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SuperstarDog · 06/10/2021 08:39

I didn't see a single incidence of deliberate cruelty although I did occasionally see things go wrong.

The deliberate cruelty is a thing though, around the world and in UK slaughter houses. 😔

HangingOver · 06/10/2021 08:46

*Give it a try maybe 6 months and the pavlovs response (salivation) to cheese disappears

Most of your bodily functions will disappear when you eventually become malnourished*

Oh don't be a drama lama. Not every vegan is on the brink of starvation. I had a huge BBQ yesterday and two magnums for pudding

Wazzzzzzzup · 06/10/2021 08:50

@HangingOver

*Give it a try maybe 6 months and the pavlovs response (salivation) to cheese disappears

Most of your bodily functions will disappear when you eventually become malnourished*

Oh don't be a drama lama. Not every vegan is on the brink of starvation. I had a huge BBQ yesterday and two magnums for pudding

Off topic but I need to know 1-what is huge bbq? (I am making a note of what people consider huge salad and huge whatnot here) 2-what bbq do you have because mine would totally not do well in this wind yesterday 😂

SuperstarDog · 06/10/2021 08:55

I had a huge BBQ yesterday and two magnums for pudding

I’m not usually one for ice cream but I tried those magnums recently and can confirm they are very nice. The kids liked them as well so I shall be buying them instead of the dairy ones in future when buying.

FluffyBooBoo · 06/10/2021 08:58

1-what is huge bbq?

I think this one would qualify

SuperstarDog · 06/10/2021 09:05

Give it a try maybe 6 months and the pavlovs response (salivation) to cheese disappears

I’ve never really missed cheese, or any food really. But my friend makes her own vegan cheese and it’s really nice, much better than the stuff I’ve bought.

DdraigGoch · 06/10/2021 09:38

[quote HuhWhatNow]@BelleOfTheProvince I agree with you here. The whole industry needs a bigger shake up than those attempted in the past. We still have too many slaughterhouses breaking the rules and it not coming to light. Farming methods in the UK are pretty good on the whole and a lot of my friends farm and the livestock are happy and healthy but there will always be room for improvement, even for the good ones.

I knew a farmer who was an absolutely vile piece of shit who gave no thought to his livestock's quality of life. If he took 30 cattle to slaughter, at least 4 or 5 would be sent away because they had eye abscesses, broken legs or god knows what else wrong. On the one hand it was good that abattoirs had health standards but the fact he was just sent home, no investigations or follow ups meant that it was just him losing out financially when the beast died at home or he was forced to treat it enough to get it to a killable state. And when he'd leave his ewes in a cattle building for days without food the RSPCA were as much use as a chocolate teapot.

I eat meat. I just want higher welfare standards too. I've raised my own and felt no guilt about taking them to be slaughtered and butchered. It's why we raised them, but they did live a happy life too. [/quote]
He's a fool because happy animals taste better and are therefore more valuable.

Wazzzzzzzup · 06/10/2021 09:44

@FluffyBooBoo

1-what is huge bbq?

I think this one would qualify

Totally 😂

CounsellorTroi · 06/10/2021 09:45

Im not sure you can necessarily conflate "morally ok with" with "happy to do it yourself".

This - how many who are morally ok with capital punishment would be happy to carry out executions themselves?

SuperstarDog · 06/10/2021 09:52

This - how many who are morally ok with capital punishment would be happy to carry out executions themselves?

I’d be totally fine with that for people guilty of the worst crimes. They’re guilty, animals are innocent.

SuperstarDog · 06/10/2021 09:55

Posted too soon.

I just think it would be worse for murderers and rapist to suffer for years in prison and they deserve to suffer. But I wouldn’t have a problem with capital punishment and doing it myself other than that.

mustlovegin · 06/10/2021 10:46

The lives of insects and animals appear to be more valuable than those of humans to some.

