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Gas and electricity bills to soar

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Cosmos123 · 18/09/2021 17:33

This is worrying as it will push many into fuel poverty.
Rising food prices and empty shelves.
Is anyone worried?

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Isis1981uk · 20/09/2021 19:50

I can't believe some of these fuel bills, they already sound very high! I pay £66 per month with Eon (at it's maximum it's been £99) on a Smart metre for both gas & electric. That's 2 adults/2 kids in a 3 bed semi.

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 20/09/2021 19:59

I pay £85 per month (dual fuel) for a 4 bed house (Inc electric underfloor heating in one room which is expensive to run). This is fixed until February (assuming that a - my usage doesn't change, which it shouldn't and b - that my supplier doesn't go bust in the interim!) On a current comparison my next cheapest deal is the sainsburys/Eon one that PPs have mentioned for a whopping £140 per month!!!! I'm fortunate that I can sit where I am until Feb (assuming supplier stays solvent), but goodness knows what the situation will be like then!

MojoMoon · 20/09/2021 20:03

@OhYouBadBadKitten

The single market/internal energy market are the same thing - the basic principle being there should be unfettered flow of electricity and gas between EU member states (and some non members who are in the IEM).
So governments should not be banning exports or imports or putting punitive taxes on them
It makes the continent more robust and more efficient. Rather than each individual state needing to build lots of surplus capacity for emergencies that wastes resources sitting idle, you can share the risk over many countries.
In one of the early Ukraine - Russia gas conflict for example, some member states (in the east/central Europe) were more exposed to gas flows stopping from Ukraine. By having an internal energy market, they could adapt and import easily from other neighbours instead (who can get gas from the North Sea or via LNG).

In this case the issue is gas is expensive everywhere right now. Japan is having a similar issue as Spain and UK. As is coal, for anyone claiming we should burn that. China has told heavy industry in some areas to switch off as they are low on coal.

There are a few factors driving this - it was a cold winter last year so stocks of coal and gas were depleted, then a hot summer in parts of Asia meaning ongoing gas demand to make power for air con.

Plus Covid meant maintainance at gas fields, coal mines and power plants that should have taken place was delayed last year and has to take place this year. The UK has a few nuclear power plant units that are not running at the moment for example - because they are off for maintenance. It would have been helpful if they were able to run but they cannot.

And then a few extra surprises like a big fire at the cable which brings us power from France.

The long term answer is to continue to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels, where you are always at the mercy of global supply and demand fundamentals that you cannot control

If we covered most of our demand by wind, solar, hydro, tidal etc power plus a bit of nuclear, then we'd not be exposed to this sort of issue.
That also means switching away from gas heating!

NotMyCat · 20/09/2021 20:08

@Isis1981uk

I can't believe some of these fuel bills, they already sound very high! I pay £66 per month with Eon (at it's maximum it's been £99) on a Smart metre for both gas & electric. That's 2 adults/2 kids in a 3 bed semi.
I currently pay £65pm to bulb. 2 bed apartment, live alone and barely have the heating on My gas is minimal but electric is £35-40 depending how much I use my heated airer
Aurea · 20/09/2021 20:09

I think I win the prize for the highest energy bill.

£245 a month new fixed deal with EON for 24 months!!!

4 bed detached Victorian granite house in northern Scotland. We do both work from home and there are several PCs and screens running throughout day.

Sexnotgender · 20/09/2021 20:11

@Aurea

I think I win the prize for the highest energy bill.

£245 a month new fixed deal with EON for 24 months!!!

4 bed detached Victorian granite house in northern Scotland. We do both work from home and there are several PCs and screens running throughout day.

My bill is around that too🙁

5 bed single glazed Victorian detached house in Scotland.

Kara198 · 20/09/2021 20:17

I was with People's Energy and in the last half hour just had my welcome email from British Gas who ofgem have switched me to.
Play the waiting game now to see what my new rate will be!

userxx · 20/09/2021 20:23

@Aurea

I think I win the prize for the highest energy bill.

£245 a month new fixed deal with EON for 24 months!!!

4 bed detached Victorian granite house in northern Scotland. We do both work from home and there are several PCs and screens running throughout day.

Jesus. Makes me love my small 2 bed house that little bit more!! That's eye watering.

gibletjane · 20/09/2021 20:25

So should I stay on my variable rate at £120 a month or switch?

