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Childminder - is this normal practice?

138 replies

JackGrealishsHair · 10/09/2021 10:32

Just started looking round at childminders locally and it's the first time I've done this. A genuine AIBU to be surprised / shocked by these practices?

For context children are aged from 12 months up to 5 years.

  • children sleep on a plastic crashmat on the floor all piled in together. No blankets, no cots for tiny ones, no curtains in the room. This room is also used for soft play. Is this normal practice?
  • meals are always dahl and bread. Always vegetarian and lentil based, some variation on the dahl recipe. This is because so many children have different dietary requirements, so its easier. If parents wish child to eat something else eg chicken or vegetables they have to provide those already prepared.
  • there are no high chairs available for very young children at meals. They eat in the floor or if they can manage sitting in a small chair.
  • nap time is the same for every child regardless of age or routine at home.
  • childminder says she will often tell children that they love them and this is healthy because of how close she is with the children.

AIBU to be surprised by these or is it normal?

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YukoandHiro · 10/09/2021 12:26

Floor mat stuff is normal across settings - when in the baby room my DD did have a sleeping bag though, and they had separate mats, not all on top of each other

Food is lazy. Meeting dietary requirements while offering a varied meal plan is part of the job.

NoSquirrels · 10/09/2021 12:31

If you don’t like it you don’t like it, but none of it is especially odd - just cultural differences, I’d say.

I’d be happy with the food (because you can supplement it if you like, and because some childminders do no food at all & you have to send in, so some hot food on offer sounds great. Dahl is delicious and very nutritious) and OK with the sleep arrangements as long as the CM had contingency plans for children that didn’t settle. I assume there’s only 3 DC there in the daytime max so seems fine to me.

The expressing love thing - your comfort level dictates this but I was always really grateful my CM loved my kids and told them so. It was what I wanted in a CM setting - an extra special person to look after them.

Eastie77Returns · 10/09/2021 12:34

Well none of it sounds abnormal as such, it's all about your personal preference?

We visited a childminder who sounded great on paper and even had her own website showcasing activities etc. She lived in a large house in a leafy part of town and the house sounded ideal. Upon arrival we discovered similar things such as the children sleeping on mats in a tiny room and strange menu choices. She had a very unfriendly looking/hostile DH who worked from home and she mentioned she would leave napping mindees with him whilst she picked up her own DC from school. She also said she led all children in prayer twice a day. None of this worked for us. She was able to provide references from happy parents including a local doctor and solicitor so I guess it's all horses for courses.

We've been with our current CM for 8 years now. I don't know if she's ever told the DC she loves them but they certainly love her.

Cruiser123 · 10/09/2021 12:44

Why wouldn't you want your child to feel securely attached and loved if it spends 8 to 9 hours a day with a person?

Nomorepies · 10/09/2021 12:46

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Maryann1975 · 10/09/2021 12:51

Just started looking round at childminders locally and it's the first time I've done this. A genuine AIBU to be surprised / shocked by these practices?

For context children are aged from 12 months up to 5 years.

  • children sleep on a plastic crashmat on the floor all piled in together. No blankets, no cots for tiny ones, no curtains in the room. This room is also used for soft play. Is this normal practice?
  • meals are always dahl and bread. Always vegetarian and lentil based, some variation on the dahl recipe. This is because so many children have different dietary requirements, so its easier. If parents wish child to eat something else eg chicken or vegetables they have to provide those already prepared.
  • there are no high chairs available for very young children at meals. They eat in the floor or if they can manage sitting in a small chair.
  • nap time is the same for every child regardless of age or routine at home.
  • childminder says she will often tell children that they love them and this is healthy because of how close she is with the children.

AIBU to be surprised by these or is it normal?

How many childminders have you been to see? I’d be very surprised that they were all the same, following this kind of setting As it sounds unusual?

