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Advice on dealing with difficult children

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Wonderingone3 · 17/09/2021 09:48

Please could I ask advice?
I have 3 children. The eldest are lazy-my fault. I have done everything to date. The youngest is 4 and has daily tantrums. I feel out of control and desperate to establish some order. I have been unwell recently and really need their behaviour to improve. My older 2 are late teens and I feel they are critical and entitled. They complain about everything I do but do nothing themselves. The youngest seems to hate me and is regularly destructive, breaks toys, throws food, kicks and smacks me. Dad's contact is on and off, I can't rely on it. Financial worries too, but just about get by.
If anyone has been in this position and found a way for things to improve, or has an outside perspective, I'd be grateful.
Thanks very much.

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Summerhillsquare · 17/09/2021 15:39

Different perspective here OP. You know the saying that you can't pour from an empty cup? What would fill your cup? People (adult or child) respond much better to calm and assertive people. Even if you can't be completely content, after all life is stressful, what would give you a bit more sense of yourself? I think you would find the kids responding much more positively when you are confident and firm in your approach.

Marni83 · 17/09/2021 16:02

@Summerhillsquare

Different perspective here OP. You know the saying that you can't pour from an empty cup? What would fill your cup? People (adult or child) respond much better to calm and assertive people. Even if you can't be completely content, after all life is stressful, what would give you a bit more sense of yourself? I think you would find the kids responding much more positively when you are confident and firm in your approach.
How is that a different perspective?
RickJames · 17/09/2021 16:20

I understand, OP.

My parents were authoritarian and arbitrary so I've been really soppy with my DS. He's 11 now so I've spent the last 6 months being positive and generous but also much stricter and following through with consequences. I've had some disappointing times but I feel its starting to show some dividends. He's even started thanking me for putting him straight and for some of his new skills like laundry and DIY.

I feel you on the energy thing though but, it's getting easier and less energy sapping as he starts to concede to stuff. Examples would be: limited use of Nintendo, wearing his braces, homework done nicely, preparing his school stuff for the next day etc. I just tell myself it's the long game and he'll be a happier adult.

Wonderingone3 · 17/09/2021 17:07

Thanks all.
I would like to feel more 'full' cup, I do need to consider what I could do to give me a lift.
Just to update I prepared an easy tea for my youngest and sat with him while he ate it. He did very well (no tv etc) and I praised him a lot. He is now watching TV as a reward. I have explained the new routine for him.
I am now cooking for the elder 2 and will make them sit at the table when it's done.
I wanted to update because you've all been kind enough to offer advice. I will continue to do so.

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Marni83 · 17/09/2021 17:08

@Wonderingone3

Thanks all. I would like to feel more 'full' cup, I do need to consider what I could do to give me a lift. Just to update I prepared an easy tea for my youngest and sat with him while he ate it. He did very well (no tv etc) and I praised him a lot. He is now watching TV as a reward. I have explained the new routine for him. I am now cooking for the elder 2 and will make them sit at the table when it's done. I wanted to update because you've all been kind enough to offer advice. I will continue to do so.
Baby steps Brilliant start Good luck

If i were you… I’d eat WITH the older ones
And I’d make it a bit special.
Candles, placemats etc

They will laugh. Possibly scorn

But they will see their mum making an effort and they might just sit down and enjoy

RickJames · 17/09/2021 17:23

@Wonderingone3

That's the spirit! Good luck ❤

Wintercoffee · 17/09/2021 17:28

I’m sorry you’re going through this. This is usually behavioural because of lack of father figure it is really, really common that children especially boys don’t respect mum.

You’re doing the hard work and an amazing job.

Marni83 · 17/09/2021 17:32

@Wintercoffee

I’m sorry you’re going through this. This is usually behavioural because of lack of father figure it is really, really common that children especially boys don’t respect mum.

You’re doing the hard work and an amazing job.

No!!! It is not really common

I am a single mother. My son would never ever disrespect me like this.

Please do not normalise this situation

1AngelicFruitCake · 17/09/2021 18:42

Good luck!

Wonderingone3 · 17/09/2021 19:02

Thanks. The eldest ate dinner together at the table. I couldn't join them tonight as the youngest was getting tired so I bathed him and spent the time talking with him.
One of them is going to load and unload the dishwasher later.
I am really tired and so am going to sit and eat.

