To ask that people state age not school year when talking generally about children?

[clockover]

Please?

It would make things much easier for those of us who don't instantly know what Y4 etc is. I know how to convert it but I just think on a thread where it's not school related, but definitely age related, giving the child's age would be more appropriate.

Quite rightly GraceLace got her arse served on a plate for coming over all English on a UK site

[quote stingofthebutterfly]@SylvanasWindrunner which is exactly what people can do if they don't know the equivalent of year 7 is and it is bothering them enough to matter to them. Takes seconds.[/quote]
But it's general good manners when posting somewhere with a diverse user base to make it easy for people to understand.

It doesn't bother me, I won't waste time searching for stuff, I'll just move on to another thread. But if people are posting asking for advice or help then don't make people responding do more work than they have to 🤷‍♀️

More and more people home educate. We attend music school, which has its own year system. My friend has asked to hold back her August-born by a year. School years shouldn't define you.

Yes because Scottish school years are different

However sometimes it’s the school year you need re homework or whatever so it depends

@stingofthebutterfly
No, what age

Anyway. I googled. You’re thinking yr 11 is age 15, turning 16.

S4 at this time of year could be (rarely) just turned 16, lots of 15s and also could be 14s who don’t turn 15 until next February. So it’s not a massive issue, but there is a difference.

It means that the age of starting senior school can be different, which is relevant too. If you have an 11 yr old yr7 compared to an eleven yr old P7, one is in senior school and one in primary.

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

Yes because Scottish school years are different

However sometimes it’s the school year you need re homework or whatever so it depends

I was asking about when it's not school related.

you can ask
but people will use what is more convenient for them

I always smile when people misuse the shorthand for age and type "DD22" instead of "DD (22)".
I mean unless you have 22 daughters and you are talking about the youngest one...🤣

I've had my fair share of people being confused when I was correctly saying something like "DC6 is about to start nursery" because they thought the 6 meant age.
No, people, the number after DS, DD, DC means which number of child.
so DD4 is 4th daughter, DC3 is 3rd child etc.

Honestly, it's all explained in the abbreviations/acronyms section yet people don't always use it correctly.
So based on that I think that getting them to refer to age instead school year because it's more convenient for you has roughly a snowball's chance in hell.

I often refer to year 7 or year 12 or whatever. It feels less exposing and slightly less outing.

I don't want to type what age my children are all the time. If feels too revealing. Yes I know people will know when I mention school year but if just feels a bit more hidden.

So based on that I think that getting them to refer to age instead school year because it's more convenient for you has roughly a snowball's chance in hell.

Oh. Right. Ok then.

It's even more confusing if you grew up reading Enid Blyton and the O'Sullivan twins were in the 1st Form despite being age 14 going on 15

I always have to translate for my mum.

I can cope with English primary ages but don't have a clue when it comes to high schools- need to learn soon as my DD is Y5 ha ha.

Y4 is P5 in Scotland.

My DD is y5 but many would automatically assume she was Y6 because of her current age.

She would be P6 in Scotland.

Some of her classmates are 6 + months younger.

They are Y5 but would be P5 in Scotland.

And I think she may actually have an extra year in English schools? Really need to work that one out.

@SachaStark2

I can’t get excited about people using year groups, instead of ages. It doesn’t take long to work out that Year 1 is 5-6, and Year 13 is 17-18.

Presumably most of us here went through this school system ourselves, if raised in England or Wales, and the Scottish system isn’t massively different, either. Surely we all remember what the school years mean from when we went to school ourselves?!

I am in the U.K., have children who went through the school system, but the school years mean completely different things compared to when I was at school - a normal state comprehensive. Eg, modern Year 8 is Year 2 to me. Year 11 is Year 5. Year 13 is Upper 6th.

I’m English but find the school years harder. I went through three tier system and in the middle is switched to R - 11/13. So I went from middle school (1-4) expected to go into Year 3 at high school (so that we would be taking exams in 5th year the same as where schools moved at 11). I actually went into year 9. GCSEs inn10 and 11. Continued into Alevels at the same school which was not 12 and 13, stayed 6th form for some reason.

Also have England centric view to think you can just add simply - how easy would most English users find if Scottish MNetters used school years on all threads rather than age? (I don’t know the NI or Welsh systems but could equally be hard).

It’s shifted by six months. In England the cut off is 1st sept, rather than 1st March, so they start six months sooner.

