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AIBU to think that the BBC and other news outlets are reporting that the lack of lorry drivers and care workers is caused by Covid alone and that they are deliberately ignoring Brexit?

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Aurorashields99 · 18/09/2021 07:28

And if you agree, why do you think this is the case? Surely Brexit is as much to blame for these issues so why are they not reporting this fairly?

I must have watched half a dozen news stories over the past few days in which reporters only mention Covid as being the cause of empty shelves in the supermarket and the shortage of care workers. If Brexit is referred to at all, it is only mentioned fleetingly.

Of course Covid has had a heavy impact on these sectors too but it's not the only factor is it? So why is Brexit being ignored?

I am not a journalist or a troll. I have been a member of Mumsnet since 2003.

And yes I know there is a Brexit topic elsewhere but (a) I am interested in people's votes and (b) not being able to discuss this in AIBU and confining this thread to the Brexit topic is the perfect example of the issue I am complaining about here.

And it is allowing Boris Johnson and Michael Gove to cover their tracks and not to have to face the consequences of their actions. Covid is providing the perfect cover for them both.

Why aren't reporters doing their job and reporting the facts fairly? Why is Brexit being swept under the rug? Is it because Johnson and Gove were former journalists themselves and know how to spin events in their favour?

Or is Brexit a dirty word now even though we are all living with consequences?

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ssd · 18/09/2021 07:31

I agree. Also the shortage in the nhs caused by workers not staying in this country anymore.

You sometimes wonder if the government secretly love covid as it covers a bloody multitude.

NantesElephant · 18/09/2021 07:31

Are other European countries who have been dealing with COVID but not Brexit in the way we have experienced similar shortages? Honest question as I don’t know the answer.

Shurl · 18/09/2021 07:33

The reports I have heard haven mentioned Brexit as one of the reasons. Exacerbated by covid because no one wants to risk moving to a new country and getting stuck there right now.

So, even as a remainder, I don't think it's being brushed under the rug particularly. I do also think we won't really be able to see clearly the effects of brexit fir about 20 years. It's too immediate, with too many variables right now.

Orangejuicemarathoner · 18/09/2021 07:34

@NantesElephant

Are other European countries who have been dealing with COVID but not Brexit in the way we have experienced similar shortages? Honest question as I don’t know the answer.
to some extent, but we are getting it around 10x worse, and the situation is deteriorating here, as it improves elsewhere
Justjoinedforthis · 18/09/2021 07:34

@NantesElephant apparently there is a worldwide worker shortage due to loads of different factors, but I only heard this from Andrew Neil talking to someone (not Gb news btw!!)

Orangejuicemarathoner · 18/09/2021 07:34

"Lack of lorry drivers" doesn't account for lorry drivers sitting at home with nothing to do, or lorries arriving half empty

SpringRainbow · 18/09/2021 07:37

I said all along that they will (attempt to) hide the true impact of Brexit with Covid.

Claraboochuffing · 18/09/2021 07:40

Well the issue with lorry drivers was brewing before covid. I do think rather than banging on endlessly about brexit it would be better to focus on current issues. its a hard job, the conditions have deteriorated over the years, and for this its not amazing pay.
This is also an issue not unique to the uk

Orangejuicemarathoner · 18/09/2021 07:40

@Claraboochuffing

Well the issue with lorry drivers was brewing before covid. I do think rather than banging on endlessly about brexit it would be better to focus on current issues. its a hard job, the conditions have deteriorated over the years, and for this its not amazing pay. This is also an issue not unique to the uk
the main issue isn't shortage of lorry drivers though, is it
daisypond · 18/09/2021 07:40

Well, I listened to the BBC’s Farming Today this morning, and the lack of drivers and staff in general was definitely linked to Brexit. One farmer had to throw away his milk because there wasn’t a driver to pick it up. And the lack of staff working in abattoirs and meat processing plants meant pigs were being held on farms with farmers not knowing what to do with them - which means the price has plummeted while the costs have risen - all blamed on Brexit.

Claraboochuffing · 18/09/2021 07:40

Sorry it was brewing before brexit (and indeed covid)

Enb76 · 18/09/2021 07:42

This is stolen from FB so cannot vouch for the veracity but it is interesting

‘So, you are running out of food on the shelves, fuel in the garages, you can’t buy things you need, because the shops can’t get their supplies.
Why is that?

