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Original poster

UK has gone to shit.

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Ilovegreentomatoes · 09/10/2021 19:58

What is happening to the uk? No food on the shelves, the cost of living has become extortionate coupled with stagnating wages it seems this is a country where unless your in the higher income bracket you really can't afford to live anymore.
Poverty is going to be rife I dread to think the amount of people who will be choosing between food or heating this year.
Aibu to think this country has gone to shit of the likes we have not seen for a long time.
I am lower income and feel like I can't afford to live anymore.

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Roussette · 09/10/2021 21:11

YABU it would be worse with Jeremy Corbyn

How long till we have a JC comment lol

luckylavender · 09/10/2021 21:12

@jgw1 - Corbyn has gone now. It's a tired old argument. Move on. And you can't prove it anyway. Difficult to see how anyone could be worse.

baroqueandblue · 09/10/2021 21:12

Yes. Media - government - what's the difference really? Largely in cahoots as the same lying, manipulative, self-serving force.

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Ilovegreentomatoes · 09/10/2021 21:12

@Marguerite2000 yes let's just ignore the rise in poverty and food banks and homelessness and just pretend it's not happening.

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GreenLunchBox · 09/10/2021 21:13

@ThirdElephant

I think there are teething problems certainly, and COVID definitely hasn't helped matters!

What will make the difference going forward is if we actually force businesses to pay people a fair wage with decent working conditions, or whether the government capitulate to the businesses and allow them to continue to bring in cheap labour from overseas so that they can maximise profits.

Will be ridiculous if they bring immigrants back from the EU but we've lost our FOM. What an almighty fuck up. It's the worst of all worlds, surely
RonaLisa · 09/10/2021 21:13

Brexit was bad, and the overreaction to Covid has been the final nail in the coffin. People who weren't financially struggling pre-Covid certainly are now (oh, unless they lived in nice leafy areas in big houses with gardens and several screens and brilliant online school provision and could enjoy baking fucking banana bread while on furlough).

Hulkynothunky · 09/10/2021 21:14

@Roussette

YABU it would be worse with Jeremy Corbyn

How long till we have a JC comment lol

I know right?! Whenever Boris' record gets impossible to defend these fools bring out the JC argument.

FFS we will never know how JC would have done. Let's not compare Boris and his cronies to a fictional government to excuse his mismanagement.

In my job I can't just say oh someone else would have done worse than me to excuse my mistakes! I think we should hold the pm to higher standards than that.

GreenLunchBox · 09/10/2021 21:14

@Suzi888

Humans have happened, with their panic buying ways!

I can’t see that many people genuinely having to choose between food and heating and if they are, then they need to take a good look at their expenses.
My job involves working with people who are struggling and when you sit down to look at their finances, there are astronomical sky tv packages, mobile phone packages, personal ‘grooming’ costs, cigarettes, alcohol, constant minor home improvement costs (new rugs, sofas, colour schemes etc.) Brand new cars, designer clothing… maybe I’ve been in the field too long!

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Ilovegreentomatoes · 09/10/2021 21:14

I'm sorry but even with Jeremy Corbyn in power I feel things would of been better.
How could anyone of done worse than that clown boris?

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BunsyGirl · 09/10/2021 21:15

So, I’m looking at holidays for next year. None of them in the U.K. Prices have increased significantly…is that Brexit?! No!! My three year old car is going up in value rather than down! Great, except that I can’t afford to buy another as they are going up on price too. Is that Brexit, no! There’s a Worldwide shortage of microchips that’s causing problems in the car industry…

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antoniawhite · 09/10/2021 21:16

@Roussette

YABU it would be worse with Jeremy Corbyn

How long till we have a JC comment lol

Yeah, that Corbyn bastard would totally have spaffed £37 billion to his mates. Probably double that amount.

FFS.

