To ask which is the best country for an NHS doctor to Immigrate?

[JetRocket]

Just looking for advice on which are the best/easiest countries for an NHS doctor midway through specialist training (finished CT3) to immigrate to?

We have 2 small children and only speak English fluently.

Anyone who has done it before, would be very pleased to hear your thoughts. Never thought we’d consider it but after 2 years of beyond hideous treatment we just can’t cope anymore our families mental health and work life balance is in shambles.

We went to NZ (Dh is a Constant though), and came back! Beautiful place but deathly boring after a while (not much to do beside outdoors sports). It was also too isolated. However pay and conditions were fab! Also lower taxes.

Dh would like to work in Denmark but he struggles with learning languages.

Consultant I meant!

I don't think it's realistic to emigrate when you're mid training. Nowhere will enable you to top up training that I'm aware of. You'd be better seeing it through and then emigrating to Australia/nz. Canada and US you'd need exams. Elsewhere you'd need the language. Of course you could restart training abroad but given you've completed core training that's somewhat a shame though you can shave off time in some countries eg NZ. There aren't many doctors on here. I'm in the on-call room on fb which is a decent hive of activity; maybe ask there?

Amused by the aggressive, irritable and sour replies. Jealousy is very ugly. The repayment question especially tickled me. Well done for OP not allowing herself to be taken advantage of and worked into the ground. Health professionals get taken for granted too much in this country

In answer to the actual question, as a fellow health professional l would be interested in Canada (west coast) and New Zealand. Not sure how your qualifications would translate or what / if any conversions you would need to do. But they are both credible places in medicine and l like the lifestyle of both

I've got friends in both Australia and NZ and the wildlife certainly isn't scary in Australia.

My GP just emigrated to New Zealand.

Actually what about Mauritius. My sister just moved there permanently and i lived there for 6 years when I was younger.
Everyone speaks english and you don't need another language to work there, my BiL doesn't speal french and he is working there.
They appreciate it if you try to learn a bit of french but it isn't obligatory.

For those suggesting the USA….there is an eye watering expensive conversion course to get through. DS looked into it years ago and it was around $50,000. He has an American passport but even that did not tempt him. They basically don’t recognise the British qualification.

[quote PinkiOcelot]@Snoopsnoggysnog so would it have been better had the OP written would I be unreasonable to emigrate whilst still in training?! FFS!!
@Mantlemoose who the hell has shat in your cornflakes?!! Shitty response![/quote]

Be mindful, if you have kids and there are health concerns or you yourself have health conditions, Canada, Australia may not let you emigrate

We’d love to ‘see our training through before moving’ trust me. Being unable to see training through is why we are considering this.

DH just found out today that despite scoring well over required to move onto registrar training he’s once again not actually being offered a role. This is the third time. That’s 1.5 years of standing still and not progressing despite being qualified and exceeding requirements.

Yet there is a severe shortage in his specialism

Would you really not be willing to learn a new language? I'm training to be a research scientist and planning to escape my hellish third world country so I can actually earn more than a minimum wage. Once I settled on the country that felt the best (Germany), I arranged a tutor and began learning this January - we hope that by the time I move, in September 2022, I will be finishing my B1 level.
If you haven't yet finished your training, I presume you have some time to pick up at least the basics of a language, holiday there to improve your conversation skills, etc.

@InTropicalTrumpsLand

We are willing but we don’t think we’ll be able to commit the time and energy needed as we are already struggling severely tbh

We have several doctor friends who have moved to Oz and are doing very well there.
They say there is a much better work life balance.

The USA isn't possible because as pp says they don't recognize enough of the qualifications.

One GP friend also worked in Dubai for a while.

@Mantlemoose what a bellend. Try walking a day in the shoes of a medic and report back as to how easy you found it, you’d be spitting your venom amongst a few traumatised tears I wager. You’re the type that gets much needed medics emigrating, as no doubt you vote for the shower of wankers that are making the NHS so bloody hard to work in.

Have a word with yourself, make it a nasty one.

Mantlemoose probably believes the Daily Mail that insists all doctors are paid £140k a year.

Nobody 'signed up' for the pandemic.

Shop workers didn't have people dying in front on them en masse on a daily basis, with nobody to comfort or sit with them in their final hours.

So what Mantlemoose paid tax. So did we all. So did the bloody doctors.

@JetRocket is your husband trying to get an anaesthetic number by any chance? I’m so angry at how anaesthetic trainees are being treated at the moment and the lack of training numbers. I’m coming to the last bit of my anaesthetic training but have strongly considered leaving at points.

Have you properly assessed your alternatives OP?

Remember the grass is not always greener elsewhere

@JetRocket maybe look at different parts of the UK first, to try to get different experiences and a different lifestyle while still within the same training framework?

Is your husband applying for national programmes across all areas, or is he applying only for certain regions? Sometimes broadening the areas he's willing to go to can increase job options (eg. a programme based in London is likely to be much more fiercely fought for than a programme based in a rural area).

I'm an Australian consultant. Work in a city, Perth, very few scary animals except spiders,so have house spider sprayed yearly.
We get lots of UK and Irish Junior Doctors where I work. Usually Post Graduate year 2 or 3 though. Mostly they come planning to stay 1 or 2 years but some stay.
To stay in Australia you would need to do the Australian College Fellowship exams generally, I'm a physician and the Australian exams are at a different point during training so not equivalent.
To get the ability to bill Medicare privately, our NHS equivalent, you need to be here 10 years. If people move before training to this isn't a huge issue as much of the 10 years is when you are working in public hospitals where it doesn't apply. For the rest of the 10 years you would either stay working in public hospitals or go to a Regional City where there are usually exemption s. If you plan to go to General Practice then for the rest of the 10 years you would need to go Rural or sometimes outskirts of cities.
In terms of training all the College's are combined Australian and New Zealand so training is the same.

I think you should leave. The comments from some on here just sum up why being a doctor in the NHS is a thankless task. The public expect servitude. The NHS treats employees like crap.

Prioritise your family and health. No one else will.

Auz, nz, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Canada are all places friends have gone to. None have come back.

I know a NZ locum who is always bitching that UK doctors working in NZ get preferential treatment, their pick of shifts and jobs, etc etc. So could be a good option.

@Mantlemoose

Oh no don't go, we need you. There I've said it, off you pop now. Do you really think other people all over the world aren't in the same position. You're a doctor, you signed up for what you had to do..I pity the care home staff, the supermarket workers and such like paid considerably less than you are. And no I didn't clap for you and yes I have used the nhs lots but that's what I pay tax for!

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