It is a nightmare trying to please very one food wise. At the moment, I’ve got one who refuses any kind of fruit or veg and it’s a battle to get her to eat any kind of protein as all she wants is crisps and biscuits and a bottle of fizzy pop and another who at home is fed really lovely dinners, with a completely lovely variety of what I consider unusual fruit and veg. If she has found something everyone eats and the parents are happy, that’s fine (although ideally there should be A lot more variety).

Napping on mats, again, it’s not for me, but if parents are happy and the children are napping If they want to, that’s the most important thing. I try to get all my children to nap at the same time if possible. We go out in the morning, so it fits for everyone to have a nap after lunch. Is it a cultural thing that the children sit on the floor to eat? Again it’s unusual but if it works for them?

I’ve had children who tell me they love me every day. I respond that I love them too. It’s never really crossed my mind to tell parents that I say it back, but it’s kind of hurtful if you tell someone you love them and they don’t say it back. I don’t initiate that though, it comes from the child. And some never tell me, which is fine, they still get hugs and cuddles when they want them.

Please go and see some other childminders in your area and hopefully one of them will be a better fit with how you want to raise your dc.

Drinkingallthewine · 10/09/2021 12:53

Some of it is fine, other parts not so much. The mat is fine, but a blanket should be provided. Vegetarian food, ok, but again, variation for nutritional purposes is expected.

Go with your gut. I viewed one place and while it ticked all the boxes, something felt off - they had pictures on the wall of some kids baking and doing other activities but the expressions on their faces were like they were startled to be shoehorned into an apron and handed a bowl for a photo. They didn't look happy, that was for sure. There was also no toys at baby level in the baby room and the few they did have were old and tired looking.

Anyway, went to view a dearer nursery. Offered a tour on the spot, and was able to see how they interacted with the children on the spur of the moment. In the baby room, it was bright, spotless and loads of toys on the play-floor, with all the babies absorbed in their activities and the vibe was just one of contentment. One of the workers came over with a little one snuggled into her sucking his thumb. While she was telling me about the room she was absent-mindedly stroking his temple and he was loving it. The gesture was so unthinkingly affectionate that immediately I thought "yep, I would be happy to leave PFB in their care." They had a varied menu, cooked by a qualified cook and all freshly prepared every day.
They showed me the inspection report, and showed the changes they had made in line with it's recommendations.
I'm so glad I picked that one, it was a great one. The manager was a take-no-shit from parents person and I loved her for it.

Antinerak · 10/09/2021 12:57

A 1 year old can definitely sleep on a mat. In most nurseries you'll find they sleep on mats when they're past the baby age.

I understand they should have a secure bond and close relationship with the kids but saying they love them seems a bit off to me. If they specified that it suggests a parent has had a problem with it before so they're warning other parents it will happen.

The food may contain plenty of veg and good ingredients but what child would want to eat that every day, especially if they're there for long hours.

It sounds like laziness due to accepting more children than they can care for. Whether it's in ratio or not it doesn't sound well managed.

BarbaraofSeville · 10/09/2021 12:58

@INeedNewShoes

This sounds like a cultural difference.

I don't translate any of your points to the childminder not being caring or good at what they do (although the lack of variety in diet isn't great at least the one meal on offer is a good one).

I agree. In some cultures dhal is obviously very common and a standard food for everyone including infants. Variety will be provided by by adding different vegetables and using different types of lentils. Just like you would think a sandwich every day is fine, so is this.

Eating on the floor on a mat is also standard. I don't know about sleeping, but I don't see anything wrong with it as long as the child isn't cold.

takealettermsjones · 10/09/2021 13:03

I understand others may disagree but the telling them she loves them thing is so far over the line for me I'd be taking my kid out of there straight away.

Why? I really don't understand this. Odd to begin with, but as they get to know each other?

Because for me, the childminder is just that, a childminder. They're there to provide short term childcare. My child is only in childcare a couple of days a week to start, and we intend it to end after two years. It's not a lifelong bond kind of a situation. I don't want her to get overly attached and then perceive that the person who was supposed to love her abandoned her. Which is why I chose a nursery setting rather than a small-group CM.

