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Ilovegreentomatoes · 09/10/2021 19:58

What is happening to the uk? No food on the shelves, the cost of living has become extortionate coupled with stagnating wages it seems this is a country where unless your in the higher income bracket you really can't afford to live anymore.
Poverty is going to be rife I dread to think the amount of people who will be choosing between food or heating this year.
Aibu to think this country has gone to shit of the likes we have not seen for a long time.
I am lower income and feel like I can't afford to live anymore.

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Thewiseoneincognito · 10/10/2021 00:13

@Dontcallmejacqui

I see a lot of people blaming anything but Brexit and suggesting other countries have it as bad or worse.

Here's a TV review of Bake Off from Ireland. I don't know how the humour will translate but it's not a review that would be printed in a country that also has empty shelves and fuel queues.

So, just for a bit of perspective (and because it's a great read Grin)

Patrick Freyne
The Great British Bake Off (Tuesday, Channel 4) is how Britain likes to see itself. Each year the show presents us with a bunch of polite, eccentric, multicultural craftsfolk in a big tent replete with food, fuel and Union Jack bunting and implies that this is the real Britain. Then we turn on GB News and see the actual citizens of that blighted isle, light-headed with supply shortages and Facebook memes, sucking Soylent Green from a pipe in the fulfilment centre where everyone works now in the absence of employment law, trade deals or hope.

The real Britain gets Boris Johnson, a prematurely aged toddler pumped full of regret, lies and leaking attic insulation. Bake Off gets the veteran judge Paul Hollywood, his eyes as blue as sadness and his beard as white as an angel’s wing. Johnson’s faithless handshake is like being grazed by some strands of wet hair. Hollywood’s affirming handshake is like being gripped by the full force of your father’s love.

In the real Britain, people come to blows over supply shortages. On Bake Off they’ve so much food they’ve thought of some fanciful experiments to do with it. The Great British Bake Off is soundtracked by whimsical pizzicato string motifs. The real Britain is soundtracked by a shock jock moaning into a water pipe in a basement flat. Britain is basically The Great British Bake Off’s portrait in the attic.

I doubted the Channel 4 iteration of GBBO for a time. I thought the pairing of Matt Lucas, who is short and smooth, and Noel Fielding, who is long and shaggy, might cause us all to overdose on comedic whimsy after so long in the company of the no-nonsense joke symbiote Mel-and-Sue.

Similarly, I thought no one could replace the ethereal gaze of the former judge Mary Berry, a woman named after both the mother of Christ and a popular cake filling. In reality, it was strangely fitting when she was replaced by a middle-class woman in quirky spectacles named Prue. I mean, are not all British campaign managers, advertisers and demagogues trying to appeal to middle-class women in quirky spectacles named Prue?

This week in the big Bake Off circus tent it’s bread week, quite literally bread and circuses for the people at home who forgot to stockpile bread and are looking hungrily at their least favourite child (probably David). Bread is Paul Hollywood’s speciality. He is a bread king from the land of bread, and I’m fully prepared to believe he has, in his home, a perfectly baked “bread wife”.

If not, I imagine there will be a future episode in which people are tasked to make Paul a bread wife. And if not, I am now pitching a television drama called Paul Hollywood’s Bread Wife, which will surely be a smash hit (think The Snowman, but on HBO).

Anyway, the first test of the day is to create the Italian savoury treat focaccia. This round is won by an Italian called Giuseppe, which feels unfair somehow, like me winning at microwaving soup. But Paul Hollywood is impressed and delivers one of his much-coveted handshakes. For the rest of his life Giuseppe will think of this moment and yearn to be back there, his slim hand clasped in Paul’s comforting flesh bindle, all things well with the world.

The big task of the episode is to bake food that looks like other food – chicken, pork, fruit, fish, a baby – but is in fact bread. And so the plucky bakers of Bake Off set to the creation of their “food lies” while Matt and Noel get in their way with food-adjacent clowning and Paul Hollywood and Prue intercede with penetrating stares and judgment.

