Don't like being preached at in TV shows

[NutellaEllaElla]

Is it just me? Has it always been this way? There seems to be a moral to every story. Try not to judge my TV watching habits but i'm thinking Grey's Anatomy, The Good Doctor, New Amsterdam. There's probably more i'm not thinking of right now. Was it always so heavy handed on social issues?

Bit unfair to say I was "very racist" (which is defamation)

It's not defamation when it's true.

This could be interesting, as some woke share these views and some western views China don't.

Cancel culture, dogwhistle racism, and now some tenuous 'woke' reference. This thread has turned into a GB News bingo card!

It's not defamation when it's true

Since when, someone being accused of something is not allowed to set the record straight and defend herself?

@mustlovegin

It's not defamation when it's true

Since when, someone being accused of something is not allowed to set the record straight and defend herself?

She's allowed to defend herself. If it really is defamation then maybe she could take legal action, being a big fancy super rich lawyer and all.

Coming back to the main topic of the thread, if that’s allowed, yanbu op.

I remember reading Victorian children’s books a few decades ago and wondering how kids put up with it. Now many children’s books are just as bad, it’s just the theme of the preachiness is different.
Fwiw the moral is generally something I am totally behind, it’s just so clunkily and implausibly written. There was a recent middle grade historical set in WW2 where the climax is basically a young girl evacuee lecturing the whole village on how they should be nicer to refugees. Instead of giving her a clip round the ear or telling her off for getting above herself they are suitably chastened and promise to be nicer in future. It reads like one of those ‘and then everybody clapped’ stories on social media.

Stories with morals aren’t a new thing but we are going through a very moralistic phase in tv and some genres of literature. It used to be something we mocked American tv for but ours is just as bad now.

Stories with morals aren’t a new thing but we are going through a very moralistic phase in tv and some genres of literature

I wouldn't call this moralistic though. Morals have nothing to do with being vegan or non gender critical for instance.

Ideologies are being presented and hammered into people's minds as undisputable facts, that's the problem

Ideologies are being presented and hammered into people's minds as undisputable facts, that's the problem.

I guess the morals part is that many definitions have changed, evil now seems to be someone who refuses to tell lies.

Can I go back to this, trying to understand who is who in all this shambles

The report, from albert, a Bafta-backed sustainability project

If I understand correctly, Bafta is a charity (partly funded by the British taxpayer)

This means we are all paying into a charity, who funds another charity (?) that provides free training to scriptwriters on how to perfect the fine art of indoctrination?

www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/15/cake-mentioned-10-times-more-than-climate-change-on-uk-tv-report

If I understand correctly, Bafta is a charity (partly funded by the British taxpayer)

This means we are all paying into a charity, who funds another charity (?) that provides free training to scriptwriters on how to perfect the fine art of indoctrination?

It seems to be a pattern, it happens in schools too with charities.

it happens in schools too with charities

There needs to be a serious charity overhaul and the public funding that goes into them IMO

But that's probably a topic for another thread

@FlemCandango

Highway to Heaven, Littlest Hobo, Quantum Leap anyone remember those. Back in the 80s it felt like all US TV came with a side order of moralising, all flavoured with patriarchy, racism and rugged individualism. There were only a few channels so it was impossible to avoid. That was hard.

New Amsterdam forgot to include a compelling plot and interesting characterisation, Grey's Anatomy is ridiculous fluff and the Good Doctor list me with its one note portrayal of Autism. So the heavy moralising is not the main issue that puts me off those programmes. Shondaland lost all moral high ground imo when marital rape was whistled past in Bridgerton!

I must be a very conflicted person as I am rewatching Quantum Leap and thoroughly enjoying it!

On the other hand the fact that practically every advert features a mixed race family or person (because black people can't be too black) annoys me every single time. As a black woman with a mixed race child I find it all too cynical and lazy.

I feel that it does not lead to enlightenment, but instead to people switching off. I accept being a minority. We should be visible, but our representation should be realistic and not over exaggerated. It is not doing us any favours. Adverts should be more representative (as much as they can be when they are from a middle class viewpoint).

We need more stories that prioritise the most effective solutions, such as reducing flights we take, trying to eat a low-carbon diet, and using less energy within our homes.

“Lifestyle changes also need to be talked about in terms of how they relate to changes to infrastructure and policies that help people make the shift to lower-carbon living. And we should be talking about inequalities in wealth that mean that some households, on all continents, consume much more than others.”

I have always been on the green side, I don't need people telling me off for others crimes.

What I do not understand is why we should be taking things seriously to the point of some almost wanting us to go back to the dark ages lifestyle whilst today Kate took a helicopter rather than a car (I gather child number four is on the way with it's huge carbon footprint) the Ginger Prince of Bel air wasted goodness knows how much energy on the PR and clothes and magazine stunt whilst he Obama are living it up with their huge carbon footprints, if they were that worried you would think they would be living differently.

There needs to be a serious charity overhaul and the public funding that goes into them IMO

They should make themselves redundant and be staffed by volunteers.

On the other hand the fact that practically every advert features a mixed race family or person (because black people can't be too black) annoys me every single time. As a black woman with a mixed race child I find it all too cynical and lazy

It's about proximity to whiteness. It's even more convenient to do since people prefer to call mixed race people Black. So they probably think, "we ARE hiring black people just mainly the ones closer to white "
And everyone else thinks, "They ARE hiring Black people so what are you complaining about?"

Once again, it benefits everyone but Black people and Black people are pushed to the back for (a percentage of) whiteness.

@SunIsBehindGreySky

Oh dear, I fell for that one didn't I?

It's not in, it wasn't a joke I read it in the papers, independent, Scotsman etc released an hour ago.

@SunIsBehindGreySky

There needs to be a serious charity overhaul and the public funding that goes into them IMO

They should make themselves redundant and be staffed by volunteers.

What, all charities should be staffed completely by volunteers?

Do you have to derail every thread with your conspiracy bull?

What has a deal about security got to do with this thread?