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Not to invite 'best friends' to 3 year olds birthday?

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nurserypolitics · 18/10/2021 16:01

DD is about to turn 3. She has two 'best friends' who she's known since she was a baby and has been in nursery with, and had weekend play dates with, since then. Let's call them Ann and George. Recently they have all also been playing with another little girl, Julian. DD is the last to turn 3, the 'parties' we've been having so far have essentially been play dates with cake, and have featured all of the above. So lovely small groups of 3 or 4 kids, nice and relaxed.

Unfortunately, Ann, who she is closest to, it moving very far away soon, before her birthday. DD is devastated by this, and doesn't really understand why Ann won't be at her party. We've already said we'll also invite another friend who she plays with on our road. She has, in the l week or so, started talking about inviting two other little girls in nursery as well, Peppa and Suzy, to her party. The problem is, I really don't think she actually plays much with Peppa and Suzy at all, and actually I think reading between the lines they may be a bit mean to her and she may be inviting the 'cool kids'.

I know Peppa's mother through NCT, and I know Peppa had a party with some of her closest nursery friends a while ago and DD wasn't invited (absolutely no issue with that btw, and reflects what little I know about friendship groups). During covid her 'group' was split by age, and Peppa and Suzy were in the slightly older group, and now they've merged again I get the impression there's a bit of the 'we're older and cooler' vibe going on, and sometimes they say they won't play with her. There are loads of other kids she DOES talk about playing with in the day, who if I were going to invite extra children from nursery I would say 'oh could you pass on a message to Billy's mother' or similar, based on who she regularly says she's playing with. So this has totally thrown me as she quite often says things like Peppa and Suzy wouldn't play with her, or said she wasn't allowed in their house, or she's a 'little' girl and they're big girls. And they're the ones she's adamant she wants, not the other friends I know she does play with.

I have Peppa's mother's details, I could v easily ask her, and probably get details for Suzy's parents too, but basically DD has had a rough time recently and with Ann not being there I don't think a 'big' (7 kids, plus baby siblings) party is a good idea and its likely to end in a meltdown. And I know they're changeable but I'm not sure she actually is playing with Suzy and Peppa all that much. But she's said it almost every day for two weeks. We've been trying to down play birthday chat but they're all basically friends from NCT originally who ended up in the same nursery so the birthdays and parties roll on one after the other.

I am aware I'm massively overthinking this, but if I hold my ground, stick to original invitees will she just go along with that? Or would two extra little girls be a good distraction from Ann not being there and it might be a way to get them all to play better together? Advise from more experienced parents would be great, I keep going around in circles.

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JackieCollinshasnoauthority · 18/10/2021 17:25

Julian?!

Dancingbugbadge · 18/10/2021 17:26

This really made me smile! My child is the same age and I really can’t imagine them having such emotions about a party or who to invite. She also has no concept of what it means to be cool. I really think you are massively over complicating this.

Imposterish · 18/10/2021 17:26

I just couldn’t process the OP. I have a 5 year old as well as a 19 month old but I just never had the brain space for this degree of thinking. Just how do people manage it.

Pollythecat15 · 18/10/2021 17:33

If it was me I would probably invite Peppa and Suzy too.
I always asked the nursery who my daughter played with most, but if she wants these two girls then I would go with that.

Squidthing · 18/10/2021 17:39

My two pennies is to discourage the whole idea of any one or two "best" friends, just leads to trouble later on with kids excluding each other and try and encourage her to be friendly with anyone. And agree with others she won't remember or care who came to her party.

Anonymice1 · 18/10/2021 17:42

If you’re overthinking it this much when she’s not even 3, how on earth will you even survive when she’s 13..

DFOD · 18/10/2021 17:42

Do you struggle to understand or have anxiety around social dynamics as an adult?

Seems that you are overwhelmed and overlaying some of your own emotional challenges on 2 and 3 year olds.

Maybe you could seek some support because likely your issues will be absorbed by your toddler.

LittleGwyneth · 18/10/2021 17:45

I sense that you might be projecting a bit about the 'cool' kids. These are small children. There are no 'cool kids'. Maybe cool mums, but not kids.

Sandyseagul · 18/10/2021 17:55

I don’t think you should invite Ann and Suzy.
If she’s still talking about them in a few weeks maybe arrange a play date with them.
I wouldn’t risk the stress on her birthday.

Also definitely over thinking - sorry

Stuckhere2021 · 18/10/2021 17:57

Sorry OP but you need to get a grip. She’s 3 FFS! You are in for a huge anxiety gripped life if you are overthinking at this stage. Might be best to never have any parties again until she’s 16 and can invite herself.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 18/10/2021 18:05

You say that birthday parties so far have been, essentially play dates with cake ...lovely small groups of 3 or 4 kids, nice and relaxed.

So why not keep it that way?
Why not have a birthday party for Ann and George and DD before Ann leaves... a nice way to say goodbye too.

and then another similar with new friends?

Perhaps you should ease up on talking to her about it in advance and asking questions about who to invite, especially when she might change her mind on the day or start asking other friends herself.

If you keep to the familiar pattern - there will be less stress in the end.

Mammaaof · 18/10/2021 18:10

What the hell have I just read. My little girl is 4 and in full time school she has a best friend that changes daily, sometimes they are best friends sometimes she says X was mean to be bla bla there bloody 3! She will forget about Ann by next week

Shakirasma · 18/10/2021 18:22

*I think reading between the lines they may be a bit mean to her and she may be inviting the 'cool kids'."

They're 3 years old!