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Smartiepants79 · 17/09/2021 19:12

There will be kick back so stay strong. You know this is the best for all of you.
The eldest need to start learning to operate independently and look after themselves. It’s important life skills!

Hibiscusroses · 17/09/2021 19:42

@Wonderingone3

Thanks. The eldest ate dinner together at the table. I couldn't join them tonight as the youngest was getting tired so I bathed him and spent the time talking with him. One of them is going to load and unload the dishwasher later. I am really tired and so am going to sit and eat.

A brilliant start, OP. Sounds like they are also keen for things to change.

proudwomansexmatters · 17/09/2021 20:28

@Wonderingone3

Thanks. The eldest ate dinner together at the table. I couldn't join them tonight as the youngest was getting tired so I bathed him and spent the time talking with him. One of them is going to load and unload the dishwasher later. I am really tired and so am going to sit and eat.
This is wonderful! Great start OP! I hope you're proud of yourself. I'm not surprised you're exhausted. Aside from everything else you're dealing with, the mental exhaustion from recognising an issue and making steps to overcome it is exhausting.

The hardest bit now will be to keep it up. But you will. You can do it.

Like another poster said upthread- this is not about getting your children to fear you. It's about setting boundaries about what is acceptable and what is expected.

Be honest with your teens too. They need to recognise that their mum is exhausted and they need to know how to lighten the load. Emptying the dishwasher will help.

If you don't have any- I can recommend post it notes. They're never going to do stuff without being prompted and you don't want to suffer the mental load. So a few post it notes a la alice in wonderland "empty me" "make mum a brew" on the mug cupboard should be a gentle start!

Choccorocco · 17/09/2021 22:15

Good luck with it all OP. I’ve been in your shoes, I was told to stop being a doormat by the family therapist. It’s easy to make excuses for your children and how they treat you but you deserve their respect. You just have to show them that you will not tolerate being badly treated anymore.
It may get worse before it gets better, it is exhausting having to constantly maintain the boundaries rather than let them slip back into their previous bad treatment of you, and you may need to train yourself to notice what the bad behaviour is in the first place - it’s embarrassing to admit but I didn’t really even notice my kids being rude to me because they did it so often. I know that often it is easier to ignore rather than call them out on their bad behaviour, but if you do this consistently, you will see change. Well done for this evening and long maybe it last.
I also think that teaching them to make you a cuppa is important. They should start getting used to helping you and doing things for you, too. It makes a huge difference feeling a bit looked after.

junebirthdaygirl · 17/09/2021 22:33

I went to a talk in my teens school about dealing with difficult teens. We were all sitting up straight ready to learn. He said you may not like what l'm going to say. It starts with you. If you are stressed, tired etc your teens will be difficult. Looking after yourselves as parents is the most important thing etc etc.
I notice you said you don't always eat. Try to sit down and eat a proper meal with your dc ..all eat the same including your little guy. As you get less stressed they will respond.
For the washing l pick up those towels only used once pop into drier and put them back into their rooms nicely folded and they think they have a new towel. Wash after a few times.
A lot of stuff your kids do like that is just teen stuff. I really think if ye all get eating together it will build an atmosphere of joy in your home for you and them and the little irritating things won't seem as bad. So one step at a time..continue with the family meal but you are sitting and eating with them and chatting together.

Congratulate yourself on their school behaviour as that's up to you too.

proudwomansexmatters · 18/09/2021 19:35

How have you got on today @Wonderingone3 ?

Creamsoda77 · 18/09/2021 19:41

Oh bless you, you definately need help. The older ones can be turned its not too late, start getting them to do things a little to help and build it up, positive praise when they do.
The 4 yr old should not be attacking you, does the time out work, or taking things away or have you done all this?

Creamsoda77 · 18/09/2021 19:45

Also older ones could be like this as they are jealous and feel pushed out if you are always with the younger one, or were they like this before

thelegohooverer · 18/09/2021 20:08

It takes effort and energy op. When I’m not well or we go on holidays and I’m a bit more chilled, the dc lose their way. You haven’t been well, so cut yourself slack for that but once you’re well enough, you need to climb back on the horse and take control.

My rough rule of thumb is to try and have 5 positive interactions for every negative. Sometimes people think this means when you give out you have to say 5 nice things as well. What it means is that you make an effort to see, praise and respond to as many positive things (however minimal) throughout the day so when you do give out you still have a positive balance.