A shortage of goods? No
A shortage of money? No
A shortage of drivers to deliver the goods? Well, sort of.
There isn’t actually a shortage of drivers, what we have, is a shortage of people who can drive, that are willing to drive any more. You might wonder why that is. I can’t answer for all drivers, but I can give you the reason I no longer drive. Driving was something I always yearned to do as a young boy, and as soon as I could, I managed to get my driving licence, I even joined the army to get my HGV licence faster, I held my licence at the age of 17. It was all I ever wanted to do, drive trucks, I had that vision of being a knight of the roads, bringing the goods to everyone, providing a service everyone needed. What I didn’t take into account was the absolute abuse my profession would get over the years.
I have seen a massive decline in the respect this trade has, first, it was the erosion of truck parking and transport café’s, then it was the massive increase in restricting where I could stop, timed weight limits in just about every city and town, but not all the time, you can get there to do your delivery, but you can’t stay there, nobody wants an empty truck, nobody wants you there once they have what they did want.
Compare France to the UK. I can park in nearly every town or village, they have marked truck parking bays, and somewhere nearby, will be a small routier, where I can get a meal and a shower, the locals respect me, and have no problems with me or my truck being there for the night.
Go out onto the motorway services, and I can park for no cost, go into the service area, and get a shower for a minimal cost, and have freshly cooked food, I even get to jump the queues, because others know that my time is limited, and respect I am there because it is my job. Add to that, I even get a 20% discount of all I purchase. Compare that to the UK £25-£40 just to park overnight, dirty showers, and expensive, dried (under heat lamps) food that is overpriced, and I have no choice but to park there, because you don’t want me in your towns and cities.
Ask yourself how you would feel, if doing your job actually cost you money at the end of the day, just so you could rest.
But that isn’t the half of it. Not only have we been rejected from our towns and cities, but we have also suffered massive pay cuts, because of the influx of foreign drivers willing to work for a wage that is high where they come from, companies eagerly recruited from the eastern bloc, who can blame them, why pay good money when you can get cheap labour, and a never ending supply of it as well. Never mind that their own countries would suffer from a shortage themselves, that was never our problem, they could always get people from further afield if they needed drivers.
We were once seen as knights of the road, now we are seen as the lepers of society. Why would anyone want to go back to that?
If you are worried about not getting supplies on your supermarket shelves, ask your local council just how well they cater for trucks in your district.
I know Canterbury has the grand total of zero truck parking facilities, but does have a lot of restrictions, making it difficult for trucks to stop anywhere.
Do you want me to go back to driving trucks? Give me a good reason to do so. Give anyone a good reason to take it up as a profession.
Perhaps once you work out why you can’t, you will understand why your shelves are not as full as they could be.
I tried it for over 30 years, but will never go back, you just couldn't pay me enough.

Walkingwounded · 18/09/2021 07:44

YANBU.

I always used to trust the BBC as impartial. But thr lack of any links to Brexit in these things - European lorry drivers returning home, the Govt refusing to put lorry drivers on the shortage occupation visa list, empty shelves in part due to admin challenges - makes me feel that they are more and more a govt mouthpiece.

Even considered not paying the licence fee which for me is quite something.

Finknottlesnewt · 18/09/2021 07:46

I completely agree OP.
I started a thread last night about the lack of reporting wrt to empty shelves and food shortages.

Several quite bizarre responses. Despite over a 100 responses confirming shortages including those from people actually working in the food chain. (Farming, meat processing, distribution, supermarket ordering - confirming how dire things are ) those whose shelves were still stocked insisted that there was no issue - nothing to see here - be quiet . Stop causing panic.

Honestly ! It was like being in some kind of Trumpian nightmare where the bloody obvious is called the opposite by the means of shouting the truth sayer down and making them feel like they are stirring up civil unrest by mentioning it.

Scary scary censorship seems to be going on. I am MUCH more worried about that than any actual food shortages. !

Ylvamoon · 18/09/2021 07:47

There is also a genuine supply chain issue.

You could have all the lorry drivers in the world, but some goods are just not available. I know for certain, that is the case for other European countries due to covid-19.

However, I am with you OP that some things are worse because of Brexit.

Ostryga · 18/09/2021 07:55

Well I can confirm that Portugal, Spain and Italy don’t have any food shortages at all. They’ve all had awful times with covid, but we’re fucked and they’re getting better.

RoseAndRose · 18/09/2021 07:57

Some shortages are international

Here's the current US advice

www.usda.gov/coronavirus/food-supply-chain

I think this thread is an example of confirmation bias.

UsedUpUsername · 18/09/2021 07:57

Relatives in the US are definitely observing rolling shortages, seems to be related to global shipping delays.

VallarMorghulis · 18/09/2021 07:58

@NantesElephant

Are other European countries who have been dealing with COVID but not Brexit in the way we have experienced similar shortages? Honest question as I don’t know the answer.
Not at all.
Aurorashields99 · 18/09/2021 07:59

@Walkingwounded

YANBU.

I always used to trust the BBC as impartial. But thr lack of any links to Brexit in these things - European lorry drivers returning home, the Govt refusing to put lorry drivers on the shortage occupation visa list, empty shelves in part due to admin challenges - makes me feel that they are more and more a govt mouthpiece.

Even considered not paying the licence fee which for me is quite something.

I agree Walkingwounded I can't help speculating someone has taken a policy decision somewhere to stop referring to Brexit.

Although I agree Newrumpus that the written news seems to be more balanced.

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TheNatureOfTheCatastrophe · 18/09/2021 07:59

I get almost all of my news from the BBC and am fully aware that the lorry driver shortage is caused by a combination of backlog of HGV tests due to Covid, exodus of EU lorry drivers due to Brexit (and also Covid to some extent), and long term reluctance of workers to do the job because they've been increasingly underpaid and treated badly for the last twenty years.

However, and I say this as a determined Remainer, the reason why the workforce were underpaid and made to work in grim conditions was probably because there was a large supply of Eastern European drivers prepared to put up with those conditions. It looks a lot as if Brexit is having exactly the effect that its voters wanted and forcing wages and conditions to be increased to a point to make the job attractive. Of course it's happening in a totally chaotic and unplanned way because of the combination of Covid and this sodding government.

TheNatureOfTheCatastrophe · 18/09/2021 08:03

This is the BBC page breaking down the reasons for the shortage - I always forget IR35.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/57810729

reprehensibleme · 18/09/2021 08:03

Every time the truck driver shortage is mentioned on R4 news issues due to Brexit are covered - it's been that way for weeks. There's plenty on the BBC:
article
and another
and another

Aurorashields99 · 18/09/2021 08:07

@Ylvamoon

There is also a genuine supply chain issue. You could have all the lorry drivers in the world, but some goods are just not available. I know for certain, that is the case for other European countries due to covid-19. However, I am with you OP that some things are worse because of Brexit.
Yes there is a problem with shipping containers from China (and there was the Suez canal delay). Anecdotally though, I think those delays are being exacerbated by the lack of lorry drivers distributing goods to the UK.
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