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Family in Law Problems

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MazIsWin22 · 23/09/2021 18:43

Please be kind with comments because I need a little perspective here if I am being unreasonable/hormonal or if I am warranted to be a little annoyed? This is a bit of a long one so I do apologise.

I have a horrible feeling when I am around my family in law. My MIL is overbearing with my partner & his sister (shes overprotective & way to involved in each of their lives - something I’ve never been used to). My partner has an older sister who is approaching her 30s & has never had a relationship/child etc. I think naturally she always thought she would be the first to settle down & have a family and I can understand that so I was highly sympathetic to this for a long time.

I was with my partner for a year and then I found out I was pregnant. I was 21, he was 23 & we were young and excited so when we told both sets of immediate family and before I knew it all of the family knew because they decided to share it. This made me really uncomfortable because I was only around 6 weeks at the time and months prior to finding out I wasn’t even sure I could have babies. When we got our 12 week scan, all was okay and we shared it online (stupidly). My sister-in-law posted it as though it was her who was experiencing the pregnancy… I let it go because we were so happy regardless. This was one of the many things to come. Throughout the pregnancy she would make little comments or post things that was really about our little family but try to pass it off as her own - such as scans, etc. I let it go.

When my daughter was born, it was really touch and go for both of us. I had GBS & it spread to my daughter in birth, she ended up exremely poorly in the NICU (I won’t go into it but she was a miracle as doctors says she could have died). I was also severely unwell and was in and out of conciousness. My partner had updated family that baby was born and then before we knew it all the posts started coming through on facebook all the while my baby is in the NICU & I am drifting between conciousness. I had no idea how bad it all was until days later. I am still really traumatised by it. Thankfully we had no visitors because of COVID but we experienced the NICU stay and all the fear alone in the hospital. They didn’t see that.

When I came home I was in a deep state of PND that I wouldn’t eat, sleep or talk and I was always crying etc. At the time we were staying at my PIL as we lost our home due to covid/losing our jobs etc. I needed my mum more than ever before and I was just hurting and upset all the time. The first night of us being home it was overshadowed by my Family in laws wants as they wanted us to stay up all night in the livingroom so they could see the baby, they wouldn’t give us baby back and just kept going on and on about how much my daughter doesn’t look like me or my partner but looks like my SIL. Btw she looked nothing like my daughter. But it hurt because it was a comment that was repeated over & over again. My partner had to tell my Family in law to stop the comments as it was hurting my feelings. But not 2 weeks later on my first birthday as a mum they both decided to come in to our room with big memory books to ‘prove’ how much MY daughter looked like my SIL right before we went on our first walk together as a family. Again, she didn’t look anything like her. But it hurt me so much that I was crying the full night.

My daughter has now just turned 1 and in the past year it has continued to the point where I don’t want to be around any of them. It has affected my relationship with my partner and it was a big part of my PND (as I felt like less than). I feel I have bit my tongue and myself & partner have both suffered mentally trying to keep everyone happy but ourselves. They have her one night every weekend to bond, we travel 30 miles all in 2 times a week on top of that so that they can see her and in the entire year they have visited us twice because my SIL refuses to drive up here with PIL?

In the past year my SIL has tried to claim all the big special milestones of our first year as parents & of my daughter as her own. She bought my daughter a halloween costume which she INSISTED my daughter HAD to wear on Halloween and got upset when I said I had actually bought my own daughter stuff for halloween. I felt that bad I had upset her so I put it on and took a photo for her but she took that photo and posted it all over social media without out consent. Then on halloween, we had planned to have a family night carving pumpkins, making cupcakes and watching films but she made a big point of trying to involve herself even though we specially said we wanted to do it as a family as it was my daughters first halloween. She again got upset because I told my partner to tell her to stop being so involved.

Shes went out her way to do stuff to impose herself & her family enable the behaviour even though we have on numerous occasions actually said that its too much and that its not her place. Whenever I try to say anything about how we are parenting our child (rear-facing car seat, weaning at 6 months, bedtime at 8pm) my parents in law will say things like “oh we had two kids and we did it this way so we cant do it your way” or they agree but then completely ignore everything you have said and are so blatant about it. So it creates a trust issue also. They make me feel as though I am so irrelevant and that they think my SIL is actually my daughters mother. I don’t get any respect and neither does my partner in regards to how we choose to parent our children. I try to tell them the reasons why we choose to do things the way we do but it falls on deaf ears and starts an arguement.

