If care workers get fired for being unvaccinated…

[LemonWeb]

Why not professional footballers? I’m struggling to be sympathetic with these spoilt men who want to keep getting massive salaries but feel that public health protection measures needn’t apply to them. AIBU?

@Porcupineintherough

People didnt seem to have a problem with carers being unvaccinated when there was no vaccine? There's a reason for that *@bumbleymummy*

Yes, my point is that the vulnerable have now been vaccinated so are technically at lower risk than they were last year but we’re firing carers? Many of whom could be immune anyway.

I haven’t flounced - of course I get the fact that care workers are going to be spending their days with vulnerable people in a way that Harry Kane isn’t, it’s that the very well paid footballers put a mass of support staff at risk and also complain about the possibility of not going to Qatar. Meanwhile there doesn’t seem to be people leaping to the defence of carers on minimum wage who don’t have the choice and who don’t generally have wealth to fall back on if for some reason they can’t be vaccinated.

@Jangle33

Agree 100%. It will be interesting to see how many employers make a covid vaccine compulsory over the next few months

I read an article sent to me by, I think, the Institute of Management or similar, saying that their surveys suggested that as many as 70% of companies were considering making vaccination mandatory.

@Unsure33 I don't think they have been officially released, no. I know approximately what my organisation's figures are, but I've no idea how that compares with other firms - and I'm afraid I can't tell you our numbers on here either.

The best I can currently find is this from National Care Forum - but it's from February www.nationalcareforum.org.uk/draft/vaccine-take-up-among-social-care-workforce/

@flev

My mother is going to have double handed care and I was quite surprised to be told that finding that care in our area was not going to be a problem. But to be fair it has not happened yet .

@osnapitzchloe

What I don't understand is if they're doing this for carers how come they won't for NHS staff? Not like I agree with anyone getting fired, I just don't get it? Can someone explain it to me or am I just being dim

Care homes were badly hit and they’re starting there. It’s not just care workers, it’s anyone who is going into a care home in a professional capacity. NHS workers are included in this such as; occupational therapists and community nurses.

@Fatya

Well Harry Kane isn't going to be looking after my granny so.. Yeah but what about Wayne Rooney?

Oh for a 'like' button!

It's also not mandatory to be a care worker as far as I'm aware

Try telling the Job Centre that!

@LemonWeb

Why not professional footballers? I’m struggling to be sympathetic with these spoilt men who want to keep getting massive salaries but feel that public health protection measures needn’t apply to them. AIBU?

Spoilt men Massive salaries

And the relevance is what?

You're jealous and their salaries are irrelevant for vaccine take up!

@LemonWeb

I haven’t flounced - of course I get the fact that care workers are going to be spending their days with vulnerable people in a way that Harry Kane isn’t, it’s that the very well paid footballers put a mass of support staff at risk and also complain about the possibility of not going to Qatar. Meanwhile there doesn’t seem to be people leaping to the defence of carers on minimum wage who don’t have the choice and who don’t generally have wealth to fall back on if for some reason they can’t be vaccinated.

You dislike them because they earn a good wage.....

Get over yourself!

Sounds like you’re just jealous of the amount they’re paid tbh.

[quote 5zeds]**@621CustardCream438* While ideally they’d be vaccinated, the phrase beggars can’t be choosers springs to mind.*

It’s how we treat the most vulnerable that shows who and what we are. I find what you said here utterly repellent.[/quote]
Agree, how we treat our most vulnerable defines our society.

We outsource to desperate people because we can not find time in our lives to care for those that raised us.
We force on these people standards that we do not expect on others. A doctor for example
We reject euthanasia yet force people to endure living in a state which would land you in prison if you did it to a dog.
And we expect women to shoulder much of this, be they daughters or daughters in law.
I agree Utterly repellent.

Spoilt men
Massive salaries

And the relevance is what?

You're jealous and their salaries are irrelevant for vaccine take up

The fact you feel need to defend this says a lot. How can anyone justify the salaries.

