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Boris says we’re going to be gossiped about

73 replies

Ijustknowitstimetogo · 05/10/2021 17:46

If we don’t get back to the office.

The only person being gossiped about is you Boris, you immoral, philandering, misogynistic, incompetent clown.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10060043/Boris-denies-claims-supply-chain-chaos-just-ending-UKs-low-wage-economy.html

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bizboz · 05/10/2021 17:48

It's not the government's job to fix problems in the economy? 🤔 Does he have any ideas about what the government's job should be then,?

DixonD · 05/10/2021 17:51

It’s true though!

MurielSpriggs · 05/10/2021 17:54

Why are we calling the lying cunt "Boris"?

Eleganz · 05/10/2021 17:57

Just another message from the commercial landlords that bankroll the Tory party. Pretty pathetic that they think Boris spouting this nonsense will have any impact.

Iggly · 05/10/2021 17:58

@DixonD

It’s true though!
Not in my office.

Most people are still wfh and when we go in, we’ve got better things to gossip about

Iggly · 05/10/2021 17:59

@Eleganz

Just another message from the commercial landlords that bankroll the Tory party. Pretty pathetic that they think Boris spouting this nonsense will have any impact.
This a million times!

I winced when I went in, I could easily spend £10-15 on lunch and coffee in pret. That’s why they want us back, they want our cash for their profit. I’d rather spend it locally and revive my local high street

Tealightsandd · 05/10/2021 18:03

@Eleganz

Just another message from the commercial landlords that bankroll the Tory party. Pretty pathetic that they think Boris spouting this nonsense will have any impact.
The commercial landlords will be fine. They can always convert into (shoddy overheated) housing.

No, it's the (many) people not privileged enough to live in a suitable for work from home environment who will suffer.

And the many many people (largely low paid) who will lose their livelihoods.

Plus the public services that we all benefit from. Unless you want taxes to go up beyond sky high and still have a shortfall in funding. The office based industries contribute billions to the national economy.

Boris is right too about the value of in person work. Particularly, as he says, for the young - those at the beginning of their working life, and older career changers.

Eleganz · 05/10/2021 18:03

Also on the other part of the article. All businesses should now expect this from this economically illiterate government. It is their mandate to cause problems, not solve them. They seem to be quite bold telling people that it is not their problem to sort out the problems that they claimed would not be caused by the Brexit deal they negotiated.

FrankieDobie · 05/10/2021 18:04

It’s true though, no excuses to be WFH now if they didn’t do it before Covid.

Tealightsandd · 05/10/2021 18:05

He's also right about it being well past time to end the reliance on exploitation aka a low wage economy - with crappy pay topped up by taxpayer funded benefits.

tropicalwaterdiver · 05/10/2021 18:09

@DixonD

It’s true though!
What is true? This government destroyed the working trading framework and failed to create a proper replacement. Yes, the biggest shortage in this country is government competence.
Eleganz · 05/10/2021 18:10

@Tealightsandd

If the commercial landlords weren't worried Boris wouldn't mention it with such frequency. Top topics mentioned are always Tory donor priorities.

I disagree with your analysis about jobs. I spend on local businesses now and support the workers there.

The office-based industries are still contributing whilst having a home-based workforce. The financial sector is capable of functioning without everyone sat in an expensive office in central London.

There is value in valuable in-person work. But not all work needs to be done in person. Trying to suggest that home workers will be subject to a toxic gossip culture is pathetic and is flailing against the fundamental shift that is already well underway.

Eleganz · 05/10/2021 18:12

@FrankieDobie

It’s true though, no excuses to be WFH now if they didn’t do it before Covid.
Well if you can do your job from home, what is the problem?

The idea that people can't be trusted to work from home is something that the past 18 months should have told people is utter bollocks.

Old fashioned thinking.

ThisOverGetIDoHow · 05/10/2021 18:15

@FrankieDobie

It’s true though, no excuses to be WFH now if they didn’t do it before Covid.
Our office still hasn't reopened to employees as it's being used for covid testing so even if everyone wanted to go in, capacity is currently about 30%
SickAndTiredAgain · 05/10/2021 18:17

@DixonD

It’s true though!
Is it? Are you gossiping about why people aren’t in, or just about them in general because they aren’t there to hear you? Doesn’t happen in my office, sounds quite tedious. And it’s a weird argument for the PM to make, a bit straw-clutching. “Please go back to the office! People will be mean about you if you don’t!”
Eleganz · 05/10/2021 18:17

@Tealightsandd

He's also right about it being well past time to end the reliance on exploitation aka a low wage economy - with crappy pay topped up by taxpayer funded benefits.
A stopped clock is right twice a day.

