The idiotic Insulate Britain are at it again

[sst1234]

Now they have blocked the port of Dover. On top of Lorry driver shortage and commodity supply issues, these absolute criminals are causing yet more damage to the supply chain. And who suffers? Joe Public suffers yet more price hikes because virtue signalling, well healed, are damaging the country so no benefit whatsoever. None at all. Hashtag less than 1% of global emissions

The vitriol towards environmentalists on this thread is rather self defeating. Environmentalists are trying to save YOUR lives. 10s of thousands of Britons die from air pollution and cold housing ALREADY. In recent years people have been dying from heat exhaustion in heat waves. Thousands flooded out of their homes and businesses.

How do you reckon things are shaping up for your kids and grandkids with several degrees of warming? At least they are doing something for them.

And yes, I have I insulated the fuck out of everything and my house costs pennies to run. I just think everyone else should have that too.

Oh and I assume they're not using crytocurrency. If ever there was an energy intensive bad for the environment activity, that would be it.

They also need to lead by example wrt use of fossil fuels. They're living a pre industrial life, I presume.

Bed when daylight goes down, up at sunrise. No artificial lighting, etc.

Modern tech? Perhaps one mobile phone or laptop for a more environmentally communication method than travel. But certainly not the most up-to-date upgraded models.

No imported food in their cupboards (no fridges, of course because that's not environmentally friendly). In season local produce only.

No new clothes. Remember, reuse and durability - make do and mend - beats recycling.

So let's see where they all are with that, and then we can look at what to do next.

I mean, we can't take people seriously unless they practice what they preach.

@Summerhillsquare

The vitriol towards environmentalists on this thread is rather self defeating. Environmentalists are trying to save YOUR lives. 10s of thousands of Britons die from air pollution and cold housing ALREADY. In recent years people have been dying from heat exhaustion in heat waves. Thousands flooded out of their homes and businesses.

How do you reckon things are shaping up for your kids and grandkids with several degrees of warming? At least they are doing something for them.

And yes, I have I insulated the fuck out of everything and my house costs pennies to run. I just think everyone else should have that too.

So patronising and so misinformed. We should be oh so grateful to the ‘environmentalists’. What no environmentalist can ever is what difference do their actions make to climate change when UK contributes less than 1% to global emissions.

Ive got so much insulation in the loft of my council house that i cant get up there. Even if i hadnt i still think they are a bunch of disruptive twats

And yes, I have I insulated the fuck out of everything and my house costs pennies to run. I just think everyone else should have that too.

Have what too? A secure home? Certainly having a home in the first place is needed in order to have an insulated home.

Next stage, the insulation. Excellent news. You want everyone to have it. How will you do that? Gather together friends and family with the skills to DIY it, or crowdfund a tradesperson? Either way, well done.

(Btw a true environmentalist wouldn't have children. The human race dying out is the only real way to save the environment. Insulate and XR aren't real environmentalists)

‘ I'm in a top floor flat in social housing. I've stuck my head in the loft and there doesn't seem to be any insulation at all - should there be? confused’

Yes, there should be, or at least a very good explanation why not.

Get onto your landlord, sent a few pictures in to save unnecessary preliminary site survey.

We moved into a newly refurbished top floor flat, checked the loft for storage & noticed no insulation. Contacted landlord & matter was fixed immediately. Huge difference in how much energy required to heat the flat & far lower fuel bill so well worth you chasing this up.

Assume the matter has been an oversight.

[quote MagnificentOrangeElephant]**@Dontgetyerknicksinatwist She was paralysed. Her son was on the radio and said this. The hospital told him if she had got there in time the damage would have been minimal. These people are responsible for this.

Yes, she was paralysed. It is tragic, and should not have happened. But the reason she was in that car on that motorway is because our underfunded NHS could not get an ambulance to her for hours. There isn't a magic 90 minutes, but but the longer the root cause is untreated the greater the chance of repetition or extension. So time matters.

I don't know about Insulate Britain, but XR have a Blue Light Policy The media pretends they don't, because evoking the heart rending image of your mum in an ambulance is lazy, but sadly effective, journalism. They plan their actions to ensure emergency vehicles can get through. Given that the police were able to use the hard shoulder to get to arrest the protestors, if she had been in an ambulance they would have got through (and she would have had access to qualified personnel and emergency medicine on route)

So, are you angry about why a person in need of time critical medical treatment cannot get it? Or still just protestors.[/quote]
Jesus wept. It's possible to be angry about BOTH, but THIS thread is about the IB idiots, not the NHS!

‘ 10s of thousands of Britons die from air pollution and cold housing ALREADY’

Already there are many Govt Acts & Local Authority initiatives to minimise traffic pollution & fuel poverty for local residents & tenants. This is ongoing, irrespective of the antics of Insulate, XR et al.

Not everyone who needs to get to hospital for vital &/or important medical treatments or other appointments travels in an ambulance with or without flashing blue lights.

