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UK has gone to shit.

527 replies

Ilovegreentomatoes · 09/10/2021 19:58

What is happening to the uk? No food on the shelves, the cost of living has become extortionate coupled with stagnating wages it seems this is a country where unless your in the higher income bracket you really can't afford to live anymore.
Poverty is going to be rife I dread to think the amount of people who will be choosing between food or heating this year.
Aibu to think this country has gone to shit of the likes we have not seen for a long time.
I am lower income and feel like I can't afford to live anymore.

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Hulkynothunky · 09/10/2021 23:34

[quote BunsyGirl]@Hulkynothunky I gave three examples originally but that one was seized upon by other posters who tried to argue that I was wrong. I wasn’t and I have given clear arguments as to why I wasn’t. In fact, their reactions shows just how people are blaming Brexit for everything without considering other reasons.[/quote]
I think you are all as bad as each other. It's a combination of reasons.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 09/10/2021 23:36

@Garriet

Petrol stations in my area never ran out of fuel and I think didn’t in majority of areas. Shortage of fuel was very localised. LONDON. Media made this out to be countrywide.

I’m nowhere near London, not a scrap of fuel in my town or the neighbouring town for over a week, still a struggle to get any now. But sure, assume because it was fine for you it was just the mythical “London”.

Im hours away from london

There were huge queues/no petrol for weeks

Still isn’t back to normal

Penfield · 09/10/2021 23:37

Jeremy Corbyns Labour Party Manifesto was a plan. A workable plan.
Boris and Co. didn’t have a plan, but got voted in anyway.

Boris and Co still don't have a plan now. I wasn't fan of Corbyn but his plan was a damn site better than this Tory government's non plan.

Fordian · 09/10/2021 23:38

[quote BunsyGirl]@Hulkynothunky I gave three examples originally but that one was seized upon by other posters who tried to argue that I was wrong. I wasn’t and I have given clear arguments as to why I wasn’t. In fact, their reactions shows just how people are blaming Brexit for everything without considering other reasons.[/quote]
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bunsy; we recognise the unfortunate convergency of 'many factors' that have brought us to where we are.

Your contributions have pretty much been it's not Brexit it's not Brexit it's not Brexit!!!! - and you have, correctly, been called out for it. This is why people have corrected your assertion that it's not Brexit! when, clearly, Brexit has played a starring role in what is unfolding before us.

BunsyGirl · 09/10/2021 23:38

@TatianaBis Shall I say it again…2019. Never mentioned 2016. I wonder what’s happened since 2019 that’s devastated the tourism industry. I must ask my friends that work for major airlines and holiday companies…well, the one’s that still have jobs…

LexMitior · 09/10/2021 23:39

@Fordian

lexmitior and, where's the 'on the ground' commitment to high quality education, training, preceptorships, apprenticeships?

Eleven years of Tory rule.

The latter? (apprenticeships). My DH works in a huge waste disposal company (in IT). They pay the apprenticeship levy. They have tried over three years to set up apprenticeships (in help-desk IT); but, every time, the 'academic content provider' has turned out to be some bogus, Tory 'grant' fuelled non-existent shell company with no actual academic 'content' to offer; 'office' in some derelict downtown high rise with dial-up, more or less. Who then goes bust. Year after year.

They've given up, and see the AL as 'just another tax'.

Exactly - what the Government has gone is to drive up costs to business, and at the same time, do nothing, absolutely nothing to improve education and training for business. What jobs?

Nothing. It will consist of a few regional offices for government departments, and a lot of puff. That's it. There is no money for any of this stuff was promised.

You will have the opportunity to get into massive debt, however.

Brindle88 · 09/10/2021 23:42

It has. There should be a way of removing a government this horrendous.

JustSinginInTheRain · 09/10/2021 23:42

The people who voted for the hair shirt are the very ones who will have to wear it.

Bizarre.

Saoirse82 · 09/10/2021 23:42

@Ilovegreentomatoes

And also boris should be hanging his head in shame at the absolute state of this country under mainly tory rule and basically the mess he has made whilst being our prime minister.
The people who vote for these wankers ought to hang their heads in shame too.
BunsyGirl · 09/10/2021 23:43

@Fordian No, I haven’t correctly been called out for it. I gave specific examples which people then tried to blame on Brexit because that is their first response to anything which is having a negative impact. All politically motivated.

