Kate Middleton is a role model for me?

[BlueBookBag]

I like the way she looks, so pretty and stylish but classic and simple at the same time.

Slim but toned and athletic figure, meanwhile I could lose a few kg.

Her personality seems refined and elegant, you will never catch her sharing controversial opinions or offending views.

She seems to be a supportive wife and mother

Seems overall to live such an elegant life.

AIBU? To want to be more like Kate and see her as a role model?

[quote julieca]@Blossomtoes you could google? I read it in the mainstream newspapers at the time. Not tabloids and not magazines talking about celebs.[/quote]
Ah, your famous research methods again. You make an assertion, it’s up to you to prove it. Unless you can, I won’t believe it. Tell you what, you go and Google it and show me what you find.

I read it in the mainstream newspapers at the time

Like The Guardian?

Yeah I tire of your constant insults.
I read a number of newspapers every day. The Guardian, The Times and the Independent, and often the FT and I as well.
And I was surprised at the time to see lots of small articles about W and K concerns about how the engagements H and M were doing, was going to be covered. There was obviously a lot of discussion about who was going to cover these, and it was decided to give Sophie and Edward a more prominent role.

So show us an example.

@derxa

I’m trying to work out whether you think that the royals should have an extra layer of privacy compared to, say, an MP or Tulsa or Simon Cowell or somebody. Where did you get that idea?

It’s a question, not an idea. You have repeatedly noted that speculating on whether Prince William had an affair is ‘unedifying’ or ‘none of [another poster’s] business’.

I’m asking whether you think that it’s somehow worse to discuss the behaviour of the royal family than it would be to discuss the behaviour of other people in the public eye.

Do you think that?

If you think that we shouldn’t be discussing anybody’s behaviour, ever, then I assume that you will be campaigning for the closure of all gossip magazines and the reintroduction of the scold’s bridle.

She really just means we should all return to a time when everyone said the RF were marvellous and there were no criticisms ever.

@mustlovegin I didn't say Kate was fearful or lazy- I have no idea about her at all. I came on the thread to express disappointment that other posters were taking the piss out of someone who says their aim life is to raise their children to be activist.

It is those who think that's a risible aim I'd characterise as fearful and lazy.

It’s a question, not an idea. You have repeatedly noted that speculating on whether Prince William had an affair is ‘unedifying’ or ‘none of [another poster’s] business’. I’m asking whether you think that it’s somehow worse to discuss the behaviour of the royal family than it would be to discuss the behaviour of other people in the public eye. Do you think that? No. People can discuss whatever and about whoever they like. I will say that spreading false gossip damages people's lives. Gossiping is not a harmless activity. It can ruin the reputation of innocent people.

If you think that we shouldn’t be discussing anybody’s behaviour, ever, then I assume that you will be campaigning for the closure of all gossip magazines and the reintroduction of the scold’s bridle.

When is something gossip, and when it is a fact that a court injunction means the British newspapers can't publish?

Sorry I should have put your bottom paragraph in bold with the rest of it.
If you think that we shouldn’t be discussing anybody’s behaviour, ever, then I assume that you will be campaigning for the closure of all gossip magazines and the reintroduction of the scold’s bridle.

If you think that we shouldn’t be discussing anybody’s behaviour, ever, then I assume that you will be campaigning for the closure of all gossip magazines and the reintroduction of the scold’s bridle.

You can have an negative opinion on gossip magazines without campaigning to have them closed.

I know your question wasn’t aimed at me, but I would say that generally speaking, I don’t care about (rumoured or proven) celebrity affairs, and most of what is written in gossip magazines is no ones business. I do think sometimes there are exceptions, the most recent example I can think of is Matt Hancock’s affair with someone he had hired. But generally that isn’t the case, and discussing what is mainly rumours and supposition is a waste of time.

discussing what is mainly rumours and supposition is a waste of time.

Each to their own. Personally I love rumours and supposition, particularly about wealthy publicly funded people. Like the royal family, for example, or as you note, Matt Hancock. None of whom probably give a stuff about whether I’m gossiping about them, so I feel no guilt.

You can have an negative opinion on gossip magazines without campaigning to have them closed.

Agreed, but the PP attempted to shut down another poster by saying ‘it’s none of your business’. I was interested in whether she applied the same approach to other channels where events that are, strictly speaking, none of our business are reported and discussed.

[quote SoftplayTaintedLove]@mustlovegin I didn't say Kate was fearful or lazy- I have no idea about her at all. I came on the thread to express disappointment that other posters were taking the piss out of someone who says their aim life is to raise their children to be activist.

