To disagree with NHS only petrol stations?

[pistachio20]

Some petrol stations around me have now said that they are only allowing in NHS staff to refuel - apparently checking ID.

I find this completely ridiculous and unfair - not only because the majority of NHS staff where I live can easily get public transport to work (most who I know don’t drive to work anyway, and get train/bus anyway due to lack of free parking!).

So many crucial jobs require people to drive, let alone people with caring responsibilities, mobility issues, etc.

AIBU to think that it’s unfair?

YANBU, I work in a care home - not NHS.

*No that's not my point.

She gets in her NHS car and does 800-1200 miles a week going to people's homes. See? She needs petrol to do her job. And if she can't do her job, her pregnant women and women who have just given birth do not get the care they need. The NHS do not provide her with petrol to do her job. She has to fill ups her car herself. Get it now?*

Yes, but: if the lorry drivers can't get fuel to pumps, she can't get the fuel in any circumstances or at any priority level, because it's not fucking there Get it now?

@hangrylady

No that's not my point.

She gets in her NHS car and does 800-1200 miles a week going to people's homes. See? She needs petrol to do her job. And if she can't do her job, her pregnant women and women who have just given birth do not get the care they need. The NHS do not provide her with petrol to do her job. She has to fill ups her car herself. Get it now?

I get it and nobody is saying that her job isn't vital and of course she should be able to buy fuel. if you read my previous comments I have said that there should be a limit applied so that everyone can get what they need. What about patients who need to drive themselves to hospital? Myself and another poster have given examples of dialysis patents and cancer patients. They don't work for the NHS so if only NHS workers are allowed to buy fuel, which is what this thread is about, then these patients could not get to hospital to have treatment. Get it now??

Yes and I never said the NHS should be the only ones to get priority. Carers, physiotherapists for sufferers of conditions like cystic fibrosis, MacMillan nurses - there are plenty of crucial workers with high claims to priority treatment. Also ambulance drivers and hospital transport volunteers because not going to a dialysis session or chemo appointment is self-evidently not an option.

But the snide comments about the NHS basically taking the piss are really beginning to annoy me. God! it's in a parlous enough state at the moment and there are enough people trying keep it to hanging together often going above and beyond their job description.

They should not 'join the queue like everyone else' because essentially the jobs many of them do are not the same as jobs done by 'everyone else'.

@TartanJumper

*No that's not my point.

She gets in her NHS car and does 800-1200 miles a week going to people's homes. See? She needs petrol to do her job. And if she can't do her job, her pregnant women and women who have just given birth do not get the care they need. The NHS do not provide her with petrol to do her job. She has to fill ups her car herself. Get it now?*

Yes, but: if the lorry drivers can't get fuel to pumps, she can't get the fuel in any circumstances or at any priority level, because it's not fucking there Get it now?

And if her car blows up, she can't get it fixed because the people working in garages could not get to work either...

One woman filling up car plus 4 petrol cans . Another woman filling water bottles with petrol at pump!!!! Another trying to sell 10 litres of petrol on Facebook! Isn’t that stockpiling or rather pure stupidity?!!
As I said, the shortage is due to brainless idiots panic buying, fuelled by the media.

@Mirw

You would think that NHS staff didn't get paid and only volunteered their time. They are not special. They are paid to do a job like all other workers. Lorry drivers should be first on the list. Or carers. This special treatment is an absolute nonsense. People now expect it.

This. ^

It's not fair for people to be penalised because they are not NHS workers, and to not be allowed petrol. Everyone is important and the vast VAST majority of people need their fuel to get to and from work, to get to sick and needy relatives, and to get food and essential supplies for themselves and their family.

If they don't get to work, they don't pay rent/mortgage, and bills, and they lose their home. I have compassion fatigue now with NHS workers.

Have to say, I have serious compassion fatigue now with the NHS workers.

@pistachio20 YANBU.

*BJ just ruled out NHS priority.

