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To think that it's really difficult for a lot of people to revert to past expectations of socialising

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nestoftables · 20/09/2021 13:48

I've seen a few threads where people discuss either feeling apathetic or anxious about socialising these days, not because they are scared of getting the virus but they have become used to being relatively isolated. There is also talk of feeling exhausted after socialising.

I wonder if there is much research on this massive social shift?

Looking back to when I socialised a lot, some of it I wanted to do, some of it I just felt I ought to as it would be good for me. We've had a good excuse to not push ourselves for a long time.

Has anyone who has felt like this managed to overcome it and feel like they used to?

OP posts:
StartingGrid · 20/09/2021 21:59

I feel like I've lost the art of conversation, and now find the thought of meeting people in social settings daunting... yet I've worked all through covid, in the workplace too, and hardly given that a second thought. I think if anything mine is a bit of a case of burnout - just a day at home to myself, with no-one else around, would be bliss...

lazylinguist · 20/09/2021 22:01

Interesting. Tbh I don't feel I have any expectations imposed on me to socialise. I don't get out much, and lockdown actually made me realise I'd quite like to get out more! I've recently rejoined a choir that I'd quit because I couldn't be arsed, and I'm really enjoying it. I'm naturally a bit of an introvert, but don't see that as at all morally superior (or inferior).

lannistunut · 20/09/2021 22:11

@LukeEvansWife

But now that it needs to be a big effort, especially if people don't live in a walkable distance, it turns into a decision rather than just how life is.

But social media means that you can socialise without stepping out of your front door

Social media is nothing like real life interaction IMO.
LukeEvansWife · 20/09/2021 22:16

No to be fair it’s better

MyPatronusIsACat · 20/09/2021 22:37

@nestoftables

I think the discussion around people just avoiding making an effort, or whether the effort is worth the reward (which seems to vary for different people but will also depend on what socialising you are doing) is interesting.

As I said earlier, until recent decades people didn't have to make as much effort to have a social circle. Larger families and different generations living near each other. Knowing people through work, religion, etc. And just bumping into people in your own community regularly which builds up familiarity and sometimes leads to friendship.

But now that it needs to be a big effort, especially if people don't live in a walkable distance, it turns into a decision rather than just how life is.

This is spades. When I was growing up in the 1970s, most of the women didn't work, they didn't drive, and many of them - especially say, over 40 (so born 1930s and earlier,) had never^ worked, so they never had ex-work colleagues ...

They had their husband working all day, and they never had the internet, or netflix, or 100 tv channels, facebook, smartphones, or amazon, and as I said they couldn't drive so couldn't go anywhere unless the bus was going there... And the small close community/family and friends/ pubs/ shops/ bingo being within 20 minutes walk was absolutely essential.

The bingo once a week and a night at the pub was their social life, often with friends or family members. They would have been very isolated with no family or friends or social activities nearby. My mother would have had just 3 TV channels and her knitting for company most of the time if not for living in a traditional old close community where everything/everyone was within a 20 minute walk.

Now, I live with just me and DH (kids left several years ago,) I work part time, I drive, the closest shops and doctors, and train station is 3-4 miles away, and my extended family is 17-25 miles away. I see them maybe 3 times a year. (I do see DC twice a month though, and see friends once a month-ish.)

But I have the car, friends in my village as well as outside it, a part time job I enjoy with lovely colleagues, the internet, 100 tv channels, a couple of hobby groups I partake in, and a beautiful area that I live in to walk around. With woodlands, canal, and river... Not too far from mountains too...

I can get in the car and be by the sea within an hour. Driving is the one thing I would struggle to do without. I would feel so trapped without it. Yet, barely any woman I knew pre 1980 could drive. And the older the woman was at the time, the less likelihood she would be able to drive. People didn't need to drive when everything was on your doorstep! Family, friends, job, pubs, shops, doctors, schools etc etc... Driving is essential for many now everything is not...

As you say though, socialising/going to see people now is such an effort and a ball-ache most of the time. There's no popping round for a coffee 2 or 3 times a week, like our mothers and grandmothers etc used to do, because so many people live dozens (or hundreds) of miles apart, so it can be more of a chore to meet up. Not always, but sometimes.

Although I enjoyed growing up in that close 'pop in for a coffee' community, I would not like it now. I prefer my alone time, spending time with DH and the cats, (and my adult DC and friends every few weeks,) But I couldn't be arsed with people popping in every day. May have been OK for women when they had very little else to do. But I am too busy and occupied to be arsed most of the time.

LukeEvansWife · 20/09/2021 22:47

This is spades. ^ When I was growing up in the 1970s, most of the women didn't work, they didn't drive, and many of them - especially say, over 40 (so born 1930s and earlier,) had never worked, so they never had ex-work colleagues ...

I wonder if that was regional? I was born in 1970 - my mum worked from when I was three. She had to, she had left my violent father but she was also very driven.

Her mother (born in about 1908) worked until the mid 70s as well.

I remember my aunt who didn’t work was very much outside the norm. Most of the kids at school had two working parents as well

LukeEvansWife · 20/09/2021 22:48

And actually as kids we didn’t go on ‘playdates’ or have friends round often

MyPatronusIsACat · 20/09/2021 22:55

@LukeEvansWife

This is spades. ^ When I was growing up in the 1970s, most of the women didn't work, they didn't drive, and many of them - especially say, over 40 (so born 1930s and earlier,) had never worked, so they never had ex-work colleagues ...

I wonder if that was regional? I was born in 1970 - my mum worked from when I was three. She had to, she had left my violent father but she was also very driven.

Her mother (born in about 1908) worked until the mid 70s as well.

I remember my aunt who didn’t work was very much outside the norm. Most of the kids at school had two working parents as well

Could have been regional. Or maybe class driven. I grew up in a working class family/area. I did know a couple of middle class 'career' women who had been to uni (unheard of in my working class area/community) and they could drive. So it could have been a class thing. Smile

Although... these women in the late 1970s/early1980s, were a bit younger like in their 20s... (like born in the mid 50s to mid 1960s.) I don't think I knew hardly any women born before 1945 who could drive. Not saying none could. I just didn't know many. One or two a the most.

LukeEvansWife · 20/09/2021 23:13

Actually I grew up in a working class area - my grandmother lived in a council house all her life. I knew women born in the 1940s who could drive.

None of them went to uni. They just had a determination not to be financially reliant on a husband

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 20/09/2021 23:35

My grandma could drive, she was born in the 1920s, and was working class. But by the 1970s my grandad was working as a Regional Officer for his trade union and had a company car. He taught her to drive it.

She worked for most of her life too, as did all of her three sisters and their mother. They couldn't really afford not to.

They did all live near each other and were forever "popping in", I'll grant you that mind.

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