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Is this normal expectations of a salaried role or are they taking the mick?

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Sunnydays23 · 04/10/2021 18:46

I've recently started a new job working as an area supervisor for a large company that provides cleaning/catering and other services to lots of different companies across the UK. I work alongside the area manager for one specific retail store and we cover a region which has around 50 stores. As well as completing managers checks, audits etc, we have to cover any of the cleaners sickness and holidays. When I applied for the role the advert online stated it was full time hours which included 1 weekend day. In the interview I double checked this and was told it was 40 hours a week and would include either a Saturday or Sunday. I naively assumed they meant it was 40 hours a week spread over 5 days, but it has now become apparent that all supervisors work 6 days a week including the whole weekend. At no point was I made aware that it was 6 days and had I been told this I honestly wouldn't have taken the job. Although I can't prove this, I do believe they kept this to themselves as they must have known that not many people would want to work 6 days a week, especially for a salary of 19k. I actually turned down other jobs to take this one.

My manager is in the same boat as she was told that she would be working 5 days a week with every weekend off, but she will now have to cover when I take holidays or if I'm off sick. She also has to regularly check her phone whilst she's off to make sure that all cleans have been completed. She is not earning much more than I am (we get on great, she only started working for the company a week before I did). The issue is that if a clean is missed then the company receives a fine of £300, so there is absolutely no wriggle room to push a clean back a day or so if there are no cleaners available and we're off. We have to cover it somehow, even if it means cancelling all our plans the day of or walking out of a family lunch etc. They don't care if it affects our personal lives as long as the clean gets done. My manager spoke to someone higher up in the company about this and was told that we could just work out our hours between us and that I don't have to work 6 days a week as long as the work is completed. Our problems with this are:

  1. We agreed that my days off would be a Sunday/Monday and hers a Saturday/Sunday. On Saturday I had 6 cleans (4 cleaners on holiday and 2 phoned in sick the morning of) which would have taken me over 13 hours to complete so she came out on her day off to help.
  1. If one of us is on holiday it means the other has to work 7 days a week or more depending on how long the person is on holiday for. Exactly the same with sickness.
  1. The cleans can be completed any time of the day and because the cleaners only work part time and earn minimum wage they tend to work it around another job or their families etc. The company policy specifically states that all cleaners have to report any sickness absence 1 hour before their due to start their shift. Most of the cleaners start work between 6-9am so they will normally ring first thing to let us know that they won't be coming into work. Other cleaners work between 4-7pm. This means that a cleaner could ring us at 3pm (we both leave the house at 7am) to say their ill and we would have to cover it.
  1. Going back to the hours. I've been told that I can work 5 days a week but will need to be on call on a Sunday just incase a clean comes in. I won't be paid any extra for this. Although they've not said it, the same rule applies to a Monday. For example - next Monday my manager has to drive somewhere which is a 6 hour round trip so won't be able to complete any cleans. There is no one else to cover so I will have to cover them if any come in. I won't know until the night before/morning of as most of the cleaners don't phone in until a couple of hours before their shift starts. I won't be able to make any plans on my days off and this will likely be an ongoing issue.
  1. If I have to work 40 hours a week over 6 days then my shifts should be shorter otherwise I'll be earning less than minimum wage. This isn't possible - last week I worked my full hours over 5 days (not our choice, there was so many cleans to cover).
  1. We've both also received a really dodgy contract which has all the usual points listed - holidays, hours, salary, place of work etc except it doesn't give specifics. For example - it saids "your working hours are listed above" but their not. The same goes for the salary and everything else. I've signed it along with the regional manager but it almost seems pointless?!

There are plenty of other red flags including the fact that I've been to over 30 stores in the last few weeks and every cleaner has told me that they've requested cleaning materials multiple times over the last year but never received them. They physically can't clean without the equipment but if the store complains that the standards aren't up to scratch, it's the cleaner who gets in trouble. This is a 80 million pound company so I can't see what's the issue with providing proper cleaning equipment and PPE.

We are both still in our probationary period so don't want to kick up a fuss until we've at least found another job. We've both said we'll see how it goes over the next few weeks but if it becomes unbearable then we'll start job hunting. It honestly feels like they lied to us to get us through the door and now we're stuck. Please tell me this isn't normal?

OP posts:
Lightswitch123 · 04/10/2021 19:55

Get out now!

Schoolchoicesucks · 04/10/2021 19:57

There are rules around uninterrupted rest breaks - so you definitely shouldn't have to be working 7 days a week.

OP, they need to recruit a pool of cleaners who are willing/able to cover any cleans where the rota'd person is ill/doesn't show. So your role/the manager's role is to find someone to cover, rather than covering yourself.

But honestly, for the stress and work involved in finding cover and having to be on standby to figure it out - go back to the roles you'd turned down and see if they are still available.

Sunnydays23 · 04/10/2021 19:57

Every time I've spoken to a cleaner or the shop staff they've explained that they've been asking for cleaning stock for months. I have no idea what the issue is and why they can't provide it Confused. It's extremely embarrassing and all I could do is apologise on the companies behalf. The cleaners are expected to clean toilets/empty public bins without proper PPE, it's disgusting and I feel so angry for them, but what can I do other than pass the message on. The company have great testimonials from lots of different companies on their website but behind the scenes they treat their staff like crap and don't even provide basic protection or cleaning equipment.

Don't worry, I will be looking for another job! When I read my post back I feel really angry.

