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Is this normal expectations of a salaried role or are they taking the mick?

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Sunnydays23 · 04/10/2021 18:46

I've recently started a new job working as an area supervisor for a large company that provides cleaning/catering and other services to lots of different companies across the UK. I work alongside the area manager for one specific retail store and we cover a region which has around 50 stores. As well as completing managers checks, audits etc, we have to cover any of the cleaners sickness and holidays. When I applied for the role the advert online stated it was full time hours which included 1 weekend day. In the interview I double checked this and was told it was 40 hours a week and would include either a Saturday or Sunday. I naively assumed they meant it was 40 hours a week spread over 5 days, but it has now become apparent that all supervisors work 6 days a week including the whole weekend. At no point was I made aware that it was 6 days and had I been told this I honestly wouldn't have taken the job. Although I can't prove this, I do believe they kept this to themselves as they must have known that not many people would want to work 6 days a week, especially for a salary of 19k. I actually turned down other jobs to take this one.

My manager is in the same boat as she was told that she would be working 5 days a week with every weekend off, but she will now have to cover when I take holidays or if I'm off sick. She also has to regularly check her phone whilst she's off to make sure that all cleans have been completed. She is not earning much more than I am (we get on great, she only started working for the company a week before I did). The issue is that if a clean is missed then the company receives a fine of £300, so there is absolutely no wriggle room to push a clean back a day or so if there are no cleaners available and we're off. We have to cover it somehow, even if it means cancelling all our plans the day of or walking out of a family lunch etc. They don't care if it affects our personal lives as long as the clean gets done. My manager spoke to someone higher up in the company about this and was told that we could just work out our hours between us and that I don't have to work 6 days a week as long as the work is completed. Our problems with this are:

  1. We agreed that my days off would be a Sunday/Monday and hers a Saturday/Sunday. On Saturday I had 6 cleans (4 cleaners on holiday and 2 phoned in sick the morning of) which would have taken me over 13 hours to complete so she came out on her day off to help.
  1. If one of us is on holiday it means the other has to work 7 days a week or more depending on how long the person is on holiday for. Exactly the same with sickness.
  1. The cleans can be completed any time of the day and because the cleaners only work part time and earn minimum wage they tend to work it around another job or their families etc. The company policy specifically states that all cleaners have to report any sickness absence 1 hour before their due to start their shift. Most of the cleaners start work between 6-9am so they will normally ring first thing to let us know that they won't be coming into work. Other cleaners work between 4-7pm. This means that a cleaner could ring us at 3pm (we both leave the house at 7am) to say their ill and we would have to cover it.
  1. Going back to the hours. I've been told that I can work 5 days a week but will need to be on call on a Sunday just incase a clean comes in. I won't be paid any extra for this. Although they've not said it, the same rule applies to a Monday. For example - next Monday my manager has to drive somewhere which is a 6 hour round trip so won't be able to complete any cleans. There is no one else to cover so I will have to cover them if any come in. I won't know until the night before/morning of as most of the cleaners don't phone in until a couple of hours before their shift starts. I won't be able to make any plans on my days off and this will likely be an ongoing issue.
  1. If I have to work 40 hours a week over 6 days then my shifts should be shorter otherwise I'll be earning less than minimum wage. This isn't possible - last week I worked my full hours over 5 days (not our choice, there was so many cleans to cover).
  1. We've both also received a really dodgy contract which has all the usual points listed - holidays, hours, salary, place of work etc except it doesn't give specifics. For example - it saids "your working hours are listed above" but their not. The same goes for the salary and everything else. I've signed it along with the regional manager but it almost seems pointless?!

There are plenty of other red flags including the fact that I've been to over 30 stores in the last few weeks and every cleaner has told me that they've requested cleaning materials multiple times over the last year but never received them. They physically can't clean without the equipment but if the store complains that the standards aren't up to scratch, it's the cleaner who gets in trouble. This is a 80 million pound company so I can't see what's the issue with providing proper cleaning equipment and PPE.

We are both still in our probationary period so don't want to kick up a fuss until we've at least found another job. We've both said we'll see how it goes over the next few weeks but if it becomes unbearable then we'll start job hunting. It honestly feels like they lied to us to get us through the door and now we're stuck. Please tell me this isn't normal?

