We are now being called bodies with vaginas by one of the top medical journals in the land

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YANBU the word is woman
YABU shut up VAGINA haver

This will probably get shunted back to the naughty corner. But this is something women need to know. Coming soon to a GP surgery near you. As a vagina haver you may be invited for a cervical smear.

This is what the erasure of women looks like. Splayed on the front cover of the journal read by every medic in the land.

@Skysblue

Yes it’s interesting that transwomen (aka men) are desperate to define women by their vaginas. My clitoris is way more important to me than my vagina but no one calls me a clitoris-haver, or vulva-haver. Transwomen call us by the bit that’s interesting to men, ironically proving just how make they are.

Being peri-menopausal with another ten years of hot flushes to look forward to is way more significant to me than my vagina. But ‘transwomen’ never talk about the menopause. Becuae they don’t like to me tion it. Because they’re men, and the menopause makes men uncomfortable.

They also don’t need to mention it as they don’t go through it 🙄

Yet again it's the women of the world who have to put up with erasure and being called bodies with vaginas, and we have to put up with it for fear of offending someone. Yet no one is upset with offending us.

I am a woman. Saying so doesn't make me a TERF or transphobe or any other name people care to call women.

The Lancet does a terrible disservice to women if they allow that headline to stand without comment or apology.

I recently signed up to an event. It asked my gender and there was no option to say woman. The closest was cis-woman. I had to say rather not say. It's not that I would rather not say. I just wanted to call myself a woman, what I actually am!!!!

Front holes

Sadly, this seems to be correct. Transmen on testosterone refer to their (enlarged) clitoris as their T-dick and if they still have a vagina it’s their “front hole”.

How long till “bodies with front holes”, do you think?

@amijustparanoidorjuststoned

Here we go with the trans bashing again.

Nobody is trying to erase women. They are trying to be inclusive of women who are trapped in men's bodies, and men who are trapped in women's bodies. It is also fine to not know which gender you fit in to and to be non-binary.

There, fixed it for you.

You won’t be back, will you?

Fart and run and lie in wait for the next thread.

@amijustparanoidorjuststoned

Here we go with the trans bashing again.

Nobody is trying to erase women. They are trying to be inclusive of women who are trapped in men's bodies, and men who are trapped in women's bodies. It is also fine to not know which gender you fit in to and to be non-binary.

There, fixed it for you.

Except when the had an article about prorate cancer being the 2nd highest cancer in men they used the word men.

Not "bodies with penis'".

Either do it both ways or not at all.

To use men and bodies with vaginas you are eroding the use of the word woman.

They also don’t need to mention it as they don’t go through it

Course they do, they’re just like us, but better.

www.healthywomen.org/your-health/menopause-aging-well/do-transgender-women-experience-menopause

Menopause is framed around the experiences of cisgender women — for whom menopause is a response to reduced ovary functions — but transgender women can experience symptoms of menopause as well as PMS. Like cis women, the symptions are in response to hormone fluctuations, even if the root causes differ

@AtlasPine my thoughts exactly

On the cover of the Lancet magazine (I think last weeks) highlights periodshame

So we shouldn’t be ashamed of having periods but just keep in mind not to use the word of the people that have periods because it may not be inclusive

Utter bollocks it’s makes me rage 😡

And a transwoman on a menopause panel what fucking next

I think it's absolutely bonkers, women are women and men are men. It's a scientific and biological fact. You can't just erase that because there are a percentage of men and women who want to identify as a different sex. Why are we as women having our gender completely wiped out? Because a woman confused a doctor's surgery as she presented as a man and wasn't offered a smear test, and was offended?

The problem is that lots of people have chosen to be kind, and to call people by their preferred pronouns. Lots of people have chosen to be kind and accept others have a preferred gender which is different from their biological sex.

But what's happened now is there's been a creep. We've gone from gender to biological sex. The kindness we showed others in referring to them by their preferred gender has crept over into biological sex. When we are discussing matters which relate to biological sex, it shouldn't be wrong to use the biological sex markers - ie/man/woman, male/female. Gender has no bearing on matters of biological sex - and when the subject is clearly biological, there is nothing discriminatory or wrong about using biological sex terms. And this is what I mean by there's been a creep.....the kindness we all showed in accepting and acknowledging gender identity has shoved biological terms aside. So in essence, we are no longer allowed to use biological terms even when we are discussing biological issues.

Gender isn't relevant to biological issues - I"ve heard so many times about how gender is a social construct so therefore you can choose whatever gender you like. If that's the case and it is just a social construct, why are we including it when talking about biological issues? It has no bearing.

Of course, all of this only applies to women. It's only women where we mustn't refer to biological sex. Medical publications are still referring to men - they aren't being called prostate-havers. Or ejaculators. Their biological sex is fine.