The Great British Bake Off trades on mild peril. What is at stake here is the possibility someone might bake something less than perfect and will thus be evicted from this cakey idyll, forced to return to the cursed badlands beyond the big tent (Essex). In The Great British Bake Off only the least useful people are asked to leave. Those who can bake well or have an HGV licence are invited to stay.

The brilliance of that review is mind blowing.

It is spot on, GBBO is exactly how Britain likes to see itself, unfortunately rather than a lovely tent with bunting and craftsfolk using lots of plentiful ingredients our Britain is a broken gazebo on a cold drizzly day with no one present to make anything with the ingredients we’ve almost run out of.

Dontgetyerknicksinatwist · 10/10/2021 00:13

There are a lot of factors at play here. Brexit is just one of them. One of the main issues has been poor planning and not enough long-term planning. Yes go ahead and do a bit of Tory bashing if it makes you feel good. My god they have managed to create quite a few cock ups. However Labour should have been able to use this to their full advantage and they have failed immeasurably.

Poor planning, lack of cleaver people in power. Crap opposition.

NeedAHoliday2021 · 10/10/2021 00:14

Only read a couple of pages in but the description doesn’t match my experience at all. I don’t know what I’ve supermarket shelves look like but my weekly shop was £135 and had no substitutions. I’ve also had some useful gp phone appointments (so much more convenient than being out of work for a couple of hours and hoping the gp isn’t running late) but one face to face because the gp triaged me over the phone and wanted to see me to check me in person.

I am concerned about cost of living for the poorest people but let’s not panic - remember the media sell papers by printing the drama.

OnwardsAndSideways1 · 10/10/2021 00:15

It's ridiculous to keep saying 'it's not all Brexit'.

That might be true, there's been a pandemic and Austerity and so forth, but the point is that Brexit is yet another factor in the perfect storm of factors now besetting the Uk, and is making supply problems, labour issues and agility in the face of a changing market-place just that much worse.

Brexit is the icing on the already shitty cake.

Problems multiply and have knock-on effects, they are cumulative, that's why everyone is super-pissed off at Brexit because it's making a bad situation even worse and will tip millions into worse poverty. Even worse, this was actually acknowledged even by those who were promoting Brexit, that it would take decades to get to where we should be, but they just couldn't reverse the ship and so we sailed on to our doom. If we had known the worldwide pandemic was coming, then upsetting and problematising your trade routes, supply chains and labour market is the absolutely last thing you would have wanted to have done.

But we did.

I say this every time on these threads, and this isn't only a Brexit related thing, but the Uk also looks shitty- streets are dirty, vegetation not cut back, parks wild, pot holes everywhere, when they mend the road it's a bodge job, everything just looks unkempt and uncared for. I would love to see a focused programme of regeneration of the national fabric of society, so roads, parks, etc, not just for the jobs it would generate, but to send a clear message to everyone; we don't live in a shithole; currently it looks like we do (and if you go to places like Belgium which are so darn clean and tidy...even my husband's Eastern European country which used to be so poor looks in much better shape now than most of the UK).

Blossomtoes · 10/10/2021 00:19

@2Two

I find it quite extraordinary that we are accepting a situation where, day after day, we have more covid cases than every other country, including countries with a much bigger population than ours. What on earth is going on?
We test more. It’s as simple as that.

Brilliant piece @Dontcallmejacqui. Incredibly perceptive and superbly written.

Dontgetyerknicksinatwist · 10/10/2021 00:20

And I think the government’s plan to scrap the £20 uplift to universal credit is absolutely heartless. How can they possibly justify this when peoples heating bills alone are set to rise by 35%? Some people will be pushed over the edge and I’m really worried for them

wherearemychickens · 10/10/2021 00:21

That is completely one of my bugbears Onwards - we just don't put enough money into to public infrastructure. The litter by the sides of roads is horrendous.

wherearemychickens · 10/10/2021 00:21

10 years of austerity have really done a number on this country

Thewiseoneincognito · 10/10/2021 00:22

@OnwardsAndSideways1

It's ridiculous to keep saying 'it's not all Brexit'.