OP posts:
Sunnydays23 · 04/10/2021 18:46

Apologies it's so long!!

OP posts:
BornIn78 · 04/10/2021 18:49

Start job hunting now. You’re earning less than minimum wage. This job isn’t going to get any better.

Elieza · 04/10/2021 18:50

You may have to ask acas about that. It doesn’t seem right that you have to effectively be ‘on call’ for no extra pay all the time.

BlackberrySky · 04/10/2021 18:50

On that salary no way. Leave now!

CottonSock · 04/10/2021 18:50

Get out of there!

immersivereader · 04/10/2021 18:51

Hahaha no way

LividLaVidaLoca · 04/10/2021 18:52

You’d basically have to be a mug to work under those conditions.

BornIn78 · 04/10/2021 18:53

I hadn’t read past the part where you earn 19k before my first answer.

On reading the rest, I simply wouldn’t bother going back tomorrow, or ever again.

TheWholeWorld · 04/10/2021 18:54

Shop them to HMRC for breach of minimum wage legislation

SnugKnights · 04/10/2021 18:54

They are absolutely taking the piss! I’d be ringing HMRC and ACAS and looking for another job.

PersonaNonGarter · 04/10/2021 18:54

Wow no. Just work for yourself - you will be in hot demand.

lovelyupnorth · 04/10/2021 18:56

They are breaking the law. Report to HMRC and get the fuck out of there.

MissBPotter · 04/10/2021 18:56

No not normal and not good enough. They are just being stingy and need to hire many more staff to cover these cleans. Not worth it on £19k - I would be job hunting ASAP. If you’re still in probabationary period you can leave straight away if you get another job.

SnugKnights · 04/10/2021 18:56

40 hours at minimum wage is 18.5k do you’d be better off doing that, without the stress and with 2 days off.

SnugKnights · 04/10/2021 18:57

Cross posted with everyone else.

scintilla87 · 04/10/2021 18:58

Sounds exceedingly dodgy! Sorry but why would you sign a contract that didn’t accurately show what you were signing up for? Major red flag! If anything goes wrong, such as they refuse to pay you, you won’t have a leg to stand on. Should you decide to stick it out, get a proper contract in place ASAP! Although it sounds like the issues are widespread. Remember, just because they’re a big company doesn’t mean they won’t have unscrupulous practices, look at Amazon, Uber, Sports Direct etc, all huge organisations who exploit their workers.

NotJustACigar · 04/10/2021 18:59

Contact the jobs you turned down and ask if they are still available because you would now like to accept and start right away. If they say no then start job hunting immediately. The company you work for at the moment is absolutely awful and massively taking advantage of you.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 04/10/2021 18:59

@SnugKnights

40 hours at minimum wage is 18.5k do you’d be better off doing that, without the stress and with 2 days off.
This.

You can't sustain this OP and nor should you, it'll make you ill and could also cause longer term anxiety problems as places like this really destroy your confidence and it can take a long time to build it back up.

NotMyCat · 04/10/2021 19:00

No. Not normal!
I have to work every third Saturday for half a day, so I get half a day off in the week in return
No sundays

Ylvamoon · 04/10/2021 19:00

Leave. Life is to short.

HalzTangz · 04/10/2021 19:00

Leave

Todaywillbegood · 04/10/2021 19:00

That is terrible. Definitely not normal or acceptable. You should definitely look for something else now. Consider looking at universities if you haven't already. Most have their own jobs pages on their websites. Many are crying out for good cleaning staff, including supervisors.

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 04/10/2021 19:01

Sounds horrendous! Good luck finding something better, go go go!

ElephantandGrasshopper · 04/10/2021 19:02

No that sounds terrible.

I'd be looking for another job and in the meantime only work your contracted hours. I wouldn't quit without another job to go to as you might not be able to claim any benefits if you quit.

To cover your back i'd put it in writing to your manager once you've done your hours for the week that you won't be able to work more that week.

If you have anything in writing asking you to work extra (unpaid) then I'd keep a copy too.

WhereYouLeftIt · 04/10/2021 19:03

No it is not normal, except for really bad companies who cannot go bust soon enough.

I'd be job-hunting right now, and wouldn't wait for my probationary period to end.

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