And for context, I am kind. I call people by their preferred pronouns. But I still am very unhappy about the conflation between biological sex and gender and the different standards being applied to men and women's language.

@amijustparanoidorjuststoned

Here we go with the trans bashing again.

Nobody is trying to erase women. They are trying to be inclusive of women who are trapped in men's bodies, and men who are trapped in women's bodies. It is also fine to not know which gender you fit in to and to be non-binary.

There, fixed it for you.

No but women and transmen are NOT just a body.

It’s déshumanising.

And the Lancet title was about removing hang up around periods fgs.

But they had no issue talking about men and prostate cancer. What about transwomen then?

Why is it ok to talk about men. and assume that it includes transwomen but women and transmen are reduced to be a body. Not a person, not a human being, just a body?

I’m fuming at the double standard. I’m sick that any female born person is reduce. to less than a human being.

So let's get this straight:

Men are 'men'
Transwomen are 'women'
Actual women are 'bodies with vaginas'.

That's exactly it isn't it?
I saw posts about the Lancet thing whilst scrolling through Twitter yesterday and assumed it was a joke

I have decided that I need to be just as vocal as the trans activists who are pushing this erasure of women through. So I have emailed the editor of the Lancet and will follow up with the ombudsman if I don't get a satisfactory response. I could lose my job over this but I think being referred to as a "body with a vagina" has peaked me for sure and I've put my head above the parapet for the first time. This is just too far.

The level of misogyny with that expression is unbelievable tbh.

How can a paper as ‘serious’. As the lancet reduce any female born person to just a body.
Are they all from Texas and believe that women are just less, at the same level than a cow maybe?.

And they dare make the article about ending periods shame as if they were great supporter of women 😡😡😡

If a female who identifies as male is so triggered by the word woman that they cannot have a smear unless only ever referred to as a vagina haver, they ARE suffering from a mental illness, which should be treated. Not affirmed.

Women's vaginas and reproductive systems are the main reason for medical, physical, misogynist, financial and domestic abuses. This is not new information. Reducing us back to 'a life support system for a c*nt' is the most revolting, misogynistic trope which has nothing to do with transmen or inclusion. There's a reason the RBG quote being butchered that way has caused such horror; like this, the false inclusion is literally and figuratively erasing and oppressing the people it was designed to help. WOMEN. On purpose and you can't convince me otherwise.

@StarBaker

I have decided that I need to be just as vocal as the trans activists who are pushing this erasure of women through. So I have emailed the editor of the Lancet and will follow up with the ombudsman if I don't get a satisfactory response. I could lose my job over this but I think being referred to as a "body with a vagina" has peaked me for sure and I've put my head above the parapet for the first time. This is just too far.

Tbf, even if you are a trans activist, I don’t think this title is acceptable.

Women, men, transpeople are never JUST a body with .

If women (and transmen) are just bodies, what’s the next step? Treating. them. like animals.

I put that in the email. Nobody would identify as "bodies with vaginas" whether cis or trans. It's dehumanising either way. But a totally unacceptable erasure of women from a supposed medical journal!

@LimpLettice 👏👏👏

You said it better than me

[quote SigourneyHoward]@amijustparanoidorjuststoned if that's the case, why then is The Lancet running a major piece on "bodies with vaginas" - note not even 'people with vaginas' but last week were happily talking about 'men with prostate cancer' - not not people with prostate cancer let alone bodies with prostrates[/quote]
Can you link us both of these articles please?

@Rainbowheart1

Bodies with vaginas, sounds like a slab of meat.

Appalling.

Exactly. You're just a slab of meat with a hole in it. It's so dehumanising.

@amijustparanoidorjuststoned

Here we go with the trans bashing again.

Nobody is trying to erase women. They are trying to be inclusive of women who are trapped in men's bodies, and men who are trapped in women's bodies. It is also fine to not know which gender you fit in to and to be non-binary.

There, fixed it for you.

Nobody is trapped by anything except the societal constructs to which they subscribe.

There, fixed it for you.

@Rainbowheart1

When do we start erasing the term man?

The twelfth of Never.

@AtlasPine

Maybe they are trying to be exclusive of women in men’s bodies?

I don’t like the wording but agree that everyone with a vagina, whatever they identify as, needs to be included in screening programmes.

A “woman in a man’s body” is an oxymoron. It’s just absolute rubbish.

If you are in a man’s body, you are a man. You might feel like you want to be a woman, you might dress like one, you might have surgery to make you appear like one, you might change you name to a woman’s name - but you are still biologically a man.

@FusionChefGeoff

I wish everyone would go with 'women and transwomen' and 'men and transmen'

Accurate, reality, inclusive

Totally agree