Claudethecat · 20/09/2021 20:29

@gibletjane

So should I stay on my variable rate at £120 a month or switch?
Who are you with? If one of the bigger suppliers I would stay put! Also, Martin Lewis says variable rate may be the best option for now, I posted his video earlier in the thread, it is worth a watch.
Sexnotgender · 20/09/2021 20:29

@gibletjane

So should I stay on my variable rate at £120 a month or switch?
I definitely wouldn’t stay on a variable rate!
Sexnotgender · 20/09/2021 20:31

Who are you with? If one of the bigger suppliers I would stay put! Also, Martin Lewis says variable rate may be the best option for now, I posted his video earlier in the thread, it is worth a watch.
Really? Prices are just going up and up. Will costs not just keep increasing with a variable rate?

BrownCurlsAmberEyes · 20/09/2021 20:32

Interestingly Sainsbury's 1 year fixed rate is cheaper than their variable right now (I just got a quote) - I think that suggests they think prices are coming back down again within that time period?

Claudethecat · 20/09/2021 20:33

Watch the video @sexnotgender, Martin Lewis explains why it might be a good option.

Claudethecat · 20/09/2021 20:36

The part you want is about two minutes in.

User45829057 · 20/09/2021 20:39

Variable rate is capped for 6 months so it won't go up until April from October, it is set every six months.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/09/2021 20:53

[quote MojoMoon]@OhYouBadBadKitten

The single market/internal energy market are the same thing - the basic principle being there should be unfettered flow of electricity and gas between EU member states (and some non members who are in the IEM).
So governments should not be banning exports or imports or putting punitive taxes on them
It makes the continent more robust and more efficient. Rather than each individual state needing to build lots of surplus capacity for emergencies that wastes resources sitting idle, you can share the risk over many countries.
In one of the early Ukraine - Russia gas conflict for example, some member states (in the east/central Europe) were more exposed to gas flows stopping from Ukraine. By having an internal energy market, they could adapt and import easily from other neighbours instead (who can get gas from the North Sea or via LNG).

In this case the issue is gas is expensive everywhere right now. Japan is having a similar issue as Spain and UK. As is coal, for anyone claiming we should burn that. China has told heavy industry in some areas to switch off as they are low on coal.

There are a few factors driving this - it was a cold winter last year so stocks of coal and gas were depleted, then a hot summer in parts of Asia meaning ongoing gas demand to make power for air con.

Plus Covid meant maintainance at gas fields, coal mines and power plants that should have taken place was delayed last year and has to take place this year. The UK has a few nuclear power plant units that are not running at the moment for example - because they are off for maintenance. It would have been helpful if they were able to run but they cannot.

And then a few extra surprises like a big fire at the cable which brings us power from France.

The long term answer is to continue to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels, where you are always at the mercy of global supply and demand fundamentals that you cannot control

If we covered most of our demand by wind, solar, hydro, tidal etc power plus a bit of nuclear, then we'd not be exposed to this sort of issue.
That also means switching away from gas heating![/quote]
Thank you Mojo, I appreciate you taking the time to answer so comprehensively. I was reading earlier about Nord Stream 2 as well and how Europe might be being held to ransom by Russia over it?

It does all sound rather perfect stormish.

We were due to be having solar panels fitted this summer, alongside a battery. The irony is that a shortage of panels has severely delayed the scheme that we signed up to.

Blindleadingtheblind · 20/09/2021 21:06

@HarebrightCedarmoon

Just nationalise it. It's absolutely ridiculous that there was ever allowed to be a market for something as basic as gas, electricity and water and that companies were allowed to make profit on it. Energy is a complete rip off in this country.
Hear hear!
CovidCorvid · 20/09/2021 21:13

@User45829057

Variable rate is capped for 6 months so it won't go up until April from October, it is set every six months.
But I guess the gamble is what happens in April?
gibletjane · 20/09/2021 21:16

@Claudethecat british gas

gibletjane · 20/09/2021 21:21

I watched the video thank you, maybe we will just risk it then.

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/09/2021 21:25

Unfortunately for many it will be going back to the 70s seeing breath when you wake up, wearing scarves and fingerless gloves inside, Maybe not having TVs on in every room, not having loads of devices on charge,one pot cooking. I don't think that was most people's experience of the 70s. Except for the TV, but that was because TV was expensive and most households had only one.

gamerchick · 20/09/2021 21:41

Ah I still have our first telly from 1977, built to last those things.

Rabblesthecat · 20/09/2021 21:57

We’re fixed until feb but I dread to think what we’ll pay then

Currently £320 a month mainly due to a large hot tub and koi pond (6 large pumps just driving the air and filters alone!)

We can afford it but it’s going to be bumpy