I hope you all have kept your first aid courses up to date.*

Imagine no food water or power, or is it NHS trump's all. And guess what the NHS needs food water and power too.

@TartanJumper

*No that's not my point.

She gets in her NHS car and does 800-1200 miles a week going to people's homes. See? She needs petrol to do her job. And if she can't do her job, her pregnant women and women who have just given birth do not get the care they need. The NHS do not provide her with petrol to do her job. She has to fill ups her car herself. Get it now?*

Yes, but: if the lorry drivers can't get fuel to pumps, she can't get the fuel in any circumstances or at any priority level, because it's not fucking there Get it now?

Are but are they up to scratch on their breast-feeding techniques? And can they spot pre-eclampsia?

This is relevant to my post how?

As far as I know it isn't community midwives or any of the other NHS personnel who are stopping them doing their jobs. So I get it, yes. What I don't get is why you were so aggressive about it.

One woman filling up car plus 4 petrol cans . Another woman filling water bottles with petrol at pump!!!! Another trying to sell 10 litres of petrol on Facebook! Isn’t that stockpiling or rather pure stupidity?!!
As I said, the shortage is due to brainless idiots panic buying, fuelled by the media.

NHS workers can do no wrong

@XenoBitch

And if her car blows up, she can't get it fixed because the people working in garages could not get to work either...

Exactly this. ^ And there are plenty more examples of workmen/ tradespeople/ skilled manual workers, who wouldn't be able to get to work, if ONLY THE NHS are allowed petrol!

I bet the people supporting this nonsensical idea, wouldn't be so keen if the gas maintenance man couldn't get to them to fix their heating, or the plumber couldn't get to them to fix their washing machine...

Utterly UTTERLY bonkers idea. For SO many reasons.

[quote MyPatronusIsACat]@XenoBitch

And if her car blows up, she can't get it fixed because the people working in garages could not get to work either...

Exactly this. ^ And there are plenty more examples of workmen/ tradespeople/ skilled manual workers, who wouldn't be able to get to work, if ONLY THE NHS are allowed petrol!

I bet the people supporting this nonsensical idea, wouldn't be so keen if the gas maintenance man couldn't get to them to fix their heating, or the plumber couldn't get to them to fix their washing machine...

Utterly UTTERLY bonkers idea. For SO many reasons.[/quote]
I would bet they would be on the phone to their local gas board, bleating about "being NHS" and deserving priority. "Sorry love... can't get to you. None of our guys have petrol. NHS only, innit".

@FrozenWillow

YABU

Pray that you never need the NHS. If you need a community nurse or community midwife, how are they going to assist you at your home without fuel in their car?

I don't know anyone that prays they will need the NHS....

Especially nowadays, when it's failing to treat so many people properly....

[quote MyPatronusIsACat]@XenoBitch

And if her car blows up, she can't get it fixed because the people working in garages could not get to work either...

Exactly this. ^ And there are plenty more examples of workmen/ tradespeople/ skilled manual workers, who wouldn't be able to get to work, if ONLY THE NHS are allowed petrol!

I bet the people supporting this nonsensical idea, wouldn't be so keen if the gas maintenance man couldn't get to them to fix their heating, or the plumber couldn't get to them to fix their washing machine...

Utterly UTTERLY bonkers idea. For SO many reasons.[/quote]
Or Telecoms - how do they think records, scans, updates etc are magically transported between NHS bodies, trusts, surgeries, even departments!!

Or all the factory’s where the medical supplies are made for the NHS but no NHS trumps everyone and everything

Well there won't be any need for NHS staff to get to the hospitals as no one else will be able to get there for their appointments.

Lots of people's jobs are vital as well.

Ditto all of the above. ^ NHS trumping everything is ludicrous. It's crazy that people cannot criticize them without being chastised.

@FrozenWillow

YABU

Pray that you never need the NHS. If you need a community nurse or community midwife, how are they going to assist you at your home without fuel in their car?