Organise things so that you have control over a key privilege. In my house it’s screen time. They know when it starts and that they have to have certain things done or they don’t get the iPad. If they step out of line they lose 5 minutes. It’s not a huge consequence, so even if I’m hanging by threads and need a break I can hold out!
There’s also the option of earning their time back with a chore.

When they misbehave I say “you’ve just lost 5 minutes of screen time”. And if they’re shaping up I say “do you want to make that ten minutes?”

I don’t do time out but we do “calm downs”, on the bottom step of the stair or when they’re older they can retreat to their rooms. I use the step too when I’m getting angry so they see that even adults can use strategies to calm down. Even as tots I would tell them that they could come back as soon as they were ready to be good.

If I ask for something to be done, I say it standing nearby and say thanks as soon as they stir in the direction of what they’ve been told. That’s what I mean about seeing the positive rather than grumbling at them for being slow.

I have a very full on ds with asd, and these things work. But only when I’m driving the show! When I get sick it slides.

Twillow · 18/09/2021 20:11

@Wonderingone3

It's truly awful. I look at other families and wonder what I've done. The elder 2 want nothing to do with the youngest. They stay upstairs and I am doing all their washing and cooking whilst trying to care for the youngest on my own. I know that I need to set up boundaries but don't know where to start. I am so worn down that I just try to survive to be honest. Everytime I have a bit of spare money there's something one of them wants. I have no makeup or nice clothes. I never go out. I don't have hobbies. It is just a cycle of work, clean, school run, pay out for the next thing and repeat. I am so unhappy.
Have been here.

You have done everything for them, because you love them, because you are a mum. Very likely also because you feel some guilt at being a single parent and try to make it up to them.

With the kindest intention, you need to work on yourself before you work on them. Put your oxygen mask on!
Bit by bit, shift the balance of power. They have it all right now.
You do this by being selfish.
Start by looking after yourself. Enjoy a bath, dye your hair, do your eyebrows, tidy your bedroom - whatever you have neglected but makes YOU feel better.
GO OUT. Go for a coffee, for a walk in the park. Start reconnecting with friends and family - you don't have to tell them anything about the kids. In fact even better that you don't talk about them, focus on something lighter.

When you feel a bit of control over life outside the kids, you gradually can start to take more control over them. It will get easier to stop being hurt by their behaviour.

Start to say no to some of their requests. Resist their attempts to manipulate you and make you argue - just say no, - e.g.
"No I can't afford that".
"No I'm not buying that."
Repeat the same response, calmly, without justifying yourself.
Stick to your guns and they will see a change in you and learn to accept it.

Start giving out tasks. I recommend you don't tie it in with rewards because frankly, you need them to be at a position where they do something because you say so. Don't say please, either! Say "I want you to..."
Older ones can - put away washing up, hoover, make sandwiches, sort their laundry, change their bed (to be honest the younger one probably could do all that too!) Start with something that impacts them directly -
such as laundry.
"I want you to strip your bed by lunchtime so I can wash the sheets."
If they don't do it, don't comment but their bed DOESN'T get changed -certainly not by you. Remind them once - "I'm putting the washing on in 30 minutes guys". If they do it, say thank you, I appreciate that.
Continue to gradually insert tasks and develop them. Do they know how to make a bed? It's not rocket science, but some really struggle so you can show them what works for you.

Remember it's taken a long time to get where you are now, so don't expect miracles overnight. But it can definitely get a whole lot better.
Start by buying yourself some flowers tomorrow!

ThePoint678 · 18/09/2021 20:35

How fabulous that you got everyone eating at the table. For the next night everyone should eat together. If that means adjusting dinner time or having a bath earlier or later fir your youngest, so be it. It’s important you all connect.

Wonderingone3 · 19/09/2021 15:41

Just to update again.
Youngest has been falling asleep in own bed for last 2 nights.
All meals have been at the table. I have asked the elder 2 to help with household chores and they have.
Much easier than I thought.

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Auroreforet · 19/09/2021 15:49

Well done OP.
Children like boundaries and consistency. It makes them feel safer.

nothingcanhurtmewithmyeyesshut · 19/09/2021 16:33

Well done. They aren't bad kids, just testing the boundaries. You just need to be firm and clear what those boundaries are and be consistent in not letting them slide back into old habits.

Twillow · 19/09/2021 16:47

Brilliant update OP. You just needed to find your inner strength. Keep on it x