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takenforgrantednana · 22/10/2021 12:07

@GrandTheftWalrus

I've seen a lot of people using a car seat on the pram frame instead of a carry cot. Now obviously if you drive baby will have been in seat then taken from car and onto frame. But I've also seen someone describe it as barbaric to use a car seat attached if they don't drive and should only use carry cot.

Is it barbaric? Should people only use car seat part if they drive? Would you ask everyone that has a car seat on a frame if they drive?

my daughter works for a large baby shop, when new mums are buying the equipment as part of the demonstration they are told of the health implications, of the baby being in the car seat and that it is recommended that the baby be put in the carrycot/flat at the earliest opportunity.

personally i take the veiw that ok you need the car seat to move them around in the car, and yes conveinient if your only going to be 15 mins in and out and back to the car, but any longer then use the carrycot you have paid for! safer - healthwise, warmer, offer some protection from the potential population spreading their germs on the baby too, and in emergencies handy to use for somewhere to change a nappy!

barbaric is a bit over the top of a word to use, but knowing the full reason of what happens with the baby in the car seat i can understand why.

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GrandTheftWalrus · 22/10/2021 12:23

Shes 5 months now and only recently been using the car seat more. She was always in the carry cot when she was newborn.

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AdditionalCharacter · 22/10/2021 12:29

Back in the early 00s when my DC were babies, car seats on pram frames were not a thing, and the car seats mainly clipped on to the pram itself. Not a lot of parent facing prams either, unless you could afford the expensive brands, so a lot of parents I know would use the car seat as they were able to see their baby as facing them. Remember Graco prams anyone?

I have such pram envy at all the options there is these days.

Heronwatcher · 22/10/2021 12:36

This is bizarre. Of course it’s not barbaric. That’s what a travel system is for. And what an earth is the difference between a child sitting in a car seat in a car for an hour or on a pram base specifically designed to hold the seat? None. I tried not to let my kids nap for hours in a car seat but above and beyond that it’s absolutely fine and many babies (particularly those with reflux or who like to see what’s going on) much prefer them.

CiaoForDiNiaoSaur · 22/10/2021 12:46

@AdditionalCharacter

Back in the early 00s when my DC were babies, car seats on pram frames were not a thing, and the car seats mainly clipped on to the pram itself. Not a lot of parent facing prams either, unless you could afford the expensive brands, so a lot of parents I know would use the car seat as they were able to see their baby as facing them. Remember Graco prams anyone?

I have such pram envy at all the options there is these days.

Same! The only way DS1 could be facing me was if i clipped the car seat onto the pushchair. He hated being forward facing/laying flat in the pushchair and much preferred being in the car seat facing me. He's 17 now and his spine is fine. His development was perfectly normal. He learnt to roll/crawl/ walk etc within a normal time frame so I can only assume it didn't harm him at all.

takenforgrantednana · 22/10/2021 12:46

@Heronwatcher

This is bizarre. Of course it’s not barbaric. That’s what a travel system is for. And what an earth is the difference between a child sitting in a car seat in a car for an hour or on a pram base specifically designed to hold the seat? None. I tried not to let my kids nap for hours in a car seat but above and beyond that it’s absolutely fine and many babies (particularly those with reflux or who like to see what’s going on) much prefer them.

@Heronwatcher "And what an earth is the difference between a child sitting in a car seat in a car for an hour or on a pram base specifically designed to hold the seat? " oh how uninformed you actually are if you believe any of that! the angle a baby sits at when in a car seat and placed in the car means that their heads have a tendancy to flop forwards, which cuts of the flow of oxygen. that is why they put a time limit on the car seat useage, so a drive to the shopping center and then the afternoon spent walking around the shops and then the ride home again could mean the baby is being oxygen deprived for around 4 hrs seeing as most pushchairs come as a package of the frame, carrycot and car seat, you have already paid for the carrycot so use it! ok yes they tend to be rather on the small size and your lucky if they are able to be used after 6 months of age, but this is where you can use a harness and a pillow and have your baby sat up in the carrycot where they can play with some toys which tend not to fall out of the carrycot unlike when using a car seat. everyones on a winner then as the baby isnt bored and more importantly their health isnt put at risk