@MercyBooth

It's also not mandatory to be a care worker as far as I'm aware

Try telling the Job Centre that!

I wonder if the Job Centre will sanction job seekers for not applying for care work if they are unvaccinated?

@AuntieUrsula

People are bothered now because this vaccine is new and has loads of documented adverse side effects - over 1,600 post-vaccine deaths in the UK alone. Of course, there's no way of knowing how many of those deaths are actually linked to the vaccine, but it's not unreasonable for (particularly young) people to be hesitant.

Besides which, being vaccinated does not even stop you getting Covid.

On a practical level, the industry is already so short of workers that I suspect many care homes will quietly ignore this requirement. There was a care home manager on the radio saying exactly this just the other day.

this is a vaccine, like any other vaccine, not safer, or more dangerous, or less effective , or more effective.

Level of effectiveness - average

Amount of side effects - average

So I'm still asking, why is this one different? Vaccines which are less effective, less long lasting and have more side effects have been compulsory for some jobs for decades - no issues!

Why have all these people who suddenly care passionately now, never ever cared about this principle before?

It’s different in the sense that MRNA vaccines don’t work the same way as traditional vaccines do.
A traditional vaccine uses a weakened or dead piece of virus to raise an immune response.
An mRNA uses a small piece of rna/dna to teach your own cells to make the protein, then learn the immune response.
A comparison can be found here.

www.breakthroughs.com/advancing-medical-research/what-makes-rna-vaccine-different-conventional-vaccine

If anyone wants a longer read on the comparisons of different types of vaccine- why is Pfizer different to Oxford; this can be found here.

www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-trials

This is the first time mRNA vaccines have been used, and the approval is for ‘emergency use only’, and these vaccines will not officially be fully approved until late 2022/ early 2023.

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03219-y

People care because of mandates and passports and feel coerced into taking something that they may not want. The stakes are higher.
‘Getting your freedom back’ or worrying about your ability to make a living should not be a factor in the decision to take or decline a vaccine, it should be in the individual’s own best medical interests and to weigh up the risk / benefit of the intervention to themselves.

@Orangejuicemarathoner because people knew about those requirements before they applied for the job. This is a change to a contract and people are getting fired. Not only that but there is no exemption for people who are immune after having the virus. That makes no sense if the reason for having the vaccine is to protect the people they’re caring for, particularly when we know the vaccine isn’t as effective against transmission.

@bumbleymummy But there are 1000's of carers, that have many years of working in care.

Aaaah do u think you'll become magnetic if u have it?

@vodkaredbullgirl sarcasm?

@bumbleymummy Tired night shift brain lol

@AuntieUrsula

People are bothered now because this vaccine is new and has loads of documented adverse side effects - over 1,600 post-vaccine deaths in the UK alone.

Source? Can you quantify "loads"? The Yellow Card data says 74 deaths, 72 of which were due to the AZ vaccine.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

@OttilieKnackered

Footballers aren’t in close contact with vulnerable old people all day ffs. How can that not be obvious?

This.

Care workers are mainly looking after very vulnerable people.

@Whichjab

Spoilt men Massive salaries

And the relevance is what?

You're jealous and their salaries are irrelevant for vaccine take up

The fact you feel need to defend this says a lot. How can anyone justify the salaries.

I'm not justifying their salaries, I'm asking what it's got to do with them having the vaccine?

OP is clearly jealous and thinks they should be compared to carers?

MissConduct

The figures are in the very link you posted there, under 'Events with a fatal outcome' - 544 deaths post-Pfizer, 1091 after AZ, 19 Moderna and 28 unknown. I think you were looking just as blood clot deaths.

The caveat is that we don't know how many, if any, of these deaths were actually caused by the vaccine. There have been some cases though that have even made it into the news where the coroner has found death to be vaccine related - likely some kind of autoimmune response or extreme allergic reaction. And of course there are other serious adverse reactions in the database that aren't fatal.

I just don't like talking about anti-vaxxers are though they're all stupid or crazy.