Horrible abusers in the music industry - R Kelly verdict [title edit by MNHQ]

[RickJames]

Well, R Kelly is off to jail. Thank goodness. He was evil! But he made some great music. Like Chris Brown, Michael Jackson and to a certain extent James Brown. Ike Turner, Phil Spector, Gary Glitter.. even David Bowie was after it in the 60's. Jon Bonham they were all at it. Either or both abuse of women and children. Even that chap from Kasabian beat his wife up. It seems to be a thing. Loads more examples possible.

AIBU to expect that despite the enjoyable music they created/ sang on they shouldn't be played on commercial/ public radio anymore. Maybe if we protested then (im not innocent, I know it would be purely for the money) record companies would insist on non-criminal behaviour. In much the same way that say, for example, Siemens or Haringey Council would as employers.

Part of me feels like the music should stand for its musical value. A larger part of me feels like 'this is why we can't have nice things' and we shouldn't tolerate any part of their legacies.

AIBU?

I think YABU, yes r Kelly disgusts me but I can separate his crimes from the music.

There is a interesting podcast I listened to with a member of the lost prophets. I really feel for them considering everything they also worked hard at has been ruined by that monster! I do agree their music shouldn’t be played though!

Sappenin podcast Stuart Richardson if your interested.

@Marguerite2000

Okay, David Bowie did NOT have a teenage girlfriend (or hoard wee). I'm not that invested in him to need these things to be true.

That still leaves plenty of other convicted criminals in the music business, unfortunately.

@Mantlemoose

Bad coincidence, I have no specific gas fitter in mind. It's just a generic name I made up.

@speakout

I agree OP, abuse was rife- and still is. People like Freddie Mercury- all that glam rock era was particulary bad. I can't listen to music from that time.

Freddie?

This thread will likely get pulled because of the gossipy posts.

Probably better to stick to facts, and those who have actually been convicted.

Its a really tough one because there are probably very few actors, sportsmen, artists etc who haven't had some kind of accusation in the past. Where do we draw the line at cancelling them?

Should it be when they are convicted, or just accused or somewhere in between?

Iggy's MN AIBU would have been fantastic- AIBU to think my flatmate shouldn't be using our fridge to store his wee?

This literally made me lol

Re David bowie, do you mean Bebbe Buller (sorry not sure on spelling). She was well known for claiming to have had sex with every prominent music star.

My current sad is Cee Lo Green aka Gnarls Barkley. I loved "Fuck You" and that whole album. Then the fucker did this
www.theguardian.com/music/2014/sep/02/cee-lo-green-it-isnt-if-the-victim-is-unconscious

Power corrupts.

Its shocking how many people, given the opportunity will take it:

Entertainment
Politics
Sport
Church
Education

I know it can't be everyone, but it's starting to feel like "almost everyone".

A teacher from when I was at school has been jailed and ordered to pay £10k compensation to a girl he had a "realtionship" with while we were at school this week. It was common knowledge at the time (30 years ago).

I'm upset I can't listen to Lost Prophets but I remember there being some sort of order a few years ago confirming that Ian Watkins was still entitled to royalties, just not while in prison. It was a very disappointing decision for his band mates. Their music is still on Spotify for now.

When my youngest child was still in primary school a few years ago, a Michael Jackson song was used in their class assembly. Most parents were like wtaf? I don’t think they’ll be doing that again.

I don’t know how people still listen to the likes of Michael Jackson and Gary Glitter.

[quote RickJames]@Marguerite2000

Okay, David Bowie did NOT have a teenage girlfriend (or hoard wee). I'm not that invested in him to need these things to be true.

That still leaves plenty of other convicted criminals in the music business, unfortunately.

@Mantlemoose

Bad coincidence, I have no specific gas fitter in mind. It's just a generic name I made up.[/quote]
If you're not that interested why do you repeat rumours and gossip then?
Child abuse is a serious matter, not just something to gossip over on an internet forum.

I'm still more upset about discovering Philip Larkin was a paedophile.

"they fuck you up, your mum and dad" YES MATE

It is better not to hero worship anyone in the first place.

I hope we are banning the Catholic Church while we are on this crusade. And those fuckers were equal opportunities abusers with the nuns dealing out abuse to the girls in their care as well.

I have no issues with individuals deciding not to buy or listen to music/art/books from a convicted criminal. However, I am firmly against censoring them out and telling other people they cannot buy or listen to that person’s work. I am also against insisting record companies insist on noncriminality for their artists. Or staging any protests to prevent their music/art/books being available to the public.

It’s not celebrating an artist to listen to or buy their work, it is equivalent to merely allowing convict Bob to replace your boiler instead of denying him employment and a way to earn an honest living.

Didn't Lori Maddix claim that she'd dated David Bowie before she hooked up with Jimmy Page, aged 14?

I had no interest in R. Kelly's music anyway, but my modest hope is that he is never permitted to make any more. I looked up Mike Tyson last night and was shocked at how his rape conviction and three years of incarceration were completely brushed off. He came out and went right back to boxing, and was inducted into numerous Halls of Fame right up until a few years ago. A convicted fucking rapist and nobody cares, even now.

It’s not celebrating an artist to listen to or buy their work, it is equivalent to merely allowing convict Bob to replace your boiler instead of denying him employment and a way to earn an honest living.

I think the whole point is we do not want to contribute towards the 'honest living' of people like that.

I have no issues with individuals deciding not to buy or listen to music/art/books from a convicted criminal. However, I am firmly against censoring them out and telling other people they cannot buy or listen to that person’s work.

I don’t think they should be allowed to be played in public places, I guess if you want to people play the music of paedophiles that’s up you.

Suspect hoarding of body products in the 1970s might relate to Crowley Magick and involved more than Bowie though as some are still alive, no names here.

Regarding the issue, what threshold and only music or cinema, TV, fine art? Might be difficult in collaborative media - would any Hollywood film be 'clean'?. Just front of house talent or does it extend to the Producer and/or organisation/label/studio? Am not trying to 'whatabout'.

@Fluffypastelslippers

It’s not celebrating an artist to listen to or buy their work, it is equivalent to merely allowing convict Bob to replace your boiler instead of denying him employment and a way to earn an honest living.

I think the whole point is we do not want to contribute towards the 'honest living' of people like that.

That’s fine as an individual choice, but you shouldn’t be imposing your choice on other people. I have no issue with a convict earning an honest living.

Should Rolling Stones music be banned because of Bill Wyman?

@SuperstarDog

I have no issues with individuals deciding not to buy or listen to music/art/books from a convicted criminal. However, I am firmly against censoring them out and telling other people they cannot buy or listen to that person’s work.

I don’t think they should be allowed to be played in public places, I guess if you want to people play the music of paedophiles that’s up you.

I simply do not care what crimes a musician committed so long as they are caught and doing their prison time. The prison and fines are their debt to society. If a Michael Jackson song we’re played, I’d care even less because he’s dead so it’s not like he’d accrue any benefit from his music being played, only his innocent children who own his estate.

Bill Wyman makes my skin crawl
He was dating Mandy Smith when she was 14

Truth be told the Entertainment industry always seems worse because it’s people we are aware of. This abuse by perverts happens across all industries, the difference being you don’t typically hear of all those people in the media unless they’re uniquely heinous crimes.