To ask if you’ve met an infamous criminal?

[Anon778833]

Did they seem ‘normal’? Or did you get a strange feeling about them?

I was at school with the daughter of Eunice Spry (went to prison for years for horrific abuse of foster children). Very, very unhappy and disturbed family.

@antoniawhite

I was at school with the daughter of Eunice Spry (went to prison for years for horrific abuse of foster children). Very, very unhappy and disturbed family.

I’ve read all the books of the children, such a horrible and wicked woman, so sad all round.

I’ve met Jimmy Savile after I raised money as a 9 year old kid for one of his charities and our class including younger DB’s class saw Jim’ll Fix It being filmed and methim. He was ok, bit grumpy. Years later when the drama re him broke my DM asked us if anything had happened (she was with us I’m sure!) and we both luckily said no.

My DGM’s best female friend and supposedly secret lover danced with the Krays apparently at Catford Dog Track. Said they were lovely but the best friend was from a very rough family. DGM mixed with a few dodgy people after her divorce and wouldn’t surprise me if she met murderers, certainly a few dodgy things happened but luckily I don’t know half of it. DGM worked for Lord Mischcon as office manager when he was a lawyer in Brixton and met Ruth Ellis a few times as he was defending her, said she was a lovely woman, charming, always wore fur coats.

DM’s younger sister was married to an evil man who was a celeb hairstylist and model manager in late 60s/70s who apparently had his ex GFs faces cut (yes charming ) if they left him etc, no idea if he did anything worse but that’s bad enough. He is a nasty piece of work, charming, my dad’s then best friend and could be unpleasant in public too. Thank god they’re divorced now, his sons don’t speak to him. I still don’t go to the area of London he’s moved to for fear of bumping into him.

@DuesToTheDirt

I met Dean Lowe. He murdered a girl I went to school with, Kirby Noden, and wore a necklace made of her teeth.

My word, this is one of the most horrendous things I've read in this thread.

I was going to say the same. Absolutely horrendous

Not infamous but when I was 12/13/14 I was involved in a youth activity where one of the young adult helpers was really odd and gave me the creeps. I recently found out he's now in prison for child sex abuse, including penetration of babies. Looking back, he was fucking weird and shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near children.

My cousin was friends with Joanna Dennehy and I met her a couple of times. Very loud and boisterous, but similar to my cousin so didn't get any weird sense about her.

I think maybe we have met the same person @Griefmonster

I think though that we often just don’t like people for whatever reason, and then when they commit a hideous crime we think”well, I’m not surprised.” Iyswim?

I had a teacher at school who I really couldn’t stand.Most of the kids liked him and the adults did as well. He just had an underlying horrible streak. Years later I found out he’d gone to jail for sexually abusing young boys. Looking back I wouldn’t have associated him with being a paedophile, but that doesn’t change the fact I didn’t like him anyway.

And there are likely people we don’t like who turn out to be nice people. Although I’ll admit that if I don’t like someone at the outset I am very unlikely to change my mind about them.

I have a family member who is a criminal. Notorious for our area but did make the daily Mail!

At the time it floored me. This person was a massive part of my life for 15years.

Looking back there were warning signs though. Little things that I brushed under the carpet. They were an absolute master at living a completely double life and an absolute master at manipulating everyone around them.

It certainly opened my eyes.

Oh Christ there’s something else… in the area where I grew up there were lots of petty criminals. Two brothers known by certain names (not saying here as could be outing). Well one of them was known by a nasty name but said to be lovely and other known by a normal male name. The normal one asked me out but I said no we saw them lots round local pubs. Fast forward a few years open the paper and both brothers were convicted of murdering a local taxi driver who’d been having an affair with wife of a friend of theirs. They took him to countryside, decapitated him and buried him 6 feet under. Sent shudders down all our spines. They’re out now I believe.

My friend assisted on the autopsy of an extremely notorious killer.

I am sorry. But who has a physical fight on the street. It’s not the norm and indeed can kill someone. It’s not unlucky that they got killed. When you go to hit or punch someone you want to hurt them.

