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To think that 'eat less move more', everything in moderation and CICO is total bollox?

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Honestopinion23 · 26/09/2021 09:01

CICO stands for calories in vs calories out by the way.
I often read the weight loss section on here. Every day there are people embarking on any number of diets and body overhauls and I reckon about 95% of them are unsuccessful. Calorie counting, shake diets, you name it, people always gain the weight back before long. Even celebrities who seem to have done well with weight loss eventually gain it back, e.g. Pauline Quirke. I am watching that new amazon show with Melissa McCarthy and she is also back to being around the same size she was before starting her weight loss. Lisa Riley is another one who lost a lot of weight and most of it is back now. Clearly it's not working and people are making money out of telling fat people that they can be thin if only they want it bad enough or try hard enough. The scientific research shows that once you are morbidly obese, you have an absolutely miniscule chance of getting to and maintaining a normal BMI without surgery. Yes, there will no doubt be people popping up here saying they did just that but you are the exception.

The idea that if you just eat less than you burn is also flawed when a) your body adapts to lower amounts. For instance, those who have gastric bypass and eat v low calories forever still tend to be overweight/mildly obese because their bodies just can't get to a low BMI and b) you're fighting against intense hunger urges that someone who has always been normal weight just can't imagine dealing with.

If I was morbidly obese, I would ditch all the dieting crap, admit that I couldn't fix it and have surgery. I see so many dieting plans just blame the dieter for 'failure' when they're trying to do something impossible. If I was stage 1 obese or overweight, I'd go low carb no-processed for life because I think that is the only thing that switches off the hunger signals in the brain.

OP posts:
bruffin · 29/09/2021 10:51

Nutritionist is not a protected term, anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, there is no such thing as a qualifed nutritionist .Dietitian is a protected term.
OP is talking nonsense .
I lost a lot of weight swimming 4 hours a week and reducing calories.
I did stop the reduced calories and added gym 2 x weeks and cut the swimming . I maintained my weight but lost inches as I lost fat and gained more muscle.
Over lock down i gained weight because i wasnt exercising like i did

bruffin · 29/09/2021 10:57

www.associationfornutrition.org/register/search-the-register
She isnt registered here either

BIWI · 29/09/2021 11:21

It doesn't take away the fact that she is qualified though!

Why so keen to undermine someone? Where are your qualifications, beyond personal anecdotes?

I never understand this kind of attitude. It's so ignorant.

TheFoundations · 29/09/2021 11:22

[quote milkyaqua]I have read an article someone linked to me a year ago, and I thought she was an idiot then, also. These people agree, in more measured tone:

www.wcrf-uk.org/uk/blog/articles/2010/11/zoe-harcombe%E2%80%99s-advice-based-solid-scientific-evidence[/quote]
The point of this article is that it confuses people if you publish scientific results that are controversial. It doesn't present any hard evidence to refute what ZH says, it willfully misrepresents what she's said, and even goes so far as to use the word 'probably' to back its findings. It's well written, though, and can clearly fool those like yourself.

Well, I agree that ZH's evidence based lectures may cause some confusion. I'm sure there was some confusion when science started to show that Earth isn't flat, and that smoking is deadly. Probably we ought to have kept that stuff quiet, too.

You thinking she's an idiot doesn't carry much weight, really, milky. (no pun intended) You still haven't answered how much of her stuff you've actually read/watched, whether you have any qualifications in this field, and everything you've posted relates back to the same Daily Fail article. It's starting to look a bit like you don't know what you're talking about.

There's been a few of her lectures posted as links upthread. Perhaps you could come up with some science to refute one or two of her claims?

bruffin · 29/09/2021 11:46

It doesn't take away the fact that she is qualified though!
Not necessary as she may have a phd but she hasnt been backed by a professional organisation!

bruffin · 29/09/2021 11:53

And most of her books were written long before she got her PHD

milkyaqua · 29/09/2021 11:56

It's starting to look a bit like you don't know what you're talking about.

I'm not sure why you're taking this so personally.

What are the diets of the longest living and healthiest societies on earth like? Loads of vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, modest amounts of protein, and whole grains. High-fibre, by and large.

You can lose weight in 101 ways. I know many, many unhealthy ways to achieve an admirable-looking weight. You reap what you sow.

TheFoundations · 29/09/2021 11:57

@bruffin

It doesn't take away the fact that she is qualified though! Not necessary as she may have a phd but she hasnt been backed by a professional organisation!
The first doctors who said that smoking was causing cancer had a lot of trouble getting backing from professional bodies, too. It's all about where the money is, really. The flour and sugar industries are at the top of the chain (after milk) in terms of big agriculture in the UK. The government isn't going to fund scientists to prove that we ought to be eating less of them.
Nomoreusernames1244 · 29/09/2021 12:53

She's a nutritionist. I found this enough to put me off

She’s an economist/mathematician. Her phd applied maths to huge numbers to identify patterns.