00100001 · 06/10/2021 11:00

@SuperstarDog

This - how many who are morally ok with capital punishment would be happy to carry out executions themselves?

I’d be totally fine with that for people guilty of the worst crimes. They’re guilty, animals are innocent.

You'd execute a human being that someone in authority has told you needs to die without question??

thevassal · 06/10/2021 11:10

"Should understand the full realities of slaughter and meat processing" yes, fair enough. "Should be willing to do it themselves" um, no. Unless vegans are willing to spend hours milking an almond! I fully understand and appreicate the importance of surgeons performing heart surgery or care assistants giving intimate care or lorry drivers delivering fuel, doesn't mean its important or practical for me to be able to do all those things myself!

Xenia · 06/10/2021 11:11

Humans have triumphed over animals and almost destroyed the planet because we can survive on 100% fat/fish (Inuit), 100% veg, mixed meat and veg and all sorts. However I like meat and fish and eggs and do best on that and if humans die off a bit sooner than we were always going to do it does not matter.

derxa · 06/10/2021 11:14

@Xenia

Humans have triumphed over animals and almost destroyed the planet because we can survive on 100% fat/fish (Inuit), 100% veg, mixed meat and veg and all sorts. However I like meat and fish and eggs and do best on that and if humans die off a bit sooner than we were always going to do it does not matter.

Exactly Xenia

SuperstarDog · 06/10/2021 11:27

However I like meat and fish and eggs and do best on that and if humans die off a bit sooner than we were always going to do it does not matter.

It just depends what your concerns are. I’m very concerned about animal welfare.

TrollsAreSaddos · 06/10/2021 12:58

@SuperstarDog

I didn't see a single incidence of deliberate cruelty although I did occasionally see things go wrong.

The deliberate cruelty is a thing though, around the world and in UK slaughter houses. 😔

I agree that there is plenty of animal cruelty about in farming and meat processing but I think and hope that the way the industry has evolved means there is less of it. On the past animals would be killed in small local abattoirs which were harder to regulate but nowadays abattoirs tend to be huge factories where everything is done in a more regulated way. The fact these mega abattoirs mean that animals have to travel further is obviously a bad thing though. Meat is an expensive commodity and animal that suffer undue stress and which are not killed efficiently won't produce as good quality meat.

SuperstarDog · 06/10/2021 13:39

I agree that there is plenty of animal cruelty about in farming and meat processing but I think and hope that the way the industry has evolved means there is less of it. On the past animals would be killed in small local abattoirs which were harder to regulate but nowadays abattoirs tend to be huge factories where everything is done in a more regulated way. The fact these mega abattoirs mean that animals have to travel further is obviously a bad thing though.
Meat is an expensive commodity and animal that suffer undue stress and which are not killed efficiently won't produce as good quality meat.

I don’t know if the way the industry has evolved has helped either. I do know that even with cctv in abbatoirs, it’s still happening. Some of the practices aren’t carried out correctly and the employed vets are not always acting in the interest of the animals. Last week I seen some footage from hidden cameras, gained over the last 6 months at a UK abbatoir showing animals being abused, that is some of the worst I’ve ever seen.

I think it’s wrong that animals are a ‘commodity’ and they all suffer from stress even the ones that are killed ‘humanely’. ‘Humanely’.....🙄 ... another word humans use to make it sound ‘ok’.

mustlovegin · 06/10/2021 15:09

Last week I seen some footage from hidden cameras, gained over the last 6 months

I think you are being indoctrinated SuperstarDog. Those who are showing you this footage don't have your best interests at heart

SuperstarDog · 06/10/2021 15:36

I think you are being indoctrinated SuperstarDog. Those who are showing you this footage don't have your best interests at heart

Not sure why you’d think that. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’ve worked in animal welfare for many years and also campaign in my free time.