My SIL posted photos of my daughter half naked all over the internet and I asked her to take them down (commenting on the post) and she completely ignored me. She told us she was buying a cheap (non isofix) forward facing seat for my 1 year old daughter for “when she wants to take her out” - I told her not to bother as my children wont be sitting in that seat as they arent safe. She got all upset. Like the list goes on.

How on earth do I approach this because it is driving me insane. I have my second on the way late december/early january and I am stressing myself out for all the same happening again I think. I can’t keep going through the cycle with them! Please help me on how I can calm myself as well as how I can let her know to stay in her own lane and not have to go through it all again.

Pleaseeeee help me

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QueenBee52 · 24/09/2021 00:13

Who is respecting your role as a Mother ?

Did your MIL hand her baby to her own MIL for sleepovers?

Who is respecting your feelings ?
your wishes? your routines ?
Why are SIL and MIL's needs and wants more important than yours ?

Why do you believe that they have the power in this dynamic? You are giving them the power...

You are unwittingly creating an established routine, whereby your Child stays overnight ... do you realise that this enables them to claim to be relevant persons and can could serious issues in the future should you split with your partner..

MazIsWin22 · 24/09/2021 00:21

@QueenBee52

Who is respecting your role as a Mother ? Did your MIL hand her baby to her own MIL for sleepovers? Who is respecting your feelings ? your wishes? your routines ? Why are SIL and MIL's needs and wants more important than yours ? Why do you believe that they have the power in this dynamic? You are giving them the power...

You are unwittingly creating an established routine, whereby your Child stays overnight ... do you realise that this enables them to claim to be relevant persons and can could serious issues in the future should you split with your partner..

Quite honestly though neither me or my partner get respected as my daughters parents. I tried to shrug it off for a long time because I was told it was my PND making me feel that way etc but honestly im 1 year postpartum and I have never saw anything more clearly in all my life. I think I just needed the reassurance that I genuinely wasnt crazy for feeling the way I have been. My partner has actually told my SIL tonight to back off and she hasnt taken it well but I cant say I feel badly about it. As I say though, I think I needed someone else to say "hey your not crazy here, they are" because I feel abit more stable in going to them with our boundaries and saying no its not my PND or whatever but its boundaries to protect myself, my babies and my partner. 100% thanking the mumsnet gods (all of you) tonight haha
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QueenBee52 · 24/09/2021 00:29

Don't let them undermine you.. and stop them using mental health as a stick to beat you with..like a weapon ..

You are doing great .. no more sleep overs unless it suits you..

and remember... this is your child.. your decisions... you are the Mother 🌸

QueenBee52 · 24/09/2021 00:30

Good on you both for telling SIL to back off 🎉

Justilou1 · 24/09/2021 00:33

Stop with the monthly bonding stays too. That’s all about destabilizing your place in your child’s life as parents. You don’t “owe” them visitation rights. Let them come to you when it suits you only. Visiting them for short periods (not staying over and definitely not leaving kids there) - even if you have to invent other plans to escape the house - gives you the power to come and go. It is the “safest” option.

QueenBee52 · 24/09/2021 00:35

@Justilou1

Stop with the monthly bonding stays too. That’s all about destabilizing your place in your child’s life as parents. You don’t “owe” them visitation rights. Let them come to you when it suits you only. Visiting them for short periods (not staying over and definitely not leaving kids there) - even if you have to invent other plans to escape the house - gives you the power to come and go. It is the “safest” option.

definitely ... agreed

timeisnotaline · 24/09/2021 00:38

Good luck with your boundaries. I’d focus on the visiting first as you can change that while you can’t actually make them take down social media photos. Lovely you want them to bond, but grandparents who won’t travel to visit you and expect you to do all the running might not be that great for your children to bond with! If they want to put some effort in and visit then they can have their precious grandchild time and sils choice if she doesn’t come. If they make comments about it you go ‘If she were that upset she’d have come along with you.’

starrynight21 · 24/09/2021 00:42

The in-laws don't need overnights to "bond" with your dd. I'm a grandmother, I've got a great bond with my grandchildren but I never had a sleepover until they were about 4.

BTW top thinking of yourself as being "young", that isn't a good way to treat yourself. You are a partner and a mother, you're doing a great job - your age is irrelevant . I get the impression that you have put yourself in that box - a young girl who needs to be told what to do by her in-laws. Get yourself out of that box and stand up for yourself and your DC.

