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MIL smoking in the house

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Katlow · 06/10/2021 20:32

Need someone to give my head a wobble here if I'm being a crazy first time mum.

Before my baby was born, I told my dh that he wouldn't be able to stay or go into dmil house due to the fact she smokes in the house. She also smokes weed on a semi regular basis but apparently this is not in the house and to be fair I've never smelt it in her house, I have smelt smoke however. It was agreed DH would speak to her about this. I continued with my pregnancy thinking that this was sorted. See her with an ecig every time were out and about so I presume that she's quit.
Babies born, go and visit her when we get home from the hospital and her house STINKS of smoke. Fine, I presumed wrong, my fault as it wasn't communicated to me otherwise. So I ask DH to let her know that the no house visits while smoking inside still stands. In hindsight, i probably should have just done it myself but that ship has sailed.
He does this, they're out on their own together, she royally kicks off and cries but nothing is said to me other than my DH letting me know what was said.
A week later, I dressed the baby in some clothes she bought for him while I was pregnant, go on WhatsApp to send her a picture and it turns out she's blocked me. We don't post pictures of our baby on SM so we have an independent app where we can share photos with family, I go on this and she's removed herself from this also. This is all on fathers day, so I ask DH to message her and say that I tried to send her a photo but it didn't go through. She ignored this fact and says that she's removed herself from the family album app as she can't bear to only see photos of baby online.
I think, this is daft, so send her a text saying basically, I wish it didn't have to be this way, I have to protect my child and if she wants to sort it out, let me know. She sent me the most spiteful text back saying that she's not getting involved in my argumentative nature and she's not letting me treat her how I treat my dad (which I opened up to her about once as he really treated me and my brother awfully, posted a letter through the door when we were kids saying he has a new family now and we just need to accept that, I can, and have before, write a WHOLE other thread on his antics) but she knew this would hurt me. She said she's been nothing but a good person to me and I've ruined her expectations of being a grandma and how dare I speak to her that way.
I kept my cool and just text her back saying I only text as she's blocked me off everything, and there was no need for the horrible reply, this is all very childish and again, to let me know if she wants to sort it out.
A few months passed and I heard nothing from her. DH was still going seeing her with the baby, meeting her in cafes which I always suggested he do and would remind him to go and see her. I said to DH that if she wants to let it go, I'm willing to draw a line under it and move on which he told DMIL, she finally text me saying that I have a beautiful son, and I replied saying you have a beautiful grandson! And normal conversation ensued from there. Met her at the park and it was like nothing happened. Fine, I'm willing to drop it all for DH as I know this is difficult for him too. But the no visits due to the smoking still stands.
Me and my DH went away for 2 nights and left the baby with my DM. My DM thought it'd be nice to meet up with DMIL and have a grandma's day. She said they were meeting in a cafe and I was happy that they were getting to spend some time with the baby. My dm forgot about the no visits to DMIL house and DMIL invited her round and she went. When I found this out when I got back, I was peeved with my DM and told her as much but we sorted it out and moved on.
A week later, DMIL shows up at our house unannounced, she wants to have a word with us because she wants to know whether the no visiting is due to her smoking or whether its something else because my DM went round and she thought, what changed? I said nothing has changed, my DM forgot and I spoke to her about it. I said it's not a personal attack on her, it would be the same with any other member of the family who smoked indoors. She said that she'd felt like there was no point in being alive anymore and when she was speaking to her friends, she found herself forgetting our babies name as she'd not seen him, she said that being a parent is immense but becoming a grandparent is second to that and she feels like she's lost out on being a grandma.
I said if you smoke outside, we'd have no issue with baby coming round, and that she'd said some hurtful things to me too that were irrelevant to the situation but I know emotions were running high so we can move past it and she said yes well I thought postnatal depression might have come into it abit. So I got a bit sterner then and said NO straight away and she said well when DH told me, me and him were both sat there breaking our hearts and I was crying and he was upset, so I said wait a minute, DH has agreed with me all along with this, and we've had this conversation in private but I feel like it's come across as this is all coming from me when it's actually not. She backtracked then and said well of course he stands by you I'd be concerned if he didn't but as long as its not because of anything else then that's fine I just wanted to make sure.
I was sat there, baffled, while my DH and DMIL made normal conversation so I just excused myself and went upstairs. Now looking back on it there are lots of things I wish I said but I don't want to drag it all back up again but I'm finding myself feeling very bitter towards her.
Am I in the wrong for saying baby can't visit if she smokes in the house? I'm not quite sure where all this drama has arisen from when it's a case of
Smoke in the house - he's not coming round
Smoke outside- he can?