GreenLunchBox · 09/10/2021 21:17

@FreeBritnee

Also we now apparently don’t have enough wind to power the bloody turbines!!! Climate change has influenced this across Europe. Plus why is it like summer in October? This all feels like it’s happening so fast.
I was commenting to DS that it's weird we're both sitting here at night in t-shirts without the heating on. I've also got the window open from when I cooked earlier and it's not cold at all. I've usually got the heating on from September Confused
BunsyGirl · 09/10/2021 21:17

I’ve ordered a few items of furniture this year that took weeks and weeks to arrive…Brexit?! No, my fault for buying things that were made in China which I usually avoid (and stick to European brands) but have been trying to save some pennies after being furloughed for five months last year…

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Ilovegreentomatoes · 09/10/2021 21:17

@Marguerite2000 wankfest 🤣🤣🤣

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MidnightMeltdown · 09/10/2021 21:18

@Rosewaterblossom

It's a case of since the mid 2000s, cheap foreign labour has been in abundance. Now businesses have to actually pay living wages to people instead of cheap labour, people are starting to realise : oh shit, that's why wages are actually so shit.. because foreign labour was cheap, now employers have to pay living wages to brits but don't want to.

This exactly. Too many companies have been making millions in profit while paying their workers a pittance, and then the taxpayer has to pick up the tab in the form of universal credit. It's an absolute disgrace. I'm pleased that Amazon etc are having to up wages. It's about time that we saw some decent wage rises in this country.

zoemum2006 · 09/10/2021 21:18

@BunsyGirl

Brexit isn't to blame for everything terrible in the world but the crappy deal has meant we are less able to handle problems as they come along.

Why the government thought inflicting this deal on us in the middle of a pandemic was the right thing to do I'll never know!

Hulkynothunky · 09/10/2021 21:18

overreaction to Covid

Not to derail the thread but I do think you should choose your words more carefully. Whether you agree with lockdowns or not you cannot dismiss covid as something we've overreacted to. Millions across the globe are dead. That's not to say the economic consequences of lockdown haven't been a disaster too. But you could probably argue undereacting to covid/slow responses have led to worse outcomes.

WorraLiberty · 09/10/2021 21:18

[quote Ilovegreentomatoes]@Marguerite2000 yes let's just ignore the rise in poverty and food banks and homelessness and just pretend it's not happening.[/quote]
Pretending it's not happening is just as bad as scaremongering, as you're doing in your OP.

baroqueandblue · 09/10/2021 21:19

Oh yes, the "but Corbyn" fallacy. Try pointing the finger at the twats who are actually doing the damage, as we speak. No? Then please tell me why, without deflecting to that mythical reality where someone who isn't Boris Johnson got in Hmm

Didn't think so.

BoredZelda · 09/10/2021 21:19

b) if wages go up then businesses logically will pass costs onto the consumer - so prices will go up. So how is that improving matters?

You’re right about the public sector but loads of research shows this isn’t an issue. If prices go up, that’s ok, as long as people’s wages go up with them, which, if you pay enough people a living wage, is what actually happens.

Roussette · 09/10/2021 21:19

Yeah, that Corbyn bastard would totally have spaffed £37 billion to his mates. Probably double that amount

Yeah right Hmm

cloud cuckoo land

wherearemychickens · 09/10/2021 21:19

I'm worried Johnson and Frost are going to walk away from the commitments they've signed up to in the NI protocol and the EU are going to play hardball - understandably so, particularly if what Johnson does impacts on Ireland's position in the single market. Hardball could include basically moving to a no deal scenario. Then we really will be fucked. And of course Johnson will have his EU enemy and papers like the Mail doing his work for him whipping up anti-EU sentiment. Doesn't lead to a good place, that scenario.

Suzi888 · 09/10/2021 21:19

You live within your means @BoredZelda. If you overspend then that results in you being poor/running out of cash. No matter how much money you have to start with.

DdraigGoch · 09/10/2021 21:20

@Suzi888

Humans have happened, with their panic buying ways!

I can’t see that many people genuinely having to choose between food and heating and if they are, then they need to take a good look at their expenses.
My job involves working with people who are struggling and when you sit down to look at their finances, there are astronomical sky tv packages, mobile phone packages, personal ‘grooming’ costs, cigarettes, alcohol, constant minor home improvement costs (new rugs, sofas, colour schemes etc.) Brand new cars, designer clothing… maybe I’ve been in the field too long!

Watch out, you'll be lynched for saying that on here!