So if you were in the street and someone set upon you, you would just stand there and take it? Not fight back?

@Bananarama21are his initials AL by any chance? If so I used to go out with him at school! A very friendly and charming person who everyone loved, but also a pathological liar with some deep seated issues when you got to know him better.

Bev Allitt

The Krays are always amongst the ones people mention first!
A lot of people seem to have crossed their path...

Lots actually. Too outing to give details because of where I live.
But also Rolf Harris. I met him and knew straight away. This was decades ago. I was waiting for it all to come out.
I’ve also seen the man who murdered his beautiful wife on honeymoon and said the car was hijacked. He’s with his new partner and walking free in London.

@SunShinesBrightly

The Krays are always amongst the ones people mention first! A lot of people seem to have crossed their path...

Y, they lived in a highly populated area and were clearly very visible in the community over a long period, so it’s not that surprising really.

Our cleaner used to be rose west's prison guard. She has Christmas cards etc from her. Apparently she used to manipulate every conversation into something sexual. No remorse or guilt. Pure evil

Rolf Harris. He was charming and I was very surprised when the news broke about him.

A friend of mine' husband worked for the Krays. She is very cagey about it all but met them and said they were both terrifying

One of the great train robbers years ago. Pleasant enough guy. Bit of an ageing hippy with dodgy dealings still going on.

Maxwell - unspeakably rude and arrogant.

There's a lot of surprise at Rolf Harris it seems - just because he was 'charming & friendly' and also did work for charities & sobbed when animals were taken to the vets! I don't think some people understand that these are the very covers some people use!

I used to work in a prison and most criminals I worked with were quite 'normal' to chat to - and that's because in lots of ways they appear to be perfectly normal... but they can be capable of terrible behaviours.

As for Rolf Harris - I was in my 20s, he was in a position of power and he most definitely overstepped the line of acceptable behaviour. I mentioned his inappropriate actions to friends at the time and most of them came back to me when he was arrested with an 'Oh God' kind of comment... makes sense now!

Used to work with Ian Huntley. Nice quiet bloke. Had to sit with him once as an ex girlfriend had accused him of rape and he was upset. We felt really sorry for him.
Was Maxine Carrs team leader for a few weeks. She was realy quiet but a good worker.
Same place, Beast in the Balaclava, local bloke raping women in alleyways. Worked in stores. Nice chap.
Same place. Lovely young man, we all used to drink after work together. He was funny and well spoken. Disappeared after a few months. Turned up in the center pages of take a break magazine for taking out a contract on his wife after buying an expensive life insurance policy for her.
I don't work there anymore.

Visited Long Lartin maximum security prison with college and got chatting to a lovely old guy who was looking forward to doing up his garden in London with his grandkids. Chaplain told me he'd been in a very long time and certainly wouldn't be leaving. No idea who he was though.

Never knowingly met an infamous criminal, but they police recovered a severed torso from the back green behind our old flat a few years ago. It was extremely creepy to think that while we were most likely sleeping, this guy buried that body out back.

Aged 19 I was a PA to one of the UK's biggest Fraudsters.( I was being interviewed by the SFO on my 20th Birthday I had NO clue.) I'd gone in as a Temp, the previous PA having left suddenly (!) & I'd been 'promoted': I left sharpish. He was charming but ruthless,

Long Lost Father's family, 'discovered' last year. 5 siblings all in their 70's now. The 'baby brother' of the 5 worked for the Krays. Did time in prison in his 20's. I met him 2 years ago. Quiet, hardworking family man, ashamed of his (very brief, I think?) past. Another sibling is a Savile alike (in looks & attitude) who has caused chaos in the female side of the family (but no one will 'do anything' re him)

I met the 'property entrepreneur' N van H) many times as my boss was 'doing a deal' with him. Very unpleasant aura about him & his 'wife' was clearly afraid of him. In the loo at one Lunch she followed me in & told me to tell my boss to' run away while you still can'.