TatianaBis · 09/10/2021 23:44

[quote BunsyGirl]@TatianaBis Shall I say it again…2019. Never mentioned 2016. I wonder what’s happened since 2019 that’s devastated the tourism industry. I must ask my friends that work for major airlines and holiday companies…well, the one’s that still have jobs…[/quote]
I wouldn’t bother saying it again as it’s clear what your agenda is.

Do you accept that the price rises post 2016 referendum were directly linked to the crash of the pound?

BunsyGirl · 09/10/2021 23:46

@Hulkynothunky Not the specific examples that I gave. I have never tried to argue that Brexit hasn’t caused problems but it didn’t cause the ones that I was talking about.

Peregrina · 09/10/2021 23:46

The Tories themselves will kick Boris out long before the next election. The MPs in marginal seats will be getting worried about losing their seats.

We can live in hope, but who will replace him? Truss, Patel, Raab, Gove - Sunak is the favourite at the moment, but as probably the richest man in Government, he doesn't exactly know how ordinary people manage day to day.

lolliwillowes · 09/10/2021 23:48

I can’t see that many people genuinely having to choose between food and heating and if they are, then they need to take a good look at their expenses

what an ignorant prole you are.

BunsyGirl · 09/10/2021 23:51

@TatianaBis as I said earlier, I priced up three holidays that we went on in 2019 for the same dates in 2022. All significantly more expensive for 2022. Nothing to do with exchange rates because they are the same or better since 2019. But yes, I have definitely got an agenda. My agenda is supporting my friends whose livelihoods have been destroyed due to the impact of Covid.

Thewiseoneincognito · 09/10/2021 23:51

I wonder when people will start crying out to rejoin the EU? It’s bound to happen sooner or later. I think things could start bubbling over once it becomes apparent just how dismal Christmas will be for so many due to food shortages, distribution issues and increasing prices. BJs comedy routines can only stretch so far before the patience of the electorate runs out.

TatianaBis · 09/10/2021 23:53

@BunsyGirl you didn’t answer the question.

LexMitior · 09/10/2021 23:55

I think a lot of posters don't remember the 1970s and 80s when there was a lot of poverty and people did choose between heating and eating.

Also housing, wages and education were rather better then. They are nowhere near as good now. There's less chance of social mobility now, less chance for your kids than then. That is not going to change in the next three years before the election. I mean, presumably the Brexit voter thought, yes, its decades before you see the benefits?

These supply chain problems and employment issues, we have are baked in to how we left the EU, and they are not going to go away. NI is okay. That's because they are still effectively in the EU when it comes to supply and get the benefits.

wherearemychickens · 09/10/2021 23:59

NI is okay until Frost and Johnson decide to do away with the protocol - because the fact that NI is okay and hasn't got the shortages makes it a bit obvious that the reason we have is a hard brexit, vs the brexit lite that NI has.

So then we'll be a country you can't trust at all. Yet more tanking of our international reputation.

Dontcallmejacqui · 09/10/2021 23:59

I see a lot of people blaming anything but Brexit and suggesting other countries have it as bad or worse.

Here's a TV review of Bake Off from Ireland. I don't know how the humour will translate but it's not a review that would be printed in a country that also has empty shelves and fuel queues.

So, just for a bit of perspective (and because it's a great read Grin)

Patrick Freyne
The Great British Bake Off (Tuesday, Channel 4) is how Britain likes to see itself. Each year the show presents us with a bunch of polite, eccentric, multicultural craftsfolk in a big tent replete with food, fuel and Union Jack bunting and implies that this is the real Britain. Then we turn on GB News and see the actual citizens of that blighted isle, light-headed with supply shortages and Facebook memes, sucking Soylent Green from a pipe in the fulfilment centre where everyone works now in the absence of employment law, trade deals or hope.

The real Britain gets Boris Johnson, a prematurely aged toddler pumped full of regret, lies and leaking attic insulation. Bake Off gets the veteran judge Paul Hollywood, his eyes as blue as sadness and his beard as white as an angel’s wing. Johnson’s faithless handshake is like being grazed by some strands of wet hair. Hollywood’s affirming handshake is like being gripped by the full force of your father’s love.

