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To think schools just won’t be able to stay open in the medium term

428 replies

Schoolgrand · 07/09/2021 18:13

In the medium term we are having thousands of people mixing from different households at a time of high community transmission and now we are hearing reports of an October lockdown. Aibu to think schools in their current form with no mitigation’s just can’t stay open in the medium term.

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Peteycat · 08/09/2021 10:58

"10:55HipTightOnions

Yes they do. Right up at the top you will see some have voted YANBU. 32 per cent to be exact.

Oh, now I see the problem.

You think “schools may not be able to remain open” = “I want schools to close”.

These are different things"

Nope. They will stay open regardless.

lifeinlimbo2020 · 08/09/2021 10:58

Exactly @Peteycat..... and also I probably would not bother reply to Nanny as they are relentless 🤣🤣🤯🤯🤯

HipTightOnions · 08/09/2021 11:00

And you don't know if they were poorly. Have you even considered false positives?

Confirmed by PCR.

because it's causing disruption

Really? Were you there?

lifeinlimbo2020 · 08/09/2021 11:01

@NannyAndJohn

I do think that if we want schools to stay open, the likes of restaurants, pubs, cinemas, non-essential retail etc need to be closed pretty soon. Along with restrictions on indoor mixing in general.

It's going to be a bloodbath with everything open and zero mitigations in schools. 200 deaths yesterday and that's made up of cases when schools were still off.

Omg...... 😴😴😴😴😴 a bloodbath ........ jeeez. I need to leave this thread now.
MarshaBradyo · 08/09/2021 11:02

@HipTightOnions

And you don't know if they were poorly. Have you even considered false positives?

Confirmed by PCR.

because it's causing disruption

Really? Were you there?

Aren’t they isolating? That’s the disruption I assume
FfrothiCoffi · 08/09/2021 11:04

NannyandJohn is the queen of hyperbole. ‘Bloodbath’ and ‘carnage’ make regular appearances in her posts. People would take her more seriously if she wasn’t so ridiculous.

HipTightOnions · 08/09/2021 11:04

Aren’t they isolating? That’s the disruption I assume

They have Covid. Would it be better if they were in school?

MarshaBradyo · 08/09/2021 11:06

@HipTightOnions

Aren’t they isolating? That’s the disruption I assume

They have Covid. Would it be better if they were in school?

It’s still not zero disruption even if people think nothing of it.

Some children will have Covid in school yes as often it’s asymptomatic

First round will catch some but LFT will drop and primary don’t do them

Wheresmybiscuit3 · 08/09/2021 11:08

I work in mental health. It’s was gruelling trying to help people and talk about everything they were going through with my kids (and theirs) at home.

I apparently wasn’t classed as a key worker. Didn’t matter that I was talking to people about depression, suicidal thoughts and abuse… I was told I just had to crack on.

That was the first time I’ve had my own suicidal thoughts. I still feel exhausted. I can’t do it again. If the schools close again I will push more forcefully this time.

The amount of parents contacting me for support with their children who are still suffering from the lockdowns (predominantly OCD and food related trouble) has more than doubled. That’s just my experience. I’m run an adult service and can’t help but it breaks my heart.

We can’t keep doing this to our children, or our adults… I am heartily fed up of the ‘suck it up’ brigade. There does come a time when there are no reserves left to suck it up.

Just my two pence worth.

Peteycat · 08/09/2021 11:09

They have Covid. Would it be better if they were in school?

Do they have it though, are they unwell? Or have they been tested via an unreliable piece of equipment? I know I won't be popular with everyone, but if they are displaying no symptoms then yes they should be in school.

ElvisPresleyHadABaby · 08/09/2021 11:10

@peteycat I think you ought to step away, you're clearly getting quite worked up and are making inappropriate comments to other posters.

Also notice how I used you're, not your as a contraction of you are.

3scape · 08/09/2021 11:11

Just ditch schools. Clearly the government hasn't got any fucking clue for running anything NHS, school etc. Funny how here people push more and more for schools when they're not fit for purpose but just recommend going private when the NHS is on its arse.

ElvisPresleyHadABaby · 08/09/2021 11:12

@Peteycat

They have Covid. Would it be better if they were in school?

Do they have it though, are they unwell? Or have they been tested via an unreliable piece of equipment? I know I won't be popular with everyone, but if they are displaying no symptoms then yes they should be in school.