How am I best dealing with this now? Shall I address the issues I wish I'd mentioned when she came round or should I just let it lie and grit my teeth every time I see her?

OP posts:
StoneofDestiny · 06/10/2021 20:34

I'd not let anybody smoke in my house or visit a house where smokers smoke in their home. I'd not even let them cuddle my baby in they were a regular smoker. My childs health and my aversion to cigarette smoke would trump them.

Libra22 · 06/10/2021 20:40

I smoke, and YANBU in not wanting your baby to inhale second hand smoke.

It sounds like there is a lot of angst between you, perhaps you can meet and chat just between the two of you directly. Explain your thought process and invite her to your house to see her grandchild!

Katlow · 06/10/2021 20:43

@Libra22

I smoke, and YANBU in not wanting your baby to inhale second hand smoke.

It sounds like there is a lot of angst between you, perhaps you can meet and chat just between the two of you directly. Explain your thought process and invite her to your house to see her grandchild!

Not to drip feed but her argument was that me and DH used to smoke- we quit when we started trying for a baby as we thought it may be causing fertility issues. We also used to smoke in the house but stopped this aswell. I've tried to explain to her its not an attack on smokers and I'm not going to tell her what she can and can't do in her own home but I can decide what happens with our baby. Its thrown me for six a bit because with all the drama I'm starting to think - is it me being an arsehole?
OP posts:
alpinerain · 06/10/2021 20:47

YANBU. If she wants to continue smoking inside her house, she'll just have to see her grandson elsewhere. She could always babysit him at your house.

You're doing what's best for your baby like any decent parent would!

KILNAMATRA · 06/10/2021 20:48

There’s going to be stale smoke in her house and the smell. As long as she’s not directly smoking in front of the child,,and smokes outside when he’s there, I d let him visit.Sure it’s only for 1 hour a week with DH? It’s not perfect but she won’t change. She wants to smoke in her house. DH and her want to hangout. She might be dead before he’s 5.. will your partner resent you for not allowing him take his child there? What does he think?

Aquamarine1029 · 06/10/2021 20:51

You are not being an arsehole, you're being a responsible parent. Secondhand smoke is dangerous and no child should be exposed into it. It's disgusting, filthy, and absolutely stinks. If she won't stop smoking indoors, which she clearly won't, she will have to come to your home. I wouldn't bother having another conversation about this.

GermioneHranger · 06/10/2021 20:53

YANBU!

It's not only disgusting, but unhealthy too. Second hand smoke is a danger to babies, including on people (clothes) and in homes!

Stand firm, your babies health comes above other people's annoyances.

Chloemol · 06/10/2021 20:58

YANBU

Leave her to it. She knows what she has to do

DebbieHarrysCheekbones · 06/10/2021 21:01

Anyone that tries to “argue”‘ the toss when it comes to smoking around or secondhand smoke around a baby is a moron

MinnieGirl · 06/10/2021 21:14

If she wants to be involved with her grandchild she can quit smoking. I’ve just become a grandma, and hubby and I gave up once we knew baby was on the way. It’s not easy, but we had no intention of missing out on our grandchild, and baby’s health is more important than cigarettes.

Remind her that it is her choice to smoke and therefore not have grandchild to visit.

SnackSizeRaisin · 06/10/2021 21:23

Just stand firm. We have smoking relatives too. I didn't take the baby there for 3 months. After that we go very occasionally (maybe 2 or 3 X a year) for an hour or 2. I don't really like the e cigarettes around young children either. I have let that slide as again visits are infrequent. But I wouldn't allow someone who uses an e cigarette sole charge of my young children unless they commit to keeping it away from the child as they can be fatal if a toddler was to get hold of it.

DFOD · 06/10/2021 21:29

You are 100% correct. Your MIL sounds “challenging”.

However….

Why isn’t your DH dealing with her directly?

Does he agree with your stance?

Why is she coming to you and not him?

Can you not refer her to your DH if she makes contact?

Sounds like he is the issue - he isn’t standing his/your ground….

user1471447863 · 06/10/2021 21:46

Smoking in a house is disgusting - everything will stink. It will ooze out of the walls for years to come.
YANBU at all in wanting to take sensible precautions surrounding your child's health - and avoiding smoke is one of the biggest things you can do. No visits to her house is definitely correct - and she should be changing into clean clothes when visiting too. The effects of smoke are well known and not up for debate.