In the real Britain, people come to blows over supply shortages. On Bake Off they’ve so much food they’ve thought of some fanciful experiments to do with it. The Great British Bake Off is soundtracked by whimsical pizzicato string motifs. The real Britain is soundtracked by a shock jock moaning into a water pipe in a basement flat. Britain is basically The Great British Bake Off’s portrait in the attic.

I doubted the Channel 4 iteration of GBBO for a time. I thought the pairing of Matt Lucas, who is short and smooth, and Noel Fielding, who is long and shaggy, might cause us all to overdose on comedic whimsy after so long in the company of the no-nonsense joke symbiote Mel-and-Sue.

Similarly, I thought no one could replace the ethereal gaze of the former judge Mary Berry, a woman named after both the mother of Christ and a popular cake filling. In reality, it was strangely fitting when she was replaced by a middle-class woman in quirky spectacles named Prue. I mean, are not all British campaign managers, advertisers and demagogues trying to appeal to middle-class women in quirky spectacles named Prue?

This week in the big Bake Off circus tent it’s bread week, quite literally bread and circuses for the people at home who forgot to stockpile bread and are looking hungrily at their least favourite child (probably David). Bread is Paul Hollywood’s speciality. He is a bread king from the land of bread, and I’m fully prepared to believe he has, in his home, a perfectly baked “bread wife”.

If not, I imagine there will be a future episode in which people are tasked to make Paul a bread wife. And if not, I am now pitching a television drama called Paul Hollywood’s Bread Wife, which will surely be a smash hit (think The Snowman, but on HBO).

Anyway, the first test of the day is to create the Italian savoury treat focaccia. This round is won by an Italian called Giuseppe, which feels unfair somehow, like me winning at microwaving soup. But Paul Hollywood is impressed and delivers one of his much-coveted handshakes. For the rest of his life Giuseppe will think of this moment and yearn to be back there, his slim hand clasped in Paul’s comforting flesh bindle, all things well with the world.

The big task of the episode is to bake food that looks like other food – chicken, pork, fruit, fish, a baby – but is in fact bread. And so the plucky bakers of Bake Off set to the creation of their “food lies” while Matt and Noel get in their way with food-adjacent clowning and Paul Hollywood and Prue intercede with penetrating stares and judgment.

The Great British Bake Off trades on mild peril. What is at stake here is the possibility someone might bake something less than perfect and will thus be evicted from this cakey idyll, forced to return to the cursed badlands beyond the big tent (Essex). In The Great British Bake Off only the least useful people are asked to leave. Those who can bake well or have an HGV licence are invited to stay.

2Two · 10/10/2021 00:02

*Petrol stations in my area never ran out of fuel and I think didn’t in majority of areas.

The second part of that statement is simply not true, and I strongly doubt that the first part is, unless you did a comprehensive survey of local petrol stations, @mantlepiece. Bear in mind that just because you saw cars in front of a local garage as you drove past, it doesn't mean that they had a full supply of every type of fuel needed.

2Two · 10/10/2021 00:03

I find it quite extraordinary that we are accepting a situation where, day after day, we have more covid cases than every other country, including countries with a much bigger population than ours. What on earth is going on?

cocavino · 10/10/2021 00:04

People who insist this isn't down to Brexit: is it difficult to cling to this belief in the face of all evidence to the contrary?

BunsyGirl · 10/10/2021 00:04

@TatianaBis no, because you are trying to manipulate what I said. I have only ever talked about post-2019 price rises which have nothing to do with Brexit. I have had two or three holidays abroad for the last 15 years and there have been various increases over that period, for example, we lost out in 2008 due to the crash which meant that the cost of our pre-booked holiday to the States dramatically increased as we were paying for hotels on exit in dollars. However, the most significant increases we have experienced are the ones we are seeing now. We’re talking about costs increasing by over 100% in some cases. Far greater than the % decrease in the pound that we have seen in either the 2008 crash or 2016 following the Brexit vote. And that is 100% since 2019 post-Brexit.

BunsyGirl · 10/10/2021 00:07

@cocavino And do you really believe that some of the problems we are suffering have nothing to do with a once in a century pandemic?!

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