Visit when it suits you and no more than that - and just be grateful that they don't bother to visit you very often !

QueenBee52 · 24/09/2021 01:30

@starrynight21

The in-laws don't need overnights to "bond" with your dd. I'm a grandmother, I've got a great bond with my grandchildren but I never had a sleepover until they were about 4.

BTW top thinking of yourself as being "young", that isn't a good way to treat yourself. You are a partner and a mother, you're doing a great job - your age is irrelevant . I get the impression that you have put yourself in that box - a young girl who needs to be told what to do by her in-laws. Get yourself out of that box and stand up for yourself and your DC.

Visit when it suits you and no more than that - and just be grateful that they don't bother to visit you very often !

wise words 🌸

sweetgingercat · 24/09/2021 01:35

I'm sorry you are going through this. People have made lots of useful suggestions, here are a couple more.

When it comes to photos, link your outlaws into the photos you post on social media and tell them firmly you do not want them to post any other photos. That way they can only repost the photos you have posted. If they continue to post photos, ask them to take them down. If they do not, restrict their access.

I think having another baby is a perfect opportunity to stop all these overnight visits without causing a family ruction. You can say with legitimacy "we are not driving a new baby all that way", "we have a routine", "baby needs feeding", "daughter is bonding with her new baby sibling" or "daughter has become very clingy since we had the new baby and won't stay overnight" or simply "daughter has a cold so we're not coming". There are hundreds of good excuses you can give. Perhaps set in place an alternative arrangement that you have control of such as "we'll come for the day instead, every other week" or "we'll meet you at the park for a walk and lunch in a cafe" so they don't feel the access is cut off totally.

Also, I think it's a very tangled relationship and you will not be able to solve it all at once. Pick off those things that are important to you and focus on those first. Be assertive. Try to find a way of doing it that doesn't push MIL's buttons because if she gets upset she'll make life difficult for your partner. Perhaps you can communicate these things to your FIL or SIL if they're easier? Be smart. Try to avoid focusing on your feelings of powerlessness as an individual and communicate instead the needs of your little family which are harder for them to ignore.

Finally, trade off some of the small things to get your way over the big things. If they have a halloween outfit, generously let them put her in it say how lovely she looks and post some photos. It will be important for your daughter to have some sort of relationship with her inlaws as she grows older, and this way you can be the one who controls it.

Good luck... I hope you get some peace.

Billybagpuss · 24/09/2021 06:44

You’re adults soon to have a new baby, for a 30 mile trip once every month (or 2) is perfectly adequate, they can come to you once a month too.

How do you sort the overnights? Please say you are not driving 120 miles over a weekend to drop of and collect? That’s crazy and no longer feasible with new baby. (Is it 30 miles round trip or each way? )

I must admit can you imagine the batshittery if SIL ever has her own baby?

MazIsWin22 · 24/09/2021 07:48

@starrynight21

The in-laws don't need overnights to "bond" with your dd. I'm a grandmother, I've got a great bond with my grandchildren but I never had a sleepover until they were about 4.

BTW top thinking of yourself as being "young", that isn't a good way to treat yourself. You are a partner and a mother, you're doing a great job - your age is irrelevant . I get the impression that you have put yourself in that box - a young girl who needs to be told what to do by her in-laws. Get yourself out of that box and stand up for yourself and your DC.

Visit when it suits you and no more than that - and just be grateful that they don't bother to visit you very often !

Thank you for this, this is really reassuring especially because I genuinely do want my babies to have a great relationship with them! I just feel its always us making the sacrifices for it to happen at the cost of our own mental health and our relationship. Everyones right that I need to just be firm and come into my role as mother, I think Im okay with being their "villian" now if it means our family is safe and happy
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MazIsWin22 · 24/09/2021 07:52

@sweetgingercat

I'm sorry you are going through this. People have made lots of useful suggestions, here are a couple more.

When it comes to photos, link your outlaws into the photos you post on social media and tell them firmly you do not want them to post any other photos. That way they can only repost the photos you have posted. If they continue to post photos, ask them to take them down. If they do not, restrict their access.