You are projecting behaviours of older children onto toddlers

I dont know why you're doing it but you need to stop.

nurserypolitics · 18/10/2021 18:29

Hah, ok to explain the 'cool' thing, I also think this is insane. And I also think none of this would be an issue if it wasn't for covid. And to explain the name thing, I started off going for the famous five then realised I didn't want to name a child 'dick' and merged into Peppa - I am also very overtired!

Basically, because of covid, they ended up more in defined groups, and when childcare was closed, we bubbled with some of the other parents. So she spent a LOT more time with Ann than she would have normally, we actually spent Christmas with her family. So yes, they're really close, and yes, she will genuinely miss her - her nursery actually said they felt the friendship they had is unusual at that age. I sort of assumed they were mostly friends because their parents are/proximity, but having now seen her play with other kids I do think they get on very well.

The 'cool' thing... its a bit tongue in cheek, but those kids have older siblings, and since they kind of re-merged the groups Dd has come back saying she was told certain things she has/wears are 'for babies' which blows my mind a bit. I'm entirely getting it from her reports, and I'm pretty sure the nursery staff aren't saying these things, so yes this really does seem to be a thing among the 3 year olds.

But yes, I should probably chill and just have the small party. We've just been copying what other people do - a 'birthday' basically means a cake. I think lots of kids would be overwhelming. But then I think, what's an extra few children.

I am massively overthinking because since we told her about Ann moving (in a v low key way) she's started having night terrors, and regressed with potty training, so she is really upset about it (I think it will actually be better once its happened) and I'm just trying to do what I can to reduce the upset.

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Goldbar · 18/10/2021 18:34

All a 3 year old needs for a party is cake, presents and some balloons.

My DC celebrated their 3rd birthday in lockdown so it was just DC, DH and me. We got some disco lights, played music in the living-room, danced and ate cake. No grandparents allowed even and they're an only child. They talked about their "party" for ages. Even though it was just the three of us and no other kids.

Invite George, Julian and the little one on your road, have ice cream and ginger beer and don't stress!

Moonlaserbearwolf · 18/10/2021 18:43

The tiredness is getting to you OP! It happens to all of us at some point!
When mine were 3 I invited a couple of my friends over who happened to have children of similar ages to my DDs. Young children just like the excitement of a small party with cake and balloons and running around. It honestly doesn’t matter who you invite.

Cantstopthewaves · 18/10/2021 18:44

Tell DD how many friends she can have at the party and let her choose. Just go with it and don't overthink it.
I'd also suggest building your dd's (well actually, your own) confidence. Why can't your dd be the 'cool kid'? ( not that 3yr olds are in any way cool).

fitsandgiggles · 18/10/2021 18:51

I'm sorry but this did make me laugh. They are 3 year olds, as long as there is cake I don't think she will give a fig who's there seriously my DD had a new best friend everyday at that age

elliejjtiny · 18/10/2021 18:51

At this age birthday parties are either family only or your friends who have similar aged children.

Love the famous five/Peppa pig pseudonyms. Much better than calling them x, y and z which makes them sound like spies Grin

olympicsrock · 18/10/2021 18:59

In my experience the ideally number of party guests for small children is them plus their age. Mine always enjoyed the beginning/ end of parties more with just a few children running around the hall. Much less pressure / noise and stress for them.

MsTSwift · 18/10/2021 19:21

My friend asked her child for the names of her friends at nursery - the staff were baffled when my friend asked them to hand out the invites - all the invitees were imaginary! My friend thought some of the names were abit odd sounding.

Driposaurus · 18/10/2021 19:26

Go with who she says are her best friends.

They won’t be in six weeks, but that doesn’t matter right now.

And don’t overthink their coolness etc. It will all be fine.

I hosted a 3 year old birthday party last week. My child couldn’t remember the names of most people who came when asked earlier

TheyDoItOnPurposeLynne · 18/10/2021 19:52

Is there any chance you might be projecting some of your own feelings onto this?

nurserypolitics · 19/10/2021 09:53

@TheyDoItOnPurposeLynne

Is there any chance you might be projecting some of your own feelings onto this?
I don't think so... to be clear on the 'cool' thing, its not at all that I think she's unpopular, or indeed that these kids are actually 'cool', I think there's a fairly natural gravitating towards older kids that happened and the weird covid system marked them out as 'older' than they are. She plays happily with everyone from what I can work out, but has a small group of besties she plays with more/better, which lines up in general with who we see at the weekend.

What has baffled me is there were a few weeks of talking about essentially these girls excluding her a bit, which is totally normal, I get the 'I don't want to play with you today' at this age but its that its been followed by saying they're her 'best friends' and she wants them at her party when I know she actually rarely plays with them. She still really really wants her 'actual' best friends there, so I thought the increase in numbers would be really overwhelming and just ignored, but she's said it every day now for weeks and so I was starting to wonder if I should just ask them anyway. (We're not mentioning her birthday much at all, but we've been going to birthday parties every weekend so its obviously coming up)

In all honesty, I do feel a lot of guilt about 'Ann' - I think she's too young to have a 'best' friend, but because of covid and the need to bubble etc etc she has spent way more time one on one with Ann that she ever would normally have spent with another child. And now Ann is moving, and while I'm aware she'll adapt, she will be sadder than would be 'normal' because of the kind of artificial closeness that happened since lockdown.

If Ann could come, I would have had no issue saying 'no, these are your friends who are coming' and this thread has made me realise that's what I should do: I'll stick with the original plan, and if she says about wanting more friends we'll explain that you have bigger parties when you're bigger.

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MajorCarolDanvers · 19/10/2021 12:30

She is not devastated by her friend moving away. She wont understand what that is and she will forget all about it very quickly.

At this age they really don't have 'friends' they just have people they play beside.

Everything else is just in the minds and feelings of the parents.