In school so they can spread it to other kids, and teachers, and support staff, endangering them and their families? There is a reason positive cases are being kept from schools, just as kids with D&V have to stay home 48hrs after being sick, to prevent the spread to others. If the teachers start to get unwell, then the school has to close.
HipTightOnions · 08/09/2021 11:14

It’s still not zero disruption even if people think nothing of it.
Some children will have Covid in school yes as often it’s asymptomatic
First round will catch some but LFT will drop and primary don’t do them

All true, but I’m missing your point, I think.

Do you think that with no testing, isolation of contacts, masks, distancing, “bubbles”, vaccination (of older children) or extra ventilation, there will be minimal disruption, or will this lead to more disruption (because of illness) and force (some) schools to close?

ElvisPresleyHadABaby · 08/09/2021 11:14

@Peteycat

"10:55HipTightOnions

Yes they do. Right up at the top you will see some have voted YANBU. 32 per cent to be exact.

Oh, now I see the problem.

You think “schools may not be able to remain open” = “I want schools to close”.

These are different things"

Nope. They will stay open regardless.

A prime example of someone suffering from a deficiency in critical thinking. If only there were supplements.
HipTightOnions · 08/09/2021 11:15

@Peteycat

They have Covid. Would it be better if they were in school?

Do they have it though, are they unwell? Or have they been tested via an unreliable piece of equipment? I know I won't be popular with everyone, but if they are displaying no symptoms then yes they should be in school.

LFTs confirmed by PCRs, as I said above.
mumsneedwine · 08/09/2021 11:16

@Peteycat so if I have no symptoms you're happy for me to teach your child even though I've had a positive test ?

I8toys · 08/09/2021 11:27

My husband has said that he has parents evening in person next week. The madness of full corridors of adults and children mixing together.

toots111 · 08/09/2021 11:27

@FourTeaFallOut

Of course it spreads in schools. It spreads in schools even when schools are "shut down" and the 40% of key worker children go in and the other 60% are jettisoned out for another round of watch my education dissolve for a virus I'm not vulnerable to.
Absolutely. The reality of another lockdown is MY children have to sacrifice whilst 40%+ kids don’t have to. And actually that number will be even greater if there is another one as parents who didn’t take the piss before re key worker status will send their kids in this time. My son was one of 5 kids out of 30 who didn’t get to go in last time. How is that fair? And how does that stop the spread? He’s had Covid. He is less likely than others to have it and spread it around.
toots111 · 08/09/2021 11:28

But why is this more madness than people going to the theatre? Or festivals? Or the football?

toots111 · 08/09/2021 11:28

Sorry that was about the parents evening comment.

LegendaryReady · 08/09/2021 11:29

@I8toys

My husband has said that he has parents evening in person next week. The madness of full corridors of adults and children mixing together.
Especially when it actually works better for everyone remotely.
I8toys · 08/09/2021 11:29

Because its unnecessary - it can be held by zoom and is more effective time wise.

MarshaBradyo · 08/09/2021 11:38

[quote mumsneedwine]@Peteycat so if I have no symptoms you're happy for me to teach your child even though I've had a positive test ?[/quote]
I know you’re asking pp but are you still doing LFT? Are all teachers or will you decide to

Getawaywithit · 08/09/2021 11:39

They can have the same education but there is a risk to that and a parent has to weigh up that risk. In the same way they would have to weigh up a tonne of other risks about what is safe for that child. If in a school of 1000 children are we really saying all of those should miss school for 2 months in a lockdown to protect that one child? Surely we should be looking at how can we support and educate that child without stopping 999 other kids getting an education and 999 other families not being able to work

We can support and educate my child be recognising that him - and the others with his condition in his school, as well as all the other kids who are affected (it will never be just 1/1000) - require some basic mitigations in place to keep them in school as safely as possible. That is all that has been asked. Apparently, their mental health, their rights to the same education as their peers is unimportant. That's basic discrimination: people with conditions/situations they didn't ask for and can do nothing about being excluded from the mainstream because of those conditions. It's beyond disgusting to even suggest it.

The kids have done their bit and we'll done to them. Enough is enough. Thankfully, this argument is over now because schools don't have mitigations in place

You really are ridiculous. Schools are not comprised only of children. You require adults to keep schools open. Adults who are now working with a wholly unvaccinated population and absolutely no mitigations in place to try and keep them safe. We know the delta variation is passing without any trouble at all between double-vaccinated adults. It will be impossible to avoid school closures. Utterly ridiculous to think otherwise.