Darlingx · 06/10/2021 17:17

I think the biggest crime is waste in the food industry . The fact food production has been industrialised and there is over production. So that animal’s life was reared and then slaughtered to be tossed as waste is the biggest crime to the farmer and animal. I worked on a grassfed meat stall .The farmer slaughtered two cows and every bit of that cow is used . People would arrive early for the offal special Paleo diet and they sold off everything. then considering I used to be Veggie from 13 yrs old but I just seem to function better with animal protein these days but I am not such a fan of stronger flavoured meats lamb, beef . I mainly have chicken or fish . I would struggle to slaughter a Cow or a lamb but not a chicken as when I have chicken I strip the carcass for soup and grew up with an uncle who had a farm. It’s maybe the young calves with beautiful eyes and long lashes in the cart going off to slaughter that influenced me turning veggie? I was the only one in the family in the 80s and my mother refused to adapt any meals.

carsonsmummy14 · 06/10/2021 22:25

@hashbrownsandwich

Should be comfortable to slaughter animals if they are happy to eat them?

The 'cheap chicken' threads have got me onto this and I'm at home with covid so be gentle!

My own personal background is that I am vegetarian and have been since I was 7. Own decision. I cook meat for my children and my husband because I believe, like i was given, it's a choice that can be made for themselves.

My husband is from farming background and has proactively raised and slaughtered animals. His conscience is entirely clear because he very much has the farmer mindset of raise the animal, give them a good life, dispatch and consume.

It's coming up to 'Turkey time' on the family farm and with the so called shortages forecast this year, I've found myself having more conversations with colleagues about the food chain/supply etc.

We live in an affluent area and we have lots of farm shops, butchers etc. However, I'm shocked that most people I know have said while they couldn't give up meat, they also wouldn't be happy to raise animals for slaughter themselves or to witness their slaughter.

So AIBU to to believe, if you're going to eat meat, it's your moral duty to be ok with animal slaughter?

Just to say, what I've tried in a long winded way above is that i'm not a preachy veggie and I'm not vegan.

I see where you're coming from... ish.

But then if you use your analogy in every other situation in life, it sounds like YABU.

I am more than happy/comfortable with having a poo... but you wouldn't find me looking through the sewer cleaning job section. Love wax melts, but I buy them not make them. I adore salmon, but I wouldn't be taking up fishing any time soon.

Let's say I'm the last person in the land and I'm staring face to face with a lamb. If it meant my life depended on eating it, of course I would.

Seeing as I don't have to do the slaughtering, (just like I don't have to do the baking of my bread) I won't. If asked would I like to, nope, and to a degree "I couldnt". But if I absolutely had to? Yes....

Same goes for cleaning the sewer ha! bork

Mamanyt · 07/10/2021 00:38

@FluffyBooBoo

The only way is vegan I'm afraid

Not what my doctor told me. And I'm not the only person I know who's health has suffered and has had to go back to eating animal products.

I'm not saying people don't thrive on a vegan diet. But not everyone does.

Thank you, there are a handful of people who lack the enzymes to recombine plant proteins into full proteins. I am one of them. I attempted to go vegan, and was left with permanent heart damages as my body began scavenging my organs for protein. Nor am I the only person who found out about this the same way.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 07/10/2021 01:18

Where does it end though, meat eaters are an easy target. How about sweat shops, products of which a vast majority of us use, would people be happy to make their own clothes/gadgets etc? Exotic ingredients, grow your own? Weird for someone in a meat eating household to ask this without looking at the bigger picture.
Grew up on a farm, have seen how the animals went from field to plate, no rose tinted glasses from an early age. Ate meat every single day and had fresh untreated milk from the cows. Both grandparents lived to 98 and 100 respectively. Felt sorry for the animals when I was little but there was never a choice not to eat the meat. You had your starch, meat and veg twice a day, porridgefor breakfast. If you didn't want somethingon your plate, there was no replacement, you'd just go without. Everything edible from the carcass was used and would happily slaughter my own knowing they'd been well bred and wouldn't go to waste. I'm 38 so not talking too long ago.