Not every medical emergency requires an ambulance.

It is not for civilians to redirect emergency traffic around groups of illegal protestors. To assume such control is entitled authoritarianism.

@sst1234

As I have previously said, your assertion that the UK is responsible for less than 1% of global emissions is misleading as it does not take into account our vast demand for goods produced in high emission countries and their environmental cost. Please look a bit closer at what the statistics you quote mean.

If it gets me some free insulation I'm all for it!

[quote SillySausagee]@sst1234

As I have previously said, your assertion that the UK is responsible for less than 1% of global emissions is misleading as it does not take into account our vast demand for goods produced in high emission countries and their environmental cost. Please look a bit closer at what the statistics you quote mean.[/quote]
So how does insulating homes help with that? (Which is free anyway as others pointed out, so it’s a virtue signalling cause). I know what statistics I am quoting, your explanation makes no sense, it’s just the abstract rhetoric which is usually the default to response to any question.

So how does insulating homes help with that?

Insulating all homes (whether it's free or not) would reduce our national energy use/emissions, surely? Or have I misunderstood the question?

Out of interest @fallintoautumn which bit of their ' manifesto' do you agree with?

I posted their 2 main demands upthread and neither are in anyway coherent or possible. Both utterly ignore the reality of the situation in they are shouting about.

And what has getting residential properties insulated for free got to do with disrupting a port?

Your pint was good until the last part OP, of course the U.K. should have less than 1% of global emissions considering it has lass than 1% of the world population. Western people farm out their emissions to China as most of our goods are made there. If we allocated the emissions of exports of China into the U.K. onto the U.K. then the picture would be much worse for the U.K. and much better for China. Sorry it’s an idiotic argument that falsely represents the U.K. is doing well in elision when it is not.

*emissions

They are an absolute menace. I cannot understand why they continue to do this to the general public rather than going and creating a ruckus at parliament? You know, the people can actually make these decisions.

I get that protesting is about creating disturbance but after what happened to that poor lady who had the stroke you'd think that they might rethink their strategy because as it stands they are just pissing people off. Who on earth would listen to the views of such a childish bunch of plebs?

@Summerhillsquare

The vitriol towards environmentalists on this thread is rather self defeating. Environmentalists are trying to save YOUR lives. 10s of thousands of Britons die from air pollution and cold housing ALREADY. In recent years people have been dying from heat exhaustion in heat waves. Thousands flooded out of their homes and businesses.

How do you reckon things are shaping up for your kids and grandkids with several degrees of warming? At least they are doing something for them.

And yes, I have I insulated the fuck out of everything and my house costs pennies to run. I just think everyone else should have that too.

The thing is, I doubt anyone on this thread isn't concerned about the environment and climate change. These people aren't persuading people to support their cause, they're actually causing already sympathetic people to feel angry and just totally fed up of the disruption they cause- only to ordinary people, they don't seem to do anything that inconvenience the people who make the decisions.

@theythinkitsallovernow I admire your generous interpretation, however posters are suggesting environmentalists should be run over. I suspect they don't give a monkeys.

@Tealightsandd

And yes, I have I insulated the fuck out of everything and my house costs pennies to run. I just think everyone else should have that too.

Have what too? A secure home? Certainly having a home in the first place is needed in order to have an insulated home.

Next stage, the insulation. Excellent news. You want everyone to have it. How will you do that? Gather together friends and family with the skills to DIY it, or crowdfund a tradesperson? Either way, well done.

(Btw a true environmentalist wouldn't have children. The human race dying out is the only real way to save the environment. Insulate and XR aren't real environmentalists)

Yes, I have no children. I remain concerned for other people's.

There are many models to create sustainable (in every sense) homes if you are interested?

@UniversalAunt

‘ 10s of thousands of Britons die from air pollution and cold housing ALREADY’

Already there are many Govt Acts & Local Authority initiatives to minimise traffic pollution & fuel poverty for local residents & tenants. This is ongoing, irrespective of the antics of Insulate, XR et al.

And yet somehow it gets worse!

This is what protestors are telling you, every 'acceptable' non disruptive method has been tried. It's an emergency.

What's the fucking point of threads like these then? You think resentful huffing on an Internet forum is going to stop them or open a conversation about it? You think hoping that someone 'snaps' and causing violence is better than what they're doing?

I haven't formed an opinion about Insulate but all this reactionary twattishness REALLY does my head in.

@Summerhillsquare people get angry when they see privileged people- and yes people who don't have to worry about getting to work so they can pay the rent are privileged- deciding to cause chaos at whim. Tbh I am a strong supporter of their cause, and that's partly the reason I'm so frustrated at the way they are protesting. If the cause is so important to them they need to find a way to get attention without alienating the general public.

Well, ok, what is this method?

The only result that these protests will get is allowing the government to get their law against protesting passed. So yeah, thanks for that