I think having another baby is a perfect opportunity to stop all these overnight visits without causing a family ruction. You can say with legitimacy "we are not driving a new baby all that way", "we have a routine", "baby needs feeding", "daughter is bonding with her new baby sibling" or "daughter has become very clingy since we had the new baby and won't stay overnight" or simply "daughter has a cold so we're not coming". There are hundreds of good excuses you can give. Perhaps set in place an alternative arrangement that you have control of such as "we'll come for the day instead, every other week" or "we'll meet you at the park for a walk and lunch in a cafe" so they don't feel the access is cut off totally.

Also, I think it's a very tangled relationship and you will not be able to solve it all at once. Pick off those things that are important to you and focus on those first. Be assertive. Try to find a way of doing it that doesn't push MIL's buttons because if she gets upset she'll make life difficult for your partner. Perhaps you can communicate these things to your FIL or SIL if they're easier? Be smart. Try to avoid focusing on your feelings of powerlessness as an individual and communicate instead the needs of your little family which are harder for them to ignore.

Finally, trade off some of the small things to get your way over the big things. If they have a halloween outfit, generously let them put her in it say how lovely she looks and post some photos. It will be important for your daughter to have some sort of relationship with her inlaws as she grows older, and this way you can be the one who controls it.

Good luck... I hope you get some peace.

Thank you, this is really helpful. Your right, its going to be a long twisty road to having at least an okay relationship with my in laws but I think I need to just do whats best for us and stop being so scared to upset people. If they don't like it I cant be responsible for their feelings. I tried to talk to my partner again about it all last night and I think he got somewhat fed up of me trying to explain my feelings. Felt a bit naff after that so went to bed. He told my SIL to remove all the photos and she reacted quite immature but agreed to do it. We're still waiting for them to be removed!
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MazIsWin22 · 24/09/2021 07:55

@Billybagpuss

You’re adults soon to have a new baby, for a 30 mile trip once every month (or 2) is perfectly adequate, they can come to you once a month too.

How do you sort the overnights? Please say you are not driving 120 miles over a weekend to drop of and collect? That’s crazy and no longer feasible with new baby. (Is it 30 miles round trip or each way? )

I must admit can you imagine the batshittery if SIL ever has her own baby?

Yeah I drive 16 miles down (sometimes more if motorway is closed), drop my daughter off then drive 16 miles back home and then again the next day to collect her. Out of me and my partner im the only one who drives so I feel obliged to take him and her to see them because my partner is too lazy to get a bus and they are too lazy to get one up to us too. My SIL drives but refuses to drive up here unless it suits her
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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2021 08:06

@MazIsWin22

I think honestly its just because Im still young and they think we have no idea and I try to be sympathetic because its their first grandchild & its new and exciting for them but it took alot of the fun and excitement from us because we were constantly worried about upsetting them. My MIL just bursts out crying and playing the victim everytime and shames my partner like “I never ever thought you would say/do that to me” etc so then he feels bad and goes back on what hes said and that puts us in a uncomfortable spot in our relationship
You need to spell it out that his mother engages in emotional blackmail and abuse which has added to your PND and he can either choose to facilitate that at your expense or he can grow a spine.

If he chooses the latter he will eventually lose you and his daughter.

Ball is in his court.

Then stop over sharing and allowing them to visit or visiting them.

If they don't like it, tough.

Billybagpuss · 24/09/2021 08:40

Yeah I drive 16 miles down (sometimes more if motorway is closed), drop my daughter off then drive 16 miles back home and then again the next day to collect her. Out of me and my partner im the only one who drives so I feel obliged to take him and her to see them because my partner is too lazy to get a bus and they are too lazy to get one up to us too. My SIL drives but refuses to drive up here unless it suits her

I’m sure the pregnancy is making you feel too tired to do the drive this weekend.

Howshouldibehave · 24/09/2021 08:44

Yeah I drive 16 miles down (sometimes more if motorway is closed), drop my daughter off then drive 16 miles back home and then again the next day to collect her. Out of me and my partner im the only one who drives so I feel obliged to take him and her to see them because my partner is too lazy to get a bus and they are too lazy to get one up to us too. My SIL drives but refuses to drive up here unless it suits her

Why are you going out of your way to facilitate what these horrible people want when they are too lazy to do so themselves?!

Just stop now-say you’ve had enough and you’re not doing it.

HeartsAndClubs · 24/09/2021 08:52

Honestly it sounds as if you have as much a partner problem as an inlaw problem.

To an extent I get the notion that he’s been conditioned into this etc etc etc but truth is he’s an adult with his own family, and he needs to stand up for that family.

