It shouldn’t be said that “only women have a cervix”.

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Watching Keir Stammer on Marr this morning scrambling to answer whether or not it is transphobic to say “only women have a cervix” was the final nail in the coffin for me this morning with Labour. In the aftermath of The Lancet calling women, “bodies with vaginas”, I think I’ve finally figured out that the current belief system is that transwomen are women, but women who were observed female at birth are “bodies with vaginas”. Clearly Labour aren’t in need of the votes of bodies with vaginas, brains and a spine.

@Tealightsandd

These far left extremists are mainly extremely privileged white males.

Erm. Angela Rayner...

But Angela Raynor just has a big gob and a small brain and will yell anything if she thinks that's the way 'intellectuals" think.

Angela Raynor is no friend to plain old women, there has to be some sort of adjective in front of the word women for her to even notice.

I despise her and her hair extensions and believe there are several reasons for her squelching into the front line of politics and none of them are to do with her power of thought.

How could even a child of five be asked to believe that.

Her thinking on trans alone marks her out as a numbskull.

Mainly. Its undeniable that they are, in massive majority male, white, straight, affluent, expensively educated, well connected, neurotypical and able bodied. The Deptford Womens Project letter nailed all this years ago.

The women helping them are women who have managed to make it this far in a one of the biggest boys' clubs there is, and they haven't got there by making any scary women-centred noises.

@Ninjawannabe

I can't disagree with any of you who've quoted my posted about hard hat, privilege etc. I really can't.

I hate the current situation, hate the word 'woman' being erased, hate compelled speech, hate many intelligent left leaning feminists somehow falling for this bullshit which centres men. As always

However for me voting is always a case of lesser of two evils, and for me I hate the fucking tories and their hatred and awful policies which harm everyone except their mates

To me the most important thing is always keeping those blood sucking scumbags out of power.

And I note no-one criticising my post has answered my point about how we're all blaming Labour for something which has been happening during the last 11 years of Tory rule.

So why post your hard hat thing if you didnt actually believe it. We've all concentrated on that bit because its so easy to 'disprove ' wrong word but cant think better, menopause strikes.

As for voting, one it's a while away, 2 tell us a better party? Can you?
Most of us cannot vote for our erasure. Once women are not a distinct group with the original meaning of biology/chromosomes then how can we organise anything for those women? Where will funding come from.

I'm a mixed voter anyway I've voted all the parties over time, I do the least worst so it's no skin off my nose to vote Tory next time. I do understand those who cant though and I feel for them with no actual party to vote for.

Personally I'm not blaming labour for the last decade (aside I think they don't want to be in power cos it's a shit show right now, they just want to wag a finger at the Tories and tell us they could do better, but not how they would, labour probably know they are ok when prosperous times abound then they can give all the money away easily, but when its a bit harder like the last 2 years kind of hard, they would be useless. Cant throw money at everything)
I am however blaming labour for not knowing what a woman is. That's the most basic for me.

We need to step back and think who is pushing this agenda. Big Pharma. Privileged White Males. There is an agenda. There is an end game.

@Ninjawannabe

I really do have to disagree when you say that

"To me, the most important thing is to keep those blood sucking scumbags out of power"

I think the most important thing is to keep out of power those who want to erase the word woman. It trumps everything.

@VanGoSunflowers

Yes! Gaslighting women, especially young women, to give up boundaries is pure evil.

This is being discussed on R4 news just now, they are speaking to someone who says they are a man and has a cervix. Also says he is a dad who gave birth ..... I fucking despair. Surely if you wish to be, or feel that you are a man but are biologically a woman, then giving birth is about the least manly thing you can do.

@deadleaves

I have 3 daughters and as the previous poster noted, young women seem to be OK with the TWAW bollox. They want to appear kind and inclusive etc

I think this shows that feminism needs not just to focus on material goals, such as equal pay, establishing refuges, but in challenging social attitudes about how women should behave towards others, with this huge focus on being kind and giving and self-sacrificing.
These really are very old and misogynistic ideas about what a women should be. There is a lot of emphasis on kindness now and it makes me uncomfortable as it is so easily used as a stick to keep women in 'their place with'.

I think as a society we should be teaching girls and women that it is better to be boundaried than kind.

I agree 100%. “Be Kind” can often be “Relax your Boundaries”…….

Men do not give birth and quite gingham! It’s interesting that Transmen only make the news when they’re doing something only women can do such as having a baby or having trouble accessing services only women need such as cervical screening

'Surely if you wish to be, or feel that you are a man but are biologically a woman, then giving birth is about the least manly thing you can do.'

Totally right. Being pregnant, giving birth, lactating - all some of the most biologically female things you can do. I say that as a woman who has done none of the above

@PanicStationsAhh

Well this "person with a cervix" (ffs ) won't ever be voting Labour whilst this sort of nonsense is being peddled!

Why do they sign up for this garbage?

Are they happy to put off real women voting for them?

On the Be Kind garbage, I like this: theblisteringrebuttal.substack.com/p/4183e962-ded5-47f7-b89f-c49b9de6cbb5

This is being discussed on R4 news just now, they are speaking to someone who says they are a man and has a cervix. Also says he is a dad who gave birth ..... I fucking despair. Surely if you wish to be, or feel that you are a man but are biologically a woman, then giving birth is about the least manly thing you can do.

I wish that just once an interviewer would ask what ‘living as a man means’ and how that is different ‘to living as a woman’.

Interviewers need to ask that question. What does living as a man or as a woman mean?

I am liking the slogan "if you don't respect my sex, don't expect my X", it sums up the argument perfectly - pithy. Seems sloganeering is what politicians listen to, after all.

Interviewers need to ask that question. What does living as a man or as a woman mean?

They'll just reply with some wishy washy, non committal bullshit like "it means something different to everyone"

'I wish that just once an interviewer would ask what ‘living as a man means’ and how that is different ‘to living as a woman’.'

YES x 100000 to this. Same as 'feeling like a woman'. I've been female for 42 years. I have no bloody clue what this nonsense means

@Congressdingo, I think you've just summed up where I stand on this.

[quote XingMing]@Congressdingo, I think you've just summed up where I stand on this.[/quote]
Which bit, just curious.
Good to know my meno addled brain is in fact doing ok and at least getting across.

@DevonTF

We need to step back and think who is pushing this agenda. Big Pharma. Privileged White Males. There is an agenda. There is an end game.

Follow the money and you’ll find the truth.

I am all for treating trans persons with respect but I don't want to have to learn a new set of lingo. I am just gonna continue to use the term woman.

And now David Lammy has said those opposing TWAW are dinosaurs and “hoarding” rights. The ultimate in gaslighting by a member of a sex class that hoarded rights from women, like voting, holding property, having a credit card other than in her husbands name. 🤬

Explain
‘Hoarding rights’
I’m intrigued.

FreeBritnee

Here is the source. labourlist.org/2021/09/anti-trans-members-are-dinosaurs-who-want-to-hoard-rights-says-lammy/

Last two paras @CongressDingo*, but I didn't disagree with anything you wrote before either.

'Lammy told the event that the “great story of the 20th century is “people who had no rights claiming those rights” – including the working class on the factory floor, and those fighting for LGBT rights and BME rights.

“I will always be on the side of minority communities kept out of the mix for having the freedoms everyone else has enjoyed'

It's not true that everyone has always enjoyed the right to have some things away from males.. It was a right that females needed. I mean heaving that in place in prisons, female only. Is a basic need. Not something that prisoners enjoy wtf.

Also some males are still not allowed in. The ones who don't want to intrude on spaces they know are women and girls only. Are they being marginalised too?