If she's going to be a cow then maybe you could feign some concern for her - if she's forgetting her dearest grandchild's name regularly maybe she should be seeing her Dr about her memory or maybe the start of dementia? After all there is strong evidence that smoking increases your risk.

Cryalot2 · 06/10/2021 21:49

I respect you and agree, yet I look back and my late pil smoked in front of dc1 . He was an old man and adored dc and honestly never smelt of cigarettes. He died before 2nd dc was born.I have no regrets .

MadameMonk · 06/10/2021 21:51

Clearly MIL is trying to drive a wedge between you two, and it sounds as if your DH hasn’t exactly been truthful (kinda thrown you to the wolves a bit). Frankly your own mother has been less than helpful. Do you really have to ‘be reminded’ that a smoky house is bad for a baby?

I’d shortcut the lot of them and say it was clear medical advice that you were following. Bombard everyone with leaflets and links (incl DH). Say that every medical appointment you go to, the nurse (and GP) checks in with you about your family smoking habits. I think this would be believable, given your past history of smoking. Say it was reinforced by your Health Visitor, and anyone else you can think of.

Threaten to book a GP appointment for anyone who needs a refresher- that’ll make them sit up!

Basically make it harder for them all to put this on you. You are in the majority- people who know the science and care about babies. Which says what about them?

FictionalCharacter · 06/10/2021 21:56

Good grief, another manipulative self-pitying ridiculous MIL. All she has to do is stop smoking indoors. For all her whining about missing out on being a grandma, smoking seems to be more important to her.

FrozenoutofCostco · 06/10/2021 22:04

@StoneofDestiny

I'd not let anybody smoke in my house or visit a house where smokers smoke in their home. I'd not even let them cuddle my baby in they were a regular smoker. My childs health and my aversion to cigarette smoke would trump them.
Not letting a smoker cuddle your baby?! Don't be ridiculous!! Unless they've just put one out within the last 5/10 mins then baby will NOT inhale ANYTHING! I gave up during pregnancy, as hard as it was. I then slowly began again (after a traumatic birth & partner having mental breakdown as a result of said birth) and was told the above about no inhalation after 5/10 mins, by a Consultant in the hospital!

This level of anxiety is honestly not healthy at all. It's also quite offensive to those who smoke, implying they shouldn't have a baby of their own. I've now quit but I know from experience that it's quite possible to be a responsible & very careful (irregular) smoker and a good parent also.
That being said, I DEFINITELY wouldn't take my baby (or child of any age) into a house where they smoke inside - never! That's a different kettle of fish.

Brollywasntneededafterall · 06/10/2021 22:09

Send her info on cot death. She seems happy to put your dc at risk. Thank fuck you aren't op...

StoneofDestiny · 06/10/2021 22:13

Not letting a smoker cuddle your baby?! Don't be ridiculous!!

You do what you want with your baby, but I'd not let a smoker hold mine. After reading the third hand smoking information and realising how long the dangerous chemicals stay in clothes, furniture and are breathed out - I'd take no chances.

Pixxie7 · 06/10/2021 22:14

Smoking is very addictive, if she lives alone she may get lonely not excusing her but these issues need to be considered. Try and negotiate with her, perhaps meeting at yours or in her garden. Tell her you appreciate how difficult it is to stop but you are concerned about the health of your child.

sjxoxo · 06/10/2021 22:27

Deffo stand your ground. To be honest I think you’ve been quite nice! I’d be seriously considering just cutting her off; not because she’s an (indoor) smoker but she sounds self centred & a bit of an idiot!!! I couldn’t be as patient as you Xo

StrawBeretMoose · 06/10/2021 22:34

YANBU
Some family members smoke, they smell of smoke, their clothes and hair do too. Of those a minority smoke in their houses, the houses do smell of smoke.
I used to smoke too, so did DH, still doesn't mean we'd want anyone smoking near DC including grandparents.
The smell lingers a lot longer than 10 minutes, it's fine to not let people cuddle the baby in clothes they've been smoking in. It's your baby and you do what you feel is right.

Cherrysoup · 06/10/2021 22:49

YANBU, I would never take a baby to a smoker’s house. Does she know about the associated SIDS risk?

thebestnamesweregone · 06/10/2021 23:04

I think your mom betrayed you by taking the child there....I'm presuming you'd told her the about the smoking saga,?.....