The conservatives don't give a shit about raising wages for the working class. If they did, they'd raise NMW. They are just trying to push the false narrative that EU workers depressed wages to detect attention from the damage they have done to the economy by their hard brexit. We can't magic up HGV drivers, God knows Boris has tried!

Tealightsandd · 05/10/2021 18:19

If the commercial landlords weren't worried Boris wouldn't mention it with such frequency. Top topics mentioned are always Tory donor priorities

Regardless. They'll survive just fine (albeit possibly a bit pissed off).

The same can't be said for the vast numbers of people who aren't privileged - who don't live in an environment suitable for home working.

The office-based industries are still contributing whilst having a home-based workforce

It's about sheer numbers. Many many more people live (and work) in large cities than in smaller towns. The public services and national economy won't run on small contributions alone.

FedUpOfBloodyCovid · 05/10/2021 18:24

@FrankieDobie

It’s true though, no excuses to be WFH now if they didn’t do it before Covid.
Yeah, apart from the work-life balance, the flexibility, the reduction in congestion... As a PP said, this is a very old fashioned view.

As for the “jobs need saving” aspect I now spend more in the shops and cafes around work than I did before because I can justify buying lunch and coffees for two days a week, whereas I couldn’t justify (or really afford it) for five days. So the “go back to work to save Pret” doesn’t necessarily require full time attendance.

As for playing on people’s insecurities by suggesting they’ll be gossiped about if they’re not in the office, well that’s just Boris being a pathetic cunt.

Tealightsandd · 05/10/2021 18:25

The conservatives don't give a shit about raising wages for the working class. If they did, they'd raise NMW. They are just trying to push the false narrative that EU workers depressed wages to detect attention from the damage they have done to the economy by their hard brexit. We can't magic up HGV drivers, God knows Boris has tried!

It is a false narrative that EU workers depressed wages. It was employers exploiting workers - migrant and British alike - that did that.

Want more HGV drivers? Invest in people and value those jobs. As important as good pay is decent working conditions. Starting with proper toilet facilities and safe clean overnight stops.

We have over 1 million unemployed, with more soon once furlough ends. We've also recently welcomed 20,000 Afghan refugees. Some of the unemployed and some refugees won't be able to work for various reasons. But plenty can and want to. They're not useless. Train them up, give them opportunities.

Eve · 05/10/2021 18:27

The conservatives don't give a shit about raising wages for the working class. If they did, they'd raise NMW. They are just trying to push the false narrative that EU workers depressed wages to detect attention from the damage they have done to the economy by their hard brexit. We can't magic up HGV drivers, God knows Boris has tried!

yup - and people still unable to think behind the headlines and fall for it.

Same way as the frustration about GP appointments is the GPs fault, not the years of chronic under funding of the service.

Tealightsandd · 05/10/2021 18:30

Same way as the frustration about GP appointments is the GPs fault, not the years of chronic under funding of the service.

It will be even more underfunded with the loss of billions from the office based industries.

Whether they give a shit or not - whatever their motives - in this instance they are right.

Gubanc · 05/10/2021 18:33

Eleganz,

"Well if you can do your job from home, what is the problem?

The idea that people can't be trusted to work from home is something that the past 18 months should have told people is utter bollocks.

Old fashioned thinking."

If your job can be done remotely from
the UK, it can be done remotely from Eastern Europe/China/India just as well. You might want to think about this, too.

Gubanc · 05/10/2021 18:34

@Eve

The conservatives don't give a shit about raising wages for the working class. If they did, they'd raise NMW. They are just trying to push the false narrative that EU workers depressed wages to detect attention from the damage they have done to the economy by their hard brexit. We can't magic up HGV drivers, God knows Boris has tried!

yup - and people still unable to think behind the headlines and fall for it.

Same way as the frustration about GP appointments is the GPs fault, not the years of chronic under funding of the service.

GP's are too busy offering vaccinations to see sick patients. The first clearly pays better.
Tealightsandd · 05/10/2021 18:43

Re vaccinations. Prevention is better than cure.

Going forwards with work setups. Really a flexible balance is best. Couple of days a week at home (if desired) and the rest in the office. (With extra flexibility for the disabled, long term health issues, carers).

SuperstoreFan · 05/10/2021 18:45

@Gubanc

Eleganz,

"Well if you can do your job from home, what is the problem?

The idea that people can't be trusted to work from home is something that the past 18 months should have told people is utter bollocks.

Old fashioned thinking."

If your job can be done remotely from
the UK, it can be done remotely from Eastern Europe/China/India just as well. You might want to think about this, too.

Bollocks.