To think schools just won’t be able to stay open in the medium term

[Schoolgrand]

In the medium term we are having thousands of people mixing from different households at a time of high community transmission and now we are hearing reports of an October lockdown. Aibu to think schools in their current form with no mitigation’s just can’t stay open in the medium term.

Stop reporting every single figure and accept it's going to sweep through the population.

Ok, so to return to the question in the OP, will schools be able stay open while it is sweeping through, do you think?

@FfrothiCoffi

Ironically, my own DH was a kid in West Belfast during the Troubles and my grandad's primary schooling coincided with WW2. They're both fully capable of understanding how children as a cohort have suffered in the last 18 months. My grandad felt particularly strongly about the disgusting state of affairs in the first lockdown when playgrounds were closed. Even during the war him and his mates could play out

My grandma lived through the Second World War as a child, she was 6 when it started. She then had a career working with young children for 50 years. She is of the opinion that lockdown is far worse for children’s development than the war years were. Obviously that’s just an anecdote, but she feels really strongly about it.

Exactly.

We have a Cohort of children who will be sitting A levels next year whose last official exams/test were their Yr 6 SATS.

So not only are they dealing with the pressure of in person/online learning and the stress of actually sitting the exam.

Schools need to be in and open for in person learning.

I do think that if we want schools to stay open, the likes of restaurants, pubs, cinemas, non-essential retail etc need to be closed pretty soon. Along with restrictions on indoor mixing in general.

It's going to be a bloodbath with everything open and zero mitigations in schools. 200 deaths yesterday and that's made up of cases when schools were still off.

It spreads everywhere. What do you want, to shut everywhere again?

No, no one wants this. I was responding to a poster who told us it doesn’t spread in schools.

(You do like to twist what people say, don’t you?)

@Peteycat

10:11BroccoliFloret

"I won't be slating you @Peteycat, I don't test my kids either. If they have symptoms obviously I'd get them a PCR. But not standard routine testing. DH and I don't do it either"

Thank you for that. There is literally no need to keep testing children for no reason at all. I agree with the other posters who say it's not done in primary schools. High schools have only ever advised, it's not mandatory. I think some posters get too caught up in the testing and masks and don't realise they aren't mandatory.

Not mandatory, but advised, by people much more learned and specialised than yourself, I gather. Why ignore that advice? I don't even have to ask DS to test, he just does it himself, because he's sensible and mature enough to understand that by doing so, he could prevent himself passing it on to someone who might not be so lucky.

@SuperCaliFragalistic

FFS some people sound like they enjoy this shit. No I don't think schools should close again, ever.

It's been, honestly, joyful being back in playground this week seeing the kids mixing and playing freely. The delight at being able to use play equipment that was roped off for 18 months and talk to children in other classes. Swimming lessons and school trips being discussed excitedly. Very little makes me tearful but it's been so hard for these little people and they are finally getting back their normal childhood.

People who rub their hands together at the thought of another closure disgust me.

Omg I so agree with this @SuperCaliFragalistic I can't bare any more and it's making me quite angry 😡 😮 I'm usually very chilled and yes I do totally care for anyone I know who is vulnerable but they also feel the same now. Life is too short for this shit to carry on.

@ElvisPresleyHadABaby so when does testing stop? When there’s zero covid