Granted her training isn’t nutrition, biochemistry or metabolism. But she can apply analytical tools to examine population data and identify trends.

BIWI · 29/09/2021 12:54

She has 2 PhDs actually. One in economics/maths and the second in public health nutrition

TheFoundations · 29/09/2021 12:56

@BIWI

She has 2 PhDs actually. One in economics/maths and the second in public health nutrition
Makes those who refer to her as 'an idiot' look a bit idiotic...
bruffin · 29/09/2021 12:56

No she has a BA and MA in maths/ economics and the PHD in publuc heath nutritian. She wrote he books before her PHD in 2016

milkyaqua · 29/09/2021 13:05

Makes those who refer to her as 'an idiot' look a bit idiotic...

You should really dial back on the personal attacks. Must be the lack of carbs...

Backwaterjunction · 29/09/2021 13:25

People get fat again because they stop doing what they did to lose the weight and fail to adjust to a lifestyle that maintains there new weight.

I lost 4 stone with a well know programme, I am disabled so can’t do much activity but it was overeating that put that weight back. I didn’t get fat again because I stayed on the diet or did a good maintenance diet, I got fat because over a six year period after I lost the weight I overate

BIWI · 29/09/2021 13:28

@bruffin

No she has a BA and MA in maths/ economics and the PHD in publuc heath nutritian. She wrote he books before her PHD in 2016
Yes, you're quite right. Apologies. An error in the first site I was reading.

Still - a BA/MA from Cambridge, followed by a PhD in a relevant subject to support her work on nutrition is not to be dismissed!

TheFoundations · 29/09/2021 13:30

@milkyaqua

Makes those who refer to her as 'an idiot' look a bit idiotic...

You should really dial back on the personal attacks. Must be the lack of carbs...

But your comment is a personal attack itself.

I eat carbs. You haven't posted a single thing on the thread with any basis.

Everything you have said so far to display your knowledge reveals further your lack of knowledge. You keep shooting yourself in the foot Grin

Honestopinion23 · 29/09/2021 14:43

Interesting that people are picking on the woman who is saying the same thing as the medically qualified men. Whatever Zoe’s background, what she is saying is correct and evidence based. Also, most dieticians are promoting the NHS eat well plate and scratching their heads about why the obesity crisis is getting worse and worse.

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Mercurial123 · 29/09/2021 15:20

I love complex carbs, they are so good for you. I would never consider a low carb diet.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459280/

TheFoundations · 29/09/2021 15:43

[quote Mercurial123]I love complex carbs, they are so good for you. I would never consider a low carb diet.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459280/[/quote]
A low carb diet includes plenty of complex carbohydrates, as they are indigestible, and affect gut motility rather than nutrition.

A bit like oil in a car. It's not fuel, but it helps things move along.

Not everybody's digestive system needs fibre though. That's another thing we get drummed into us that isn't true. Some people do, some people don't.

Mercurial123 · 29/09/2021 16:04

Exactly everyone is different. Low carbing is my idea of hell.

TheFoundations · 29/09/2021 16:09

@Mercurial123

Exactly everyone is different. Low carbing is my idea of hell.
Smile Complex carbs are my idea of hell!
Washeduponthebeach · 29/09/2021 16:12

@bruffin

Nutritionist is not a protected term, anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, there is no such thing as a qualifed nutritionist .Dietitian is a protected term. OP is talking nonsense . I lost a lot of weight swimming 4 hours a week and reducing calories. I did stop the reduced calories and added gym 2 x weeks and cut the swimming . I maintained my weight but lost inches as I lost fat and gained more muscle. Over lock down i gained weight because i wasnt exercising like i did
Anyone can’t call themselves a nutritionist. What nonsense.
Washeduponthebeach · 29/09/2021 16:13

www.ion.ac.uk/undergraduate-nutritional-therapy

Perhaps you would like to contact this training organisation to start with to educate yourself a bit.

TheFoundations · 29/09/2021 16:36

Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. That's true. There's no law against calling yourself that, regardless of and (lack of) qualification.

That's why, if you think that the biological science that's currently being taught is correct, you need to make sure that any nutritionist you employ is registered.

It's not like 'Dr', where you can be legally challenged for using the title erroneously.

TheFoundations · 29/09/2021 16:40

*any (lack of) qualification