as for those windy babies, you can tilt the carrycot on most prams so they are still laid flat but at an angle

secretllama · 22/10/2021 12:54

Barbaric 🤣 some people need to get a life. If I was just popping into a shop I'd just lift the car seat to clip onto the pram for ease rather than taking him out and putting him into the bassinet for the sake of 10 mins. I doubt I've caused my son a disability because of this.

Heronwatcher · 22/10/2021 12:54

@takenforgrantednana but that’s not what anyone is talking about. There is no difference at all between a baby sitting in a car seat in a car for 40 mins or on a pram base at all. I’m not talking about a combined trip of 3 hours and nor is the OP- I said I wouldn’t do that. But 40 mins in a travel system a day is in no way barbaric. It’s amazing how people lose sight of common sense when they get a sniff of an opportunity to be judgmental, especially in the field of parenting.

adreamofspring · 22/10/2021 13:02

My 3 month old goes in the car seat bit of the travel system for the school run (45 min walk round trip) as he will scream the place down in the pram because of his reflux. It’s particularly bad walking to school as it’s downhill all the way and in the pram he’s tipped with his feet elevated and head lowered for most of the journey unless I do a wheelie all the way. Will get him into pushchair attachment as Soon as he’s big enough but this works for us for now.

My twins were in car seat travel system on same chassis for longer periods but never more than 2
hours. Why can’t others trust that most parents are doing their best?? Particularly if they’ve already got healthy school age
Kids?

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GrandTheftWalrus · 22/10/2021 13:05

This is the actual quote:

"Car seats on prams being pushed, especially when parents don’t drive are just barbaric to us car seat people! Don’t really understand it."

And when I asked why it was barbaric

"It’s barbaric because

You don’t drive
You are using a ‘car’ seat for outings when this isn’t its intended use."

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takenforgrantednana · 22/10/2021 13:06

[quote Heronwatcher]@takenforgrantednana but that’s not what anyone is talking about. There is no difference at all between a baby sitting in a car seat in a car for 40 mins or on a pram base at all. I’m not talking about a combined trip of 3 hours and nor is the OP- I said I wouldn’t do that. But 40 mins in a travel system a day is in no way barbaric. It’s amazing how people lose sight of common sense when they get a sniff of an opportunity to be judgmental, especially in the field of parenting.[/quote]
@Heronwatcher the pushchair seat unit shouldnt be used until the baby can sit unaided, until then its the carrycot laid flat, the car set is best kept for use for in the car or max of 15 mins nip in and back out of somewhere

and yes there is a huge difference between having the car seat on the chassis of the pushchair or being placed on the seat in the car, the angle is totally different and that reflects in the angle the baby in the car seat is sat in. even using the car seat on the chassis the car seat still tends to allow the babies head to move forwards obstructing the air flow so perhaps you should take a little more notice of what is happening rather than dismissing facts known by the industry for years!

Heronwatcher · 22/10/2021 13:18

@takenforgrantednana perhaps you could share the studies since we are all such novices, especially since I have had 4 kids in the last 10 years! Do you know what we’re talking about when we say travel system- we don’t mean a seat bunged into a pram? And on your “angle theory”surely this will depend on the brand of seat and chassis anyway- I must remember to take my compass and protector next time I go out in the car. And nothing you’ve said makes me think that there is anything barbaric about a trip of 40 mins in a travel system for a 5 month old baby.
Did you mean to refer to a “pillow” for a 6 month old baby above BTW?

Meatshake · 22/10/2021 13:19

I used it all the time, but I had a lie flat car seat. Couldn't use the carrycot, it gave me flashbacks to a friend's kid's coffin.