OP posts:
Schoolchoicesucks · 04/10/2021 19:57

Meant to link to rest break rules

www.gov.uk/rest-breaks-work

EggsellentSmithers · 04/10/2021 20:01

Even at 40 hours a week thats £9.13/hr for a supervisory role? Assuming you are old enough, that’s 23p above NMW. Not good enough, as you work more than a couple of hours a week extra it takes you under minimum wage.

Run!!!

TractorAndHeadphones · 04/10/2021 20:04

I’m angry on your behalf OP! 19K they’re taking the fucking piss
Wish there was some way of making and shaming them

BoredZelda · 04/10/2021 20:17

I’m salaried and I expect that sometimes, if it is busy, I need to work the weekend. But I’m paid nearly three times as much as you and I might do maybe 3 or 4 weekends a year. There is no way I’d stay in a job that needs me to work every weekend just to do my normal workload. As you’ve pointed out, that leaves no contingency for covering busier times/holidays/sick leave etc.

I’d be looking for another job.

Buckydoesafart · 04/10/2021 20:19

Is this a company in NW as I have left somewhere exactly this, for very similar reasons!! Its not going to change - they exploit the fact that some people are unable to find something else. I would leave its only going to get worse!!

BoredZelda · 04/10/2021 20:19

but behind the scenes they treat their staff like crap and don't even provide basic protection or cleaning equipment.

Put a review of them as employers on www.glassdoor.co.uk

Blueandblack3 · 04/10/2021 20:28

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Theluggage15 · 04/10/2021 20:28

That sounds exhausting. They are seriously taking the piss. You sound like a conscientious, hard worker. Go where you will be valued.

surreygirl1987 · 04/10/2021 20:29

Sounds awful (and I say that as a very overworked teacher).

Buckydoesafart · 04/10/2021 20:34

no this one is mainly NW - same issue expecting my account managers to do the cleaning when they need to be seeing the clients - trying to employ 16 year old cleaners and pay them £4.50 or whatever they can get away with and have them as key holders for secure sites??

I think the whole soft services industry is riddled with these practices and I had to highlight instances of when people were being paid under the national minimum wage which is illegal

Bootikin · 04/10/2021 20:46

As soon as you can, write a report on this company on glassdoor and make sure you ref check any future companies on that site.

It’s really useful for rooting out the horror employers.

Skysblue · 04/10/2021 21:06

Sorry OP that sounds like a terrible job I’m so sorry that they tricked you into it. Job hunt asap.

And remember if the company gets fined that hopefully doesn’t mean you do! They’ve basically set up the business to exploit employees. Hugs.

CaddieDawg · 04/10/2021 21:21

Just because you are on a salary, doesn't mean they get away with paying you below minimum wage. Please report this and the hours to HMRC and run. Did you opt out of the working time regs as part of your contract? If not, look it up and it'll advise on rest breaks and max working hours etc.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 04/10/2021 21:57

@Sunnydays23

I'll be honest - I don't really want to be a cleaner, not full time anyway although that is what I'm doing right now. I didn't realise it would be like this though. I thought it would mainly be managers visits, completing audits, checking in with the cleaners, sorting out wages etc. The regional manager even said in the interview that she didn't want us doing cleans every day as that isn't our job, but it definitely hasn't worked out that way...
In light of this it might be worth speaking to the regional manager and checking she is aware of what is happening. She might be able to make things tolerable while you job hunt. She might be complicit but it is worth a try.
Jangle33 · 04/10/2021 22:00

What did your contract say about hours?

But agree go job hunting!

SaltySheepdog · 04/10/2021 22:20

Firstly ask for a new contract which includes the hours and salary.

Join UNISON

Ask HR and managers above you to resolve the situation by employing a weekend supervisor.

Graphista · 04/10/2021 22:30

That sounds a total piss take!

I'd be looking to move on quickly if I were you.

Also I'm not sure what they are but there are rules about how many hours you work and how long between shifts you have off I'm sure and it doesn't sound like they're complying with that.

If indeed the hours you're clocking mean you're receiving less than nmw you can report them anonymously for that too.

My dd gets paid more than you per hour for working in a fast food place part time entry level! And she's not even 21 yet.

Please at least report them once you have left as they are treating their employees appallingly!

Do you really totally have to stay there at the moment?

because apparently all the supervisors quite happily work 6 days a week.

They're so dodgy why would you think this is true?!

I think you'll find out very soon they have a very high staff turnover!

My last job I left due to bullying and found out after I left high staff turnover and a number of other things. You don't always see/know while you're there although it's now much easier to see employer reviews online.

As for the contract you've signed - while I wouldn't have signed it, no contract can supersede the law

What you're saying re no ppe etc is also shocking you can report that to the health and safety executive (my dad used to do this job what some employers try and get away with borders on murderous!) again you can do so anon and I would urge you to do this ASAP

This is utterly disgraceful please don't let them continue to get away with this

TSSDNCOP · 05/10/2021 18:10

If there's non compete in your contract I'd advise setting up a business of your own with your manager.

The ACAS website is brilliant at explaining how companies cannot pay below NMW. I suggest taking a look and shop them to HMRC who will crucify them.

missymayhemsmum · 05/10/2021 19:36

Join a union and take advice

ZenNudist · 05/10/2021 19:41

Leave

Shop them to HMRC for breach of minimum wage legislation

savagebaggagemaster · 05/10/2021 19:44

Yes they're taking the mickey!
I know someone who was doing a similar job to you - she left pretty quickly as it was a mug's game sadly.

lanthanum · 05/10/2021 20:01

www.gov.uk/rest-breaks-work

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