Added to which you’re the one doing the running around? He doesn’t drive? Why not? Unless for medical reasons I wouldn’t be facilitating driving your DD to his parents. And if he’s too lazy to get the bus then oh well his parents just won’t be seeing their grandchild will they?

I would honestly be giving ultimatums at this point. Either he tells them once and for all that the sleepovers are to stop now that you will see them every few months but that they’re welcome to visit, and if they don’t then that’s their choice, and that you won’t be allowing them to have any more pictures of her until they stop putting them on social media. Any more pictures on social media and you won’t let them have any, and that includes pictures of the new baby.

I would tell him that either he says these things to them, or you will, and you won’t be holding back.

ThreeLittleDots · 24/09/2021 09:00

It's ok to protect yourself and your children from your partner's abusive family.

Go very low or no contact and enjoy your life.

BoredZelda · 24/09/2021 09:12

If they won’t come to you, the solution is easy. Stop going to them. Cut it down to once a month visits.

We live 3 hours from my family. My daughter has a really strong relationship with my parents and sister despite that. She has a crap relationship with BILs who live much closer. It is about people, not place.

Your situation sounds a bit like one of my husband’s cousins. His parents and sister all act as if their daughter is theirs and how his wife puts up with it, I have no idea. They are all in and out of each others’ houses all the time and the poor kid doesn’t know which way to turn. They only ever go on holiday all together. Every time I see his wife with them all together she has a face like thunder so I’m guessing she feels the same as you. Their child is now 9 and it has never got any better. Put your foot down.

THEY are why you had pnd

Traumatic birth and NNICU is likely why she had PND. We have zero care available for mothers in that situation. The family will have made it harder, but we need to recognise what this type of birth does to women.

Rainbowsew · 24/09/2021 09:48

Just adding to yanbu!

Don't forget your dh will have had years of conditioning to bend under mums tears and emotional blackmail. You need to be the strong one, you're hardly a teen mum needing help, perfectly reasonable age to have a family and bring them up well.

Use the new baby as the excuse for no more overnight stays, they completely used your pnd there to get one over you, there's no need for that for "bonding", I think they just wanted to let sil play at being mum! My DC have great bonds With both nans and have stayed once with one and never with the other, they're now both over 10years old!

Be wary of their offers to "help" when new baby arrives, to take either eldest or baby into their care. The recent thread here about family stealing babies was a real eye opener for me about how under the guise of helping and the vulnerability of a mum with pnd led to people coercively gaining custody both legal and just emotionally over children.

I agree with pp give them a small victory over something silly like Halloween costumes, that is not the hill to die on, ensure you have control over the serious stuff and you ultimately decide what's best for your children.

Be strong, you can do this!!!SmileFlowersWink

Rainbowsew · 24/09/2021 09:53

Just seen only you drive, the pregnancy is the time to start, tiredness, getting dark early, icy nights, cold windy weather and not least that you deserve a while weekend to yourself after a year of facilitating a situation you don't like or benefit from!

mistlethrush · 24/09/2021 10:08

My son has a great relationship with my parents - we visited perhaps every 3 months or so - the first time he stayed over without us he was probably about 2. Some half terms he would spend half the week with my parents and half with my husband's mother. We actually had to tell my MiL that, unless she started respecting the boundaries that we had in place, we would have to stop him staying with her or visiting for more than a few hours as his behaviour became so bad after staying with her (he was very good at pushing boundaries if they were flexible, but very good at understanding when they were solid too!).

What is more important for a good relationship between your child and their grandparents is a good relationship between the grandparents and the parents - if there is conflict and disrespect, this will never result in a good relationship.

MatildaTheCat · 24/09/2021 10:11

If you are the only one who drives then you literally have all the power. Just say no. Establish what does work for you right now and stick to that.

You might be surprised how your mental health improves when you have taken back control of your life.

Saoirse82 · 24/09/2021 10:17

For a lot of these issues I think you're being over sensitive, things like saying baby looks like SIL etc, this happens in families all the time. I do think your PND has contributed to you feeling this way. Also do you mean your SIL told everyone she was pregnant and had a child using your pics? I'm assuming she didn't because that would be mental.
I'm totally with you on the posting naked pictures of your DC on social media, I'd be absolutely livid equally about the car seat situation. They should be respecting you as your child's mother and if they refuse to keep your child safe according to your rules then don't allow them to have her.