared to a lot of professional jobs.

Jobs should be paid by how hard they are, how much responsibilty there is, and also how much training and education is needed.

If there were no job hierarchy, I think far fewer people would bother going into professional jobs. Why stress yourself out and be drowning in responsibility if you are not getting paid well (comparatively) for it?

If someone is doing a job that requires significant education and training (eg. A degree) plus responsibility, then they should be paid well for it.

This is not to say that I disagree with a minimum wage rise in itself, but other professionals should receive an equivalent pay rise.

By your logic carers should be getting paid a lot more than you are . I have sat and held hands with people in care homes when they were dying as no family could in . It’s piss easy is it ?But sure get a minimum wage job . Give up your summer off. Your Christmas holidays too.

I got a 2% pay rise this year. For what should have been an extra £38 per month I am better off around £4 a month due to tax/ni/student finance and the UC taper rate.
It will be interesting to see how much the NMW increase actually benefits anybody but the government

@BrilloPaddy

As a small business owner, I'm all ears as to where this 6.6% is going to come from. And how I then deal with my more skilled staff who are also going to want the same increase.

Don’t worry. I work for a huge company and we average 1% increase Thé gap gets ever smaller I appreciate that people need money to live but a skilled worker in an average job isn’t THAT much better off

[quote Toomanyradishes]@kimjonghealthy ive been spat at multiple times when i worked in retail, ive been slammed into a wall, had people screaming in my face and been pushed across the room. This was at an opticians too, not somewhere you expect violence. Ive worked in a variety of retail, admin and call center places. Ive been called every name under the sun, had men phoning up to wank down the phone at us etc

I now earn over twice as much and have lower work ouput expectations and lower stress

Also plenty of people in retail have degrees too[/quote]
Jesus that's terrible. I guess just working with the public full stop is awful.

@LittleBearPad

I worked for 3 years in minimum wage jobs before uni, then continued through uni with one. So actually that makes 6 years working three different minimum wage jobs, think I said 5 previously.

Not sure what that has to do with anything?
I did heavy lifting, handled high value items, was under pressure from supervisors, run off my feet constantly etc etc. I am no stranger to it. Love how everyone assumes that. I can first hand say that my professional job now is a million times harder, more stressfully and exhausting, and I think I actually get paid less than minimum wage if you added up the hours I work at home.

@kimjonghealthy yep we often joked retail would be easy if it wasnt for the public, I bet nursing would be a lot nicer too!

@Clocktopus

I think you need to grow up and realise some jobs simply to have less responsibility and require less training than others

So what if they do? They staff doing those jobs should still be paid enough to live on rather the current system of subsistence wages topped up by benefits.

Of course they should earn enough to live, no one is disputing that. Please don't make things up.

[quote missbunnyrabbit]@LittleBearPad

I worked for 3 years in minimum wage jobs before uni, then continued through uni with one. So actually that makes 6 years working three different minimum wage jobs, think I said 5 previously.

Not sure what that has to do with anything?
I did heavy lifting, handled high value items, was under pressure from supervisors, run off my feet constantly etc etc. I am no stranger to it. Love how everyone assumes that. I can first hand say that my professional job now is a million times harder, more stressfully and exhausting, and I think I actually get paid less than minimum wage if you added up the hours I work at home.[/quote]
So you’re 23/24 max?

This makes sense

In 10 years time you’ll be about this.

[quote Toomanyradishes]@kimjonghealthy yep we often joked retail would be easy if it wasnt for the public, I bet nursing would be a lot nicer too![/quote]
Yeah genuinely.

People are just unbelievable sometimes. And the threat of being sued ever present 👍🙃

To be fair I worked in a shop before I was a nurse and people were awful there too. The sense of entitlement is insane

Sounds like you have made your mind up OP good luck with the job hunt.

@KateF

The early years sector is in crisis. The government will not invest in early years and funded places are bankrupting providers especially in poorer areas where more 2 year olds are funded Schools are getting financial support for Covid recovery, early years settings are not. I'm a senior practitioner, a graduate studying for a Masters and with SEND qualifications. I earn £9.31/hour, work 42 hours a week and can't afford to turn the heating on. I am single but have my teenage DD half the week. So no maintenance or UC. My finances are on a knife edge. When I see people complaining about high staff turnover in their nursery this is why. Promising young practitioners can earn more cleaning.

The amount qualified early years workers earn is criminal. It really is.

Of course they should earn enough to live, no one is disputing that. Please don't make things up.

But they don’t earn enough to live. This increase won’t mean enough to live to lots of people on MW.

By increasing minimum wage the government will have to pay less top ups in benefits. Businesses should pay their staff, and not rely on government hand outs to low paid worker's. If a person works full time they deserve the dignity of being paid enough to live on.

@missbunnyrabbit

People on nmw do not earn enough to live, unless there is a higher earner in the house the majority claim UC

You dont think nmw should go up, you literally are disputing that everyone should earn enough to live