Works for the school year equivalent though

It’s not even that simple

England reception is age 4 and they turn five
Scotland they start school in P1 age 4 years 6 months to 5 years six months, unless they have deferred, which is pretty common, and they could be a few months older.
It goes up to yr7 and then senior school starts with S1.

It's that simple to convert primary year groups both systems have 7 years of primary yR - y6 in England and p1 - p7 in Scotland. The stages are similar with a play based p1/yR and dc were being sent work from white rose maths during lockdown and p7 was getting y6 assignments P3 was getting y2. Once it's high school though I get lost. The year group comparison is where it ends though. You can't automatically guess an age from a Scottish year group. There is a couple of weeks short of 2 years between the oldest and youngest dc in DD's primary 4 class. Some will still be 7 for several months then as they turn 8 some will be preparing for their 10th birthday. I guess the age in y3 is far more predictable but everyone definitely can't know that

[quote SheWoreYellow]@stingofthebutterfly
No, what age

Anyway. I googled. You’re thinking yr 11 is age 15, turning 16.

S4 at this time of year could be (rarely) just turned 16, lots of 15s and also could be 14s who don’t turn 15 until next February. So it’s not a massive issue, but there is a difference.

It means that the age of starting senior school can be different, which is relevant too. If you have an 11 yr old yr7 compared to an eleven yr old P7, one is in senior school and one in primary.[/quote]
The 1%...

Yes! I have no idea why people do it. Jt makes no sense. If it's to do with school state their age and year if it makes you feel better, but year 4 means nothing to me, and no I won't look it up because I can't be arsed.

@sachastark2 I'm old.. when I was at school we didn't have these new fangled numbers. My primary school went 1, 2, 3 and middle school 1, 2, 3, 4 and senior school 3, 4 and 5 ( no years 1 and 2 because years 3 and 4 of middle school did that)

This new.system seems quite simple add 4.or 5 to year number to get approximate age of.child

btw I only know age/school year in England, but if you add 4 to Year Whatever then you get the age they are when they start that year in Sept.

so y10 is 14 year old turning 15

It’s neither.
P1 sits between reception and Yr1
So P2 is between Yr1 and yr2

In what way? Age maybe but even that isn't accurate with the messy in deferral in Scotland. P1 YR are bathe the first year of primary and they both ah e seven years. There isn't really any in betweens

I don’t really understand what you mean, liveforsummer by

“Works for the school year equivalent though”

My whole point is that if you are talking about, say yr2, you can’t convert the children to a p group as they could be P2 or p3, by age.

*leeway not messy. Not sure where that came from

@SheWoreYellow

I don’t really understand what you mean, liveforsummer by

“Works for the school year equivalent though”

My whole point is that if you are talking about, say yr2, you can’t convert the children to a p group as they could be P2 or p3, by age.

Because there are 7 years in both primary systems. The ages vary but they all do 7 years of formal schooling with the first (and sometimes 2nd in Scotland) year being play based and the last being the one before high school

@clockover

Honestly can't get over how rude that first reply was. I didn't think it was an unreasonable request either. There is no need to state what school year a child is in when talking about how much pocket money they get or what time they have to be at each evening.

Well, I disagree with that. Lots of things tend to be decided according to which year they're in. There are 'rights of passage' that come with various year groups snd it does spill over onto bed times and playing out & a bunch of other things.

It's really not complicated to add 4 to a 'Year' to know their age. It's much more useful to know if we're talking about a Y6 or a Y7 child when discussing the things you allow them to do or when they go to bed or even what they might like for christmas.

Either way, one thread isn't going to suddenly change how people post.

@liveforsummer

*It’s neither. P1 sits between reception and Yr1 So P2 is between Yr1 and yr2*

In what way? Age maybe but even that isn't accurate with the messy in deferral in Scotland. P1 YR are bathe the first year of primary and they both ah e seven years. There isn't really any in betweens

Yes by age. The whole point of the thread is that people need to state the age of the child because you can’t just say the yeargroup name and be able to work it out.

We’re not talking about what maths they can do necessarily, we’re talking about ‘my yr 8 child is in trouble again for forgetting his water bottle’ ‘my yr 5 isn’t getting any play dates’ and for this we need to know their age.

Totally agree. I’m in Scotland and Y3 etc means absolutely nothing to me.