I might not have needed the NHS today, or yesterday, or the day before that. I pray I won't need them tomorrow. I sure as hell needed electricity, clean water, and food.

Do you really, honestly think that power generation staff, water treatment staff, people involved in food supply etc etc, should not have priority to fuel?

Are you genuinely happy to sit at home with no electricity?
Are the NHS staff all going to do their jobs with no electricity either?
How will the fuel pumps work?

@XenoBitch

I would bet they (NHS workers) would be on the phone to their local gas board, bleating about "being NHS" and deserving priority. "Sorry love... can't get to you. None of our guys have petrol. NHS only, innit".

That would be some supreme irony!

@SylviaTrench WELL SAID!

Deeply saddened by all the bile being spewed here.

The NHS is struggling, underfunded and understaffed. But so many of the people on the ground are doing the very best that they can under the most difficult of conditions. It isn't the workers in the NHS who set up this notion that the NHS can do no wrong. They more than anyone know the drawbacks and holes in the system. Neither do they want to be sanctified; Many absolutely cringed at the clapping and saucepan banging. They just want the tools to be able to do their job.

Nobody dies at this time of year if their boiler packs up. But somebody may well become gravely ill or even die if their essential health workers can't get through. I don't know of anyone working in the NHS who would use their position to get priority over a a malfunctioning boiler. All they're asking in this case is that before people fill their car with just-in-case petrol they might consider that others need cars for life or death jobs. And not just talking NHS here.

Some shocking posts here.

Problem is that in UK there is no separation between healthcare staff and healthcare syatem.
So if someone criticized NHS people take it as criticizm of staff, not of the overal system.
They are not one. Nhs isn't a person

I would bet they would be on the phone to their local gas board, bleating about "being NHS" and deserving priority. "Sorry love... can't get to you. None of our guys have petrol. NHS only, innit".

The same ones who were waving NHS badges to skip queues at supermarkets while all the pensioners waited out in the cold. Like my neighbour works 10-2 in a office NHS role but couldn’t possibly wait like everyone else.

@Bideshi

Deeply saddened by all the bile being spewed here.

The NHS is struggling, underfunded and understaffed. But so many of the people on the ground are doing the very best that they can under the most difficult of conditions. It isn't the workers in the NHS who set up this notion that the NHS can do no wrong. They more than anyone know the drawbacks and holes in the system. Neither do they want to be sanctified; Many absolutely cringed at the clapping and saucepan banging. They just want the tools to be able to do their job.

Nobody dies at this time of year if their boiler packs up. But somebody may well become gravely ill or even die if their essential health workers can't get through. I don't know of anyone working in the NHS who would use their position to get priority over a a malfunctioning boiler. All they're asking in this case is that before people fill their car with just-in-case petrol they might consider that others need cars for life or death jobs. And not just talking NHS here.

Some shocking posts here.

The NHS is not underfunded its funds are mismanaged. You could pour trillions into the NHS AND IT WOULDNT BE ENOUGH! It'll never be enough unless you sort out of the bureaucracy and ineffective processes that lead to funds being used in effectively.

Oh and where da fuck are th GPS hiding? Eh being funded by NHS and not even doing face to face appointments in many areas, not even returning phonecards picking up their fat wages and not even working full time. Like wtf! Why is money being wasted like that!

In many sectors people are getting a payrise, yet NHS workers are. You can argue they are low paid etc. But end of the day they are still getting a rise. Meanwhile hundreds and thousands of us who aren't will be suffering payouts anywhere up to £1y0 and beyond thanks to NI tax, increasing council tax and now increasing energy costs. We sont get payrises to soak up some of that cost.

So fuck off quite frankly. Trust me last thing anyone wants to be is ill!

@Itsnotover

YABU

I think it's fair. If other people could take what they need instead of filling up endless Jerry cans, thus wouldn't need to happen. But people are vultures & always will be.

Genuine question. What is the point of giving NHS staff petrol if none of their patients can make it to hospital because they have no fuel...