Both kids are pretty advanced physically (youngest could ride a bike without stabilisers at 2, my 4 year old can swim without arm bands etc.... They're complete toss at other things though, I'm not being smug!) so I don't think it's done them much damage overall.

IncyWincySpiderOnRepeat · 22/10/2021 13:19

Barbaric is definitely over the top. Not ideal no, but for a short period per day and in certain situations it can be the best option for all.

Car seat on pram wheels has been a lifesaver for me for dd2 when doing the school run with dd1. School is a 10 minute drive from home followed by a 5 minute walk. Leaving the baby in the car seat often meant she slept and kept her warm and dry when it was freezing /bucketing down. To have had to transfer her in to a pushchair/carrycot from the car seat would have been so much worse for everyone that I never even considered it!

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GrandTheftWalrus · 22/10/2021 13:22

I just had a look at travel systems and one of the pictures shows the car seat on the frame!

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Cuntness · 22/10/2021 13:23

How is this thread any better than the BLW thread that got deleted?

It's just more judgement of mums.

FortniteBoysMum · 22/10/2021 13:28

Babies especially new born should not be in carseats for long periods of time. It can damage their spine and potentially cause breathing issues. If your taking baby in the car and running in the shops it's fine, if your going for a long walk then use the carrycot that's what it's designed for.

BrumBirth · 22/10/2021 13:33

Really OP it’s fine.

So long as you know that baby shouldn’t spend all day in a car seat then it’s fine.

Like I said up thread I have only ever used our push chair with a car seat. I have a disability that made choosing pushchairs difficult. The best one for us (that we could afford) was one that didn’t have a carry cot attachment.

I’m sure your baby is thriving x

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GrandTheftWalrus · 22/10/2021 13:36

@Cuntness I posted the thread as I was the one being judged. I'm not judging anyone else, I wanted other opinions.

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MindyStClaire · 22/10/2021 13:39

@Cuntness

How is this thread any better than the BLW thread that got deleted?

It's just more judgement of mums.

That thread was the OP judging a stranger she'd seen out and about. This thread is a new mum settling reassurance about using a product as intended following a nasty comment from a so-called friend.

MindyStClaire · 22/10/2021 13:39

*seeking reassurance

carolinesbaby · 22/10/2021 13:40

My pram frame had adaptors on so the carrycot and the car seat fitted on the frame interchangeably. If baby was awake, and the time out of the car warranted it, I would transfer baby to the carrycot and put the carrycot on the frame. If we were just popping into a shop for example, or if baby was asleep and I didn't want to wake her, I'd leave her in the car seat and put that on the frame instead.

Basically, mind your own business.

CandyFloss31 · 22/10/2021 13:42

I wouldn’t say barbaric, but I personally wouldn’t do it and never did with my two - I always transferred them to the flat carry cot, even if they were sleeping. I didn’t even buy the adapters for the pram frame. It was harder work for me, but I felt it was in their best interests.

Totallydefeated · 22/10/2021 13:43

as for those windy babies, you can tilt the carrycot on most prams so they are still laid flat but at an angle

takenforgrantednana Babies with reflux are not ‘windy babies’. Their pain is on a different scale. Most carrycot pram attachments don’t angle sufficiently. For DD, to angle a carrycot sufficiently meant she would slide down to the bottom!!

I don’t doubt that it’s usually better for babies to be lying flat, it’s just that in the real world we’re not always able to do everything perfectly because of individual circumstance.

Lying flat for babies with reflux causes a lot of pain and, if the acid isn’t controlled sufficiently with medication, in the worse cases can cause scarring of the oesophagus, which can have long term implications. It’s not just a bit of wind.

SleepingStandingUp · 22/10/2021 13:44

We used the car seat attachment for DS from about 15 weeks, but he was got out when we stopped for coffee or for cuddles etc.

The twins from pretty much birth because I don't like babies in basically flat buggies and I couldn't get a proper double pram.

If they're safe to be in it for a car journey, I don't see how it's suddenly unsafe if I'm on a bus if you follow the same rules