To think we should be protesting

[Jessieabs]

For affordable childcare.

Why are we letting the government get away with the absolute joke that is childcare in the U.K.

Over 2k per month to send 2 kids to nursery seems like madness! There should absolutely be reform to this crazy state that we’re in. Surely a huge majority of the voting population have children/have grandchildren or plan to have children, but this issue is rarely talked about at election time!

@EasterIssland do you not realise that for the vast majority that is all they have all the time and they work as well and all they will likely ever have, high childcare costs are short term
Many would love to have 1.5 k left over after rent/ mortgage

@dongke the same reason you keep telling me things i already know

@worriedatthemoment I'm not sure what you are struggling to understand from my posts. I wasn't making a point about how much national insurance someone has paid in or not although the system doesn't work like that as we pay it forward.
I was just making the point that NI increases disproportionately target the lower earners, do you disagree with that?

@forinborin but there are many a lot worse iff though isn't there
I cannot being myself to feel sorry for people who earn over £100 k , there needs to be a cut off for subsidised childcare and I do not think it needs to be for all earners regardless of salaries

[quote worriedatthemoment]@EasterIssland do you not realise that for the vast majority that is all they have all the time and they work as well and all they will likely ever have, high childcare costs are short term
Many would love to have 1.5 k left over after rent/ mortgage [/quote]
Exactly if the childcare was subsided for 2-3years then many of those families would have a higher income > they’d spend more and some of them even rely less on benefits.

What you don’t understand tho is that a family that takes home 6k want to get some personal benefits from those 6k, if it’s all spending on childcare / mortgages etc then they’d might be better off one of them giving up their job at least they’d be spending more time with their kids

@Pythonista

Yup that’s right. There has been a big push for decades now to have more women in STEM careers and sitting on management boards and in order we need to address the barriers that they face - this is a pretty damn big one. If their career prospects are cut off at earlier stages because of childcare then it hurts us all. Studies have shown that having more female bankers promotes greater overall stability and economic prosperity for everyone

So we subsidise childcare for high earners? Well that is all kind of fucked up

You really seem to be struggling with reading comprehension as I stated we are losing them at earlier stages of their career so they don’t make it to the top positions where they could better enact changes but then this seems to be your M.O and I have no idea why you visit this site if you have such contempt for parents.

@dongke I already said I agree it will for some although for some it won't as they will be below the threshold .
But it ls a totally different tax than raising them so someone on £100 k plus can also have free or subsidised childcare
I will pay more ni for the nhs which benefits all or so people on disabilities can have help
I will not be willing to pay more taxes so those on incomes of £100 k or more can have cheaper childcare

@EasterIssland you mean what people on lesser incomes do all the time

the same reason you keep telling me things i already know

😆 this doesn't make any sense. You keep replying to my posts & going off a tangent.

The only thing your posts seem to tell me is that you have a lack of understanding.

@EasterIssland and it is subsidised for those families ? You are aware people can claim foe childcare dependant on wages aren't you

@dongke what because I don't agree with you?
Typical of your type of person

@dongke

Still doesn't answer my question..what do parents pay in taxes that ONLY single childfree people get?

I don't think there is anything specifically, has anyone claimed there was?

Exactly yet those who already get help are demanding more whilst not even at least appreciating the fact we get no help whatsoever! Why not at least be gracoous enought to recognise that. But nah just take take take, gimme more money whilst we do nothing to help you.

Nah, no thanks ill keep my money and I won't support giving more.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@EasterIssland you mean what people on lesser incomes do all the time [/quote]
Yet someone on lesser income might be available for benefits so can enjoy the time with their kids and get help from the government. Once the childcare years have passed they most likely will have a similar role to go back to

A high earner giving up their career to take care of their kids won’t get help from the government and when they want to go back to work that role might not be waiting for them anymore as their skills are deprecated.

I will not be willing to pay more taxes so those on incomes of £100 k or more can have cheaper childcare

You've said it this a number of times. It's just that myself & other posters don't think it's makes much sense but crack on.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@EasterIssland and it is subsidised for those families ? You are aware people can claim foe childcare dependant on wages aren't you [/quote]
The 30h free are the same for anyone , it’s not dependent on their salary

@EasterIssland Well if they want the career thats the choice
And its not about benefits and giving up work many don't qualify they just have one wage still

@EasterIssland im not talking about the 30 hrs you can claim universal credit ( used ti be ctc ) towards childcare costs if on certain incomes

what because I don't agree with you?

None is asking you to agree with me, a robust debate would be good though.

I make a comment about HGV drivers you reply about their conditions.

I make a point about help to buy you tell me it's pushed prices up.

I make the point that NI targets lower earners more you reply about blaming pensioners & that your dad still works.

Typical of your type of person

What type of person am I?

@dongke why doesn't it make sense
What about it ? You may not agree thats different to nog making sense
Get of your high horse for one minute

@dongke but what did hgv drivers have to do with this discussion? Its ok for you to bring what you like to a discussion but not for others
Ok then

@dongke re: the pensioners you made a claim that many pensioners are rich

@dongke also why did you mention I was falling to grasp the 30 hrs
I have no issue with the 30 hrs from age 3 we currently have for all
At no point have I said that I do

[quote worriedatthemoment]@forinborin but there are many a lot worse iff though isn't there
I cannot being myself to feel sorry for people who earn over £100 k , there needs to be a cut off for subsidised childcare and I do not think it needs to be for all earners regardless of salaries
[/quote]
People on £100K usually do it because they want to have some advantages of being on £100K. It is not as easy as it sounds, by the way, employers rarely part with £100K if you're not earning back every penny for them. And, at some point the law of diminishing returns kicks in.

Why not at least be gracoous enought to recognise that.

It's nothing to do with being gracious. I don't have to pay for childcare but I don't begrudge paying for it for others. I don't get CB but have no issue with paying it for others.

But nah just take take take, gimme more money whilst we do nothing to help you.

So parents who pay taxes are not doing anything to help others because there isn't a specific tax incentive for those who are childfree?

the pensioners you made a claim that many pensioners are rich

show me where I said that?