That might be true, there's been a pandemic and Austerity and so forth, but the point is that Brexit is yet another factor in the perfect storm of factors now besetting the Uk, and is making supply problems, labour issues and agility in the face of a changing market-place just that much worse.

Brexit is the icing on the already shitty cake.

Problems multiply and have knock-on effects, they are cumulative, that's why everyone is super-pissed off at Brexit because it's making a bad situation even worse and will tip millions into worse poverty. Even worse, this was actually acknowledged even by those who were promoting Brexit, that it would take decades to get to where we should be, but they just couldn't reverse the ship and so we sailed on to our doom. If we had known the worldwide pandemic was coming, then upsetting and problematising your trade routes, supply chains and labour market is the absolutely last thing you would have wanted to have done.

But we did.

I say this every time on these threads, and this isn't only a Brexit related thing, but the Uk also looks shitty- streets are dirty, vegetation not cut back, parks wild, pot holes everywhere, when they mend the road it's a bodge job, everything just looks unkempt and uncared for. I would love to see a focused programme of regeneration of the national fabric of society, so roads, parks, etc, not just for the jobs it would generate, but to send a clear message to everyone; we don't live in a shithole; currently it looks like we do (and if you go to places like Belgium which are so darn clean and tidy...even my husband's Eastern European country which used to be so poor looks in much better shape now than most of the UK).

ALL OF THIS
wherearemychickens · 10/10/2021 00:23

We lead the world in facilitating corruption too. And the arms sales. All very depressing. And we appear to be selling farmers down the river this year, so we will be more dependant on imports, only next year to impose import controls, hampering our ability to import. Mad.

TatianaBis · 10/10/2021 00:26

A key reason not to Brexit is in case we had a random once in a 100 year pandemic.

Unexpected financial catastrophes happen - see the financial crisis. Thus it’s a good idea not to fuck up your own economy so you have no leeway in a crisis.

Thewiseoneincognito · 10/10/2021 00:28

@wherearemychickens

That is completely one of my bugbears Onwards - we just don't put enough money into to public infrastructure. The litter by the sides of roads is horrendous.
Not enough money, councils don’t care very much and frankly our fellow Brits don’t care either so will freely litter and make the place look a mess. The problem is we ignore our potential. Brexit is showing the world what we truly are and that’s a grubby little island filled with resentment and an ego only worthy of nations twice our size.

I can only hope the younger generations realise how those who voted to hold them back on the worlds stage really had no clue and made mistakes that must be corrected.

LexMitior · 10/10/2021 00:31

Well it also doesn't help to leave a huge trading bloc when as a country you have to negotiate for things like supplies like gas. Does anyone think that we have more clout or less since we left the EU?

Yes in a decade we will have moved on, but it will be big geopolitical advances and alliances that we make. All domestic spending will be trying to get back to where we were in 2010. Running and paying more tax to stay still.

I do understand that some Conservatives will do well, but many more who were persuaded to vote for them will find they've been had, as have their children.

Wazzzzzzzup · 10/10/2021 00:42

Not enough money, councils don’t care very much and frankly our fellow Brits don’t care either so will freely litter and make the place look a mess. The problem is we ignore our potential. Brexit is showing the world what we truly are and that’s a grubby little island filled with resentment and an ego only worthy of nations twice our size.

Fucking hell😳 that's the most accurate description ever

Peregrina · 10/10/2021 00:45

but it will be big geopolitical advances and alliances that we make.

Oh yes, so we are now desperately trying to pretend that we are a Pacific nation - instead of an island nation in the North Atlantic.

1forAll74 · 10/10/2021 00:51

Someone up thread, said it was like going back to the 1970's.. well no, it was ok then, but the 1940's were not good, when I was growing up. I won't go in a rant about it though, as anyone older will know what I mean.

baroqueandblue · 10/10/2021 00:53

lack of cleaver people in power

Au contraire - plenty of thinly-disguised, bloodthirsty axemen in power, chopping the country up for offal.

