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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask how you can justify using a woodburner in a city or town

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MojoMoon · 09/10/2021 09:39

www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/09/eco-wood-stoves-emit-pollution-hgv-ecodesign?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

New wood burning stoves billed as more environmentally friendly still emit 750 times more tiny particle pollution than a modern HGV truck, a report has shown.

Only stoves that meet the ecodesign standard can be legally sold from the start of 2022 in the UK and EU, but experts said the regulation was shockingly weak.

The report used data on the emissions produced by stoves in perfect laboratory conditions and the pollution could be even higher in everyday use, the researchers said, with older stoves being much worse.

Tiny particle pollution – called PM2.5 – is especially harmful to health as it can pass through the lungs into the bloodstream and then be carried around the body and lodge in organs. At least 40 ,000 early deaths a year are attributed to wood burning in Europe.

Wood burners also triple the level of harmful pollution inside homes and should be sold with a health warning, said the scientist behind a study published in December. The researchers advised that the stoves should not be used around elderly people or children.

The government may have banned the burning of wet wood but has no plans to ban the sale of woodburners, despite the fact that the 8pc of homes that use them are almost entirely in cities and can use power or gas for heating. And are almost entirely fairly wealthy households.

(Those of you who live a "very rural" location, to use a common Mumsnet phrase and are entirely off grid may justifiably need one. But the question was cities and towns).

It worries me so few people know how dangerous PM2.5 emissions are, particularly for pregnant women and children.

YANBU: correct, woodburners should be banned in homes in cities and towns asap

YABU: no, they look pretty and who cares about science and health

OP posts:
DotBall · 14/10/2021 10:16

MojoMoon
I’ve read the whole thread and, whilst I won’t ever stop using my open fire in my suburban 1970s house, I was prepared to read about the issues.

It doesn’t resonate with me as my lived experience tells me that my childhood asthma was clearly linked to an unknown allergy to dogs rather than the two coal fires we had going every day in winter (pre-smokeless days).

However, just to point out that your posts come across as strident and evangelistic which will inevitably turn people off. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, as the saying goes.

Mintine · 15/10/2021 08:04

YABU we’ve recently bought a stone built, victorian house and we’re having two stoves fitted. But looking to get rid of the gas boiler all together. Then have an ASHP or if not possible, then an electric boiler, rather than the gas.
I choose not to fly or drive a car, although my husband has a car, it’s used very little.
The stoves will of course be eco design and we will only be burning properly seasoned wood. We had one fitted in our last house and it was fabulous.

Mrsjamin · 16/10/2021 05:44

@Mintine this isn't about climate change primarily, this is about local air quality. You might have thought it was fabulous, just like those who smoked cigarettes in the 70s felt like they looked fabulous, but fabulous they are not. You're putting your head in the sand.

KeflavikAirport · 16/10/2021 07:37

Well, she might think temporarily lowering air quality locally in exchange for reducing carbon emissions is a fair trade off. It wouldn't be a wholly absurd position.

UsedUpUsername · 16/10/2021 14:00

@KeflavikAirport

Well, she might think temporarily lowering air quality locally in exchange for reducing carbon emissions is a fair trade off. It wouldn't be a wholly absurd position.
Wholly absurd. Statistically speaking.

Local air quality is something you actually can control, unlike the carbon policies of foreign countries.

Mrsjamin · 16/10/2021 15:54

@UsedUpUsername exactly. This is something that literally and directly affects your neighbours' health. It's something that you can personally influence.

Mintine · 17/10/2021 08:23

I’m still having them fitted, yes, it might not be about climate change, I’m aware of the small particles emitted, but we need to be warm in a stone built, 180 year old house.

KeflavikAirport · 17/10/2021 08:52

I was reading this morning about a start-up that has developed technology to capture brake pad particulates on cars and tube trains, so hopefully the technology will soon catch up for use with wood burners.

TheEvilPea · 18/10/2021 00:22

@mustlovegin

House coal sales are being banned from May 2023

What if you want a barbacue?

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