It is those who think that's a risible aim I'd characterise as fearful and lazy.[/quote]
It's not the aim to raise activists that was funny. If you read the full exchanges and still don't understand what we were laughing at, don't worry about it.

Agreed, but the PP attempted to shut down another poster by saying ‘it’s none of your business’. I was interested in whether she applied the same approach to other channels where events that are, strictly speaking, none of our business are reported and discussed. As they say 'Who's 'she' the cat's mother?'. I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to gossip. However spreading false gossip is nasty and can destroys people's lives. This can end up in cases such as Carl Beech

Gossip is wonderful. It’s like getting the news early. Of course, it’s not always very reliable but fun nonetheless.

Whatever you think, PW is definitely an insensitive git. He was photographed partying at some resort while Kate was home with the kids. He even had his arm around the waist of some pretty lady but the press gave him a break by focussing on his ‘dad dancing’ couldn’t believe they did him a solid like that, his wife must have still been furious 😂

when it is a fact that a court injunction means the British newspapers can't publish

A court injunction doesn't mean that the gossip is true though

@derxa

Agreed, but the PP attempted to shut down another poster by saying ‘it’s none of your business’. I was interested in whether she applied the same approach to other channels where events that are, strictly speaking, none of our business are reported and discussed. As they say 'Who's 'she' the cat's mother?'. I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to gossip. However spreading false gossip is nasty and can destroys people's lives. This can end up in cases such as Carl Beech

Are you upset by pronouns now, as well as by gossip? That must become tiresome. Try not to take it personally.

How do you know what is ‘false gossip’ and what is real? Do you know better than everyone else? In this example, do you know for sure that Prince William has never been unfaithful to his wife?

It’s rather fanciful to speculate that any gossip whatsoever leads to malicious allegations of the Carl Beech variety. Carl Beech was malicious, and saying that he was motivated to act the way he did solely as a consequence of having heard gossip is stretching a point rather.

It’s rather fanciful to speculate that any gossip whatsoever leads to malicious allegations of the Carl Beech variety. Carl Beech was malicious, and saying that he was motivated to act the way he did solely as a consequence of having heard gossip is stretching a point rather.
He was the one concocting and spreading the falsehoods.

Well in that case, if you are saying that Carl Beech wasn’t influenced by gossip he heard elsewhere, and he acted alone, then you must accept that gossip in and of itself is not inherently harmful. It’s the people making up false allegations and reporting them to the police who cause harm.

@Iamthewombat

Well in that case, if you are saying that Carl Beech wasn’t influenced by gossip he heard elsewhere, and he acted alone, then you must accept that gossip in and of itself is not inherently harmful. It’s the people making up false allegations and reporting them to the police who cause harm.

Gossip can be extremely harmful true or not true. People's reputations are precious to them. False gossip is the most pernicious of all. I know this because it happened to me and I suffered terrible distress. But you carry on saying that gossip is harmless.

I know this because it happened to me

I guessed that, because you’re not engaging with the questions. I’m sorry for your troubles but you can’t stop people carrying out a leisure activity - which is what gossip is - because somebody once, upset you by using that activity for malicious purposes.

If somebody boarded a bus and started beating all the passengers with a cricket bat, would you ban cricket if you could?

Would you like to ban the internet because people sometimes post unpleasant things?

Of course not.

@Iamthewombat

I know this because it happened to me

I guessed that, because you’re not engaging with the questions. I’m sorry for your troubles but you can’t stop people carrying out a leisure activity - which is what gossip is - because somebody once, upset you by using that activity for malicious purposes.

If somebody boarded a bus and started beating all the passengers with a cricket bat, would you ban cricket if you could?

Would you like to ban the internet because people sometimes post unpleasant things?

Of course not.

I'm actually speechless at your lack of empathy. 'A leisure activity' indeed. I won't reply to any more of your posts.

Good.

This is so funny. Thread was worth it for this alone. Tiny activists. Chilling. Confident prediction of "extraordinary" lives, as if marrying the heir apparent is bog standard. Boastfulness. It's got it all.

I actually think that was one of my favourite ever posts I've read on Mumsnet

@Blossomtoes

She may have aristocratic links on her father’s side but her maternal great grandfather was a miner from County Durham.

The money (the trust fund for her education) came from a relative who was a mill owner in Leeds and lost his sons in the 1st WW. So solid middle class.