Peregrina · 10/10/2021 00:57

For half of the 1940s people were fighting a war. After which the country was bankrupt - but it did give rise to the welfare state so at least there was a sense of wanting to build a more equal society.

We have now had people see a cut of £20 a week in UC while the Father of the House whinges that £82,000 isn't enough.

TheEvilPea · 10/10/2021 02:02

@OnwardsAndSideways1

It's ridiculous to keep saying 'it's not all Brexit'.

That might be true, there's been a pandemic and Austerity and so forth, but the point is that Brexit is yet another factor in the perfect storm of factors now besetting the Uk, and is making supply problems, labour issues and agility in the face of a changing market-place just that much worse.

Brexit is the icing on the already shitty cake.

Problems multiply and have knock-on effects, they are cumulative, that's why everyone is super-pissed off at Brexit because it's making a bad situation even worse and will tip millions into worse poverty. Even worse, this was actually acknowledged even by those who were promoting Brexit, that it would take decades to get to where we should be, but they just couldn't reverse the ship and so we sailed on to our doom. If we had known the worldwide pandemic was coming, then upsetting and problematising your trade routes, supply chains and labour market is the absolutely last thing you would have wanted to have done.

But we did.

I say this every time on these threads, and this isn't only a Brexit related thing, but the Uk also looks shitty- streets are dirty, vegetation not cut back, parks wild, pot holes everywhere, when they mend the road it's a bodge job, everything just looks unkempt and uncared for. I would love to see a focused programme of regeneration of the national fabric of society, so roads, parks, etc, not just for the jobs it would generate, but to send a clear message to everyone; we don't live in a shithole; currently it looks like we do (and if you go to places like Belgium which are so darn clean and tidy...even my husband's Eastern European country which used to be so poor looks in much better shape now than most of the UK).

Absolutely!!!! 👏👏👏👏
TheEvilPea · 10/10/2021 02:04

@Dontcallmejacqui

I see a lot of people blaming anything but Brexit and suggesting other countries have it as bad or worse.

Here's a TV review of Bake Off from Ireland. I don't know how the humour will translate but it's not a review that would be printed in a country that also has empty shelves and fuel queues.

So, just for a bit of perspective (and because it's a great read Grin)

Patrick Freyne
The Great British Bake Off (Tuesday, Channel 4) is how Britain likes to see itself. Each year the show presents us with a bunch of polite, eccentric, multicultural craftsfolk in a big tent replete with food, fuel and Union Jack bunting and implies that this is the real Britain. Then we turn on GB News and see the actual citizens of that blighted isle, light-headed with supply shortages and Facebook memes, sucking Soylent Green from a pipe in the fulfilment centre where everyone works now in the absence of employment law, trade deals or hope.

The real Britain gets Boris Johnson, a prematurely aged toddler pumped full of regret, lies and leaking attic insulation. Bake Off gets the veteran judge Paul Hollywood, his eyes as blue as sadness and his beard as white as an angel’s wing. Johnson’s faithless handshake is like being grazed by some strands of wet hair. Hollywood’s affirming handshake is like being gripped by the full force of your father’s love.

In the real Britain, people come to blows over supply shortages. On Bake Off they’ve so much food they’ve thought of some fanciful experiments to do with it. The Great British Bake Off is soundtracked by whimsical pizzicato string motifs. The real Britain is soundtracked by a shock jock moaning into a water pipe in a basement flat. Britain is basically The Great British Bake Off’s portrait in the attic.

I doubted the Channel 4 iteration of GBBO for a time. I thought the pairing of Matt Lucas, who is short and smooth, and Noel Fielding, who is long and shaggy, might cause us all to overdose on comedic whimsy after so long in the company of the no-nonsense joke symbiote Mel-and-Sue.

