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Is this normal expectations of a salaried role or are they taking the mick?

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Sunnydays23 · 04/10/2021 18:46

I've recently started a new job working as an area supervisor for a large company that provides cleaning/catering and other services to lots of different companies across the UK. I work alongside the area manager for one specific retail store and we cover a region which has around 50 stores. As well as completing managers checks, audits etc, we have to cover any of the cleaners sickness and holidays. When I applied for the role the advert online stated it was full time hours which included 1 weekend day. In the interview I double checked this and was told it was 40 hours a week and would include either a Saturday or Sunday. I naively assumed they meant it was 40 hours a week spread over 5 days, but it has now become apparent that all supervisors work 6 days a week including the whole weekend. At no point was I made aware that it was 6 days and had I been told this I honestly wouldn't have taken the job. Although I can't prove this, I do believe they kept this to themselves as they must have known that not many people would want to work 6 days a week, especially for a salary of 19k. I actually turned down other jobs to take this one.

My manager is in the same boat as she was told that she would be working 5 days a week with every weekend off, but she will now have to cover when I take holidays or if I'm off sick. She also has to regularly check her phone whilst she's off to make sure that all cleans have been completed. She is not earning much more than I am (we get on great, she only started working for the company a week before I did). The issue is that if a clean is missed then the company receives a fine of £300, so there is absolutely no wriggle room to push a clean back a day or so if there are no cleaners available and we're off. We have to cover it somehow, even if it means cancelling all our plans the day of or walking out of a family lunch etc. They don't care if it affects our personal lives as long as the clean gets done. My manager spoke to someone higher up in the company about this and was told that we could just work out our hours between us and that I don't have to work 6 days a week as long as the work is completed. Our problems with this are:

  1. We agreed that my days off would be a Sunday/Monday and hers a Saturday/Sunday. On Saturday I had 6 cleans (4 cleaners on holiday and 2 phoned in sick the morning of) which would have taken me over 13 hours to complete so she came out on her day off to help.
  1. If one of us is on holiday it means the other has to work 7 days a week or more depending on how long the person is on holiday for. Exactly the same with sickness.
  1. The cleans can be completed any time of the day and because the cleaners only work part time and earn minimum wage they tend to work it around another job or their families etc. The company policy specifically states that all cleaners have to report any sickness absence 1 hour before their due to start their shift. Most of the cleaners start work between 6-9am so they will normally ring first thing to let us know that they won't be coming into work. Other cleaners work between 4-7pm. This means that a cleaner could ring us at 3pm (we both leave the house at 7am) to say their ill and we would have to cover it.
  1. Going back to the hours. I've been told that I can work 5 days a week but will need to be on call on a Sunday just incase a clean comes in. I won't be paid any extra for this. Although they've not said it, the same rule applies to a Monday. For example - next Monday my manager has to drive somewhere which is a 6 hour round trip so won't be able to complete any cleans. There is no one else to cover so I will have to cover them if any come in. I won't know until the night before/morning of as most of the cleaners don't phone in until a couple of hours before their shift starts. I won't be able to make any plans on my days off and this will likely be an ongoing issue.
  1. If I have to work 40 hours a week over 6 days then my shifts should be shorter otherwise I'll be earning less than minimum wage. This isn't possible - last week I worked my full hours over 5 days (not our choice, there was so many cleans to cover).
  1. We've both also received a really dodgy contract which has all the usual points listed - holidays, hours, salary, place of work etc except it doesn't give specifics. For example - it saids "your working hours are listed above" but their not. The same goes for the salary and everything else. I've signed it along with the regional manager but it almost seems pointless?!

There are plenty of other red flags including the fact that I've been to over 30 stores in the last few weeks and every cleaner has told me that they've requested cleaning materials multiple times over the last year but never received them. They physically can't clean without the equipment but if the store complains that the standards aren't up to scratch, it's the cleaner who gets in trouble. This is a 80 million pound company so I can't see what's the issue with providing proper cleaning equipment and PPE.

We are both still in our probationary period so don't want to kick up a fuss until we've at least found another job. We've both said we'll see how it goes over the next few weeks but if it becomes unbearable then we'll start job hunting. It honestly feels like they lied to us to get us through the door and now we're stuck. Please tell me this isn't normal?

OP posts:
MrsIPFreely · 04/10/2021 19:05

There is wriggle room - if the company are not providing the resources to get a clean done then let them incur a £300 fine. At 19k a year it is not your responsibility. By enabling this you are allowing them to get away with it.

toomuchfaster · 04/10/2021 19:05

Of course it isn't normal! Run away quickly!

Lokdok · 04/10/2021 19:07

6 days a week for 19k!!!! That has to be below minimum wage, disgusting. I was earning more at 14! You can do better than this.