They're the objective reasons. Subjectively? It just doesn't sit right with me.

RedMarauder · 10/09/2021 13:07

She also said she led all children in prayer twice a day.

Shock
Helenluvsrob · 10/09/2021 13:15

Sounds fine for me. Dahl and bread is not unhealthy , it’s a basic cheap eat and beat chicken nuggets or ham sandwiches every day.

Napping together like a pile of puppies in an area that is easy to monitor abs supervise. Fine. You can’t have a cot and 3 child beds in their own rooms etc. Blanket if cold maybe.

Expression of love and hugs. Yes. Why not. My CM and daughter share a real loving bond. Daughter goes out for afternoon tea with auntie - nowt to do with me - she’s 22 now 😂. Wouldn’t have it any other way.

Helenluvsrob · 10/09/2021 13:17

Missed the lead the kids in prayer twice a day. A bit bonkers but hey they went to a c of e school so it’s the same 😂. They had a “ k
Let us pray “ reflex where they sit and close their eyes😂😂

PatchworkElmer · 10/09/2021 13:21

Not normal. Keep looking.

Megan2018 · 10/09/2021 13:24

Sleeping on the floor is normal, at my nursery there are no cots, just floor mats for all ages.
But the rest is a bit weird.

Lockdownbear · 10/09/2021 13:26

It wouldn't be my choice.

My LOs nursery used mats but each child had a box with their sheet and blanket which were all washed at the end of the week.

The food sounds very limited and lazy.

I think I'd keep looking.

N4ish · 10/09/2021 13:28

I'd be fine with all of this apart from the no blankets and the food part which sounds restrictive. Children that age should be offered all kinds of food so they get used to different textures and flavours.

In our nursery the no high chairs thing was a safety measure. Lower smaller chairs were much safer as less chance of a child accidently being knocked over or (worse case scenario!) falling out.

Camandmitch · 10/09/2021 13:32

My dd's nursery uses mats for sleeping but the children have blankets.

The lentil thing would be a problem for my DD - she's allergic to them! So much for dhal making life easy Grin

Frazzled2207 · 10/09/2021 13:33

I visit childminders as part of my work and yeah that all sounds a bit unusual.
In terms of nap times that can def work though. At nurseries they seem to be expert at getting kids all to sleep at the same time. Mine always had a different nap schedule at nursery and it wasn’t a big deal.

Littlegoth · 10/09/2021 13:34

My 12 month old sleeps like this at nursery, and it’s working very well for him.

Littlegoth · 10/09/2021 13:35

Quote fail. My 12 month old sleeps on a mat with a blanket at nursery. They have cots too but he sleeps better on the mat there.

hookiewookie29 · 10/09/2021 13:38

Childminder here.
I use pushchairs for sleeping, or the sofa as they get bigger. I have no room for cots. The children sleep well,and no parent has ever had an issue with it.
The food thing sounds odd, however my families provide their own food so I don't really have any issues.
Telling the children you love them - if they tell me they love me then I'llsay it back. I'm extremely fond of my mindees and they never lack affection from me but I certainly wouldn't keep telling them all the time.
We all work differently, have a look around at a few others.

MauvePinkRose · 10/09/2021 13:53

I really wouldn’t be happy with sleeping on the floor, although not sure why (maybe because ds would never sleep!)

elbea · 10/09/2021 13:55

Our nursery doesn’t have cribs but each child has their own old silver cross pram that is theirs from when they start until the are old enough sleep on the floor mats. Even then they have their own blankets and mat.

I’d also not be happy with the food, it isn’t great developmentally for small children to have the same thing over and over. She should be exposing them to lots of different foods.

Notdoingthis · 10/09/2021 14:04

None of that would bother me. It's not normal, but normal for some people is putting a child in nursery full time before they are 1. Normal is not always best. This childminder sounds like they have some sensible, practical ideas.

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