Similarly, I thought no one could replace the ethereal gaze of the former judge Mary Berry, a woman named after both the mother of Christ and a popular cake filling. In reality, it was strangely fitting when she was replaced by a middle-class woman in quirky spectacles named Prue. I mean, are not all British campaign managers, advertisers and demagogues trying to appeal to middle-class women in quirky spectacles named Prue?

This week in the big Bake Off circus tent it’s bread week, quite literally bread and circuses for the people at home who forgot to stockpile bread and are looking hungrily at their least favourite child (probably David). Bread is Paul Hollywood’s speciality. He is a bread king from the land of bread, and I’m fully prepared to believe he has, in his home, a perfectly baked “bread wife”.

If not, I imagine there will be a future episode in which people are tasked to make Paul a bread wife. And if not, I am now pitching a television drama called Paul Hollywood’s Bread Wife, which will surely be a smash hit (think The Snowman, but on HBO).

Anyway, the first test of the day is to create the Italian savoury treat focaccia. This round is won by an Italian called Giuseppe, which feels unfair somehow, like me winning at microwaving soup. But Paul Hollywood is impressed and delivers one of his much-coveted handshakes. For the rest of his life Giuseppe will think of this moment and yearn to be back there, his slim hand clasped in Paul’s comforting flesh bindle, all things well with the world.

The big task of the episode is to bake food that looks like other food – chicken, pork, fruit, fish, a baby – but is in fact bread. And so the plucky bakers of Bake Off set to the creation of their “food lies” while Matt and Noel get in their way with food-adjacent clowning and Paul Hollywood and Prue intercede with penetrating stares and judgment.

The Great British Bake Off trades on mild peril. What is at stake here is the possibility someone might bake something less than perfect and will thus be evicted from this cakey idyll, forced to return to the cursed badlands beyond the big tent (Essex). In The Great British Bake Off only the least useful people are asked to leave. Those who can bake well or have an HGV licence are invited to stay.

😂😂
TheEvilPea · 10/10/2021 02:10

About revolution - it’s not true the England hasn’t had a revolution - that’s another name for the Civil War.

King tried to rule without Parliament, Parliament fought to get him to negotiate, he wouldn’t so he was executed by extremists.

Hmmm... interesting parallels to recent attempts to disband Parliament illegally and criminal misleading of the head of State.

And yet here we still are with the buffoon at the helm. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤯

immersivereader · 10/10/2021 02:11

Yup, I'm glad I moved abroad ten years ago to be honest. Things don't seem particularly promising

immersivereader · 10/10/2021 02:13

Not enough money, councils don’t care very much and frankly our fellow Brits don’t care either so will freely litter and make the place look a mess. The problem is we ignore our potential. Brexit is showing the world what we truly are and that’s a grubby little island filled with resentment and an ego only worthy of nations twice our size

^

All ego, no substance.

TheEvilPea · 10/10/2021 02:13

Petrol stations in my area never ran out of fuel and I think didn’t in majority of areas. Shortage of fuel was very localised. LONDON. Media made this out to be countrywide.

I don't live in London. There was no fuel here. There still isn't unless you fancy queuing for ages.

My family live hundreds of miles away and there was no fuel there either.

Or even further away in multiple directions where some other friends of mine live.

You can't extrapolate what is the case in your local commumity to be true across an entire country or the world in general.

TheEvilPea · 10/10/2021 02:21

If only private sector wages rise then how do these workers deal with price hikes? Not everyone in the public sector is a high wage earner. Like I said before this 'high wage economy' stuff is a soundbite - if Boris genuinely believed it in he would have to increase public sector pay. But in most cases he's giving the public sector a pay freeze

Absolutely. Some of the most important and responsibl jobs in the country and with inflation at 3-4% plus a pay freeze everyone doing those jobs is getting a 3-4% pay CUT this year. If the PM wants to see a "high wage economy, highly skilled economy" why is he cutting salaries for a large proportion of the highly skilled workers in the economy? ConfusedHmm