Sunnydays23 · 04/10/2021 19:11

I'm really glad to hear this isn't normal. I know sometimes people have to work beyond their contractual hours for no extra pay in a salaried role but I honestly think their taking the mick big time. When I told them I didn't want to work 6 days a week, they came back and said that was fine but I'd need to be on call on the 6th day. How is that not any different Confused. I was made to feel guilty because apparently all the supervisors quite happily work 6 days a week. The difference is I wasn't told about it at the interview stage and had I been I would have turned down the job and taken something else. My manager and I were talking about everything today (as she is equally as fed up with everything) and we were saying how nice the job actually is. The work isn't hard and the staff are all lovely, but the hours are ridiculous and just ruins it all.

OP posts:
JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 04/10/2021 19:11

Start job hunting immediately.

Contact the jobs you turned down and see if they are still available and if so accept and quit with immediate effect.

Notify HMRC of minimum wage legislation breaches (anonymously if you would be scuppered if you lost this job).

Speak to ACAS about the situation and get some advice and support.

Providing that you wouldn't put yourself in financial difficulty if you were sacked I would start working to rule. When you get to your 40 hours they need to pay you overtime or you don't work. If your boss is in the same position then her boss will have to pick up the slack.

This is utter shit and you need to escape but try to do it in a way that makes it difficult for them to do the same again.

itsallgoingpearshaped · 04/10/2021 19:13

Find a new job; there are loads right now. Quit. You owe people like that nothing.

Smashingspinster · 04/10/2021 19:15

Get out now!!!! What a bunch of wankers - that is absolutely disgusting. You can bet the fat cats at the top of the pole arent doing 6 or 7 day weeks.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 04/10/2021 19:17

Contact the jobs you turned down and see if they are still available and if so accept and quit with immediate effect.

Definitely this, it's surprising how often new starters don't work out so some of them may be planning to replace the current candidates already.

1FootInTheRave · 04/10/2021 19:20

Wtf? This is awful.

Sounds like less than min wage too.

tttigress · 04/10/2021 19:20

Erm haven't you heard, there are labour shortages all over the place.

I would start looking for a new job, I don't think you will be looking for very long.

PerpendicularVincent · 04/10/2021 19:21

I bet the other supervisors don't happily work 6 days a week - I bet they feel under pressure and obliged.

I agree with every other poster that this isn't right, or normal. They're incredibly understaffed by the sounds of it and if you carry on with these hours you'll end up exhausted and ill.

It isn't worth it for 19k. I'm sure you'll be able to find another job with better working conditions.

queenatom · 04/10/2021 19:22

They are absolutely 100% taking the piss. I also strongly, strongly doubt that all the other supervisors are totally cool with working 6 days a week and being permanently on call for a pittance of a salary. Quit now - I am quit sure there are loads of jobs you could be doing with better T&Cs.

MadamMedea · 04/10/2021 19:23

I would speak to acas because none of this sounds legal, and ramp up the search for a new job ASAP.

carlycurly · 04/10/2021 19:25

Have you signed something to opt you out of the working time directive maximums? None of this is healthy and I can't believe they think anyone will stay on these conditions.

Get out, whistleblow, move on. Good luck. You sound to have a really good work ethic and you will be fine.

fluffiphlox · 04/10/2021 19:27

Not for 19K. They’re taking you and your colleague for mugs.

cherish123 · 04/10/2021 19:28

This sounds horrendous and totally disorganised. You can't be on call 7 days for 19k!

Mattyblue · 04/10/2021 19:36

They’re being unreasonable.

CV time…

HestersSamplerofCarrots · 04/10/2021 19:39

Why are you waiting to look for another job?

Gilly12345 · 04/10/2021 19:40

Sounds like an awful job/company, why not look for a new job now?

mewkins · 04/10/2021 19:40

Set up a small company with your supervisor and work the hours you want x

maddening · 04/10/2021 19:42

The employer is ooo, take advantage of the job market as it is currently a workers market and leave.

KTheGrey · 04/10/2021 19:43

What's the hourly rate for a cleaner? Wouldn't you do better setting up on your own?

Sunnydays23 · 04/10/2021 19:47

I'll be honest - I don't really want to be a cleaner, not full time anyway although that is what I'm doing right now. I didn't realise it would be like this though. I thought it would mainly be managers visits, completing audits, checking in with the cleaners, sorting out wages etc. The regional manager even said in the interview that she didn't want us doing cleans every day as that isn't our job, but it definitely hasn't worked out that way...

OP posts:
KrisAkabusi · 04/10/2021 19:49

It's not normal, they're taking the piss, and they know it as they're lying to all their applicants. They must go through a lot of staff!

Firstbornunicorn · 04/10/2021 19:49

It seems like you are probably earning more than NMW when you consider the number of hours you have worked. Definitely contact ACAS. I was so angry for you when I was reading your post. They are taking advantage of your, your boss and their cleaners. I would be tempted to walk out in style, but obviously that’s probably more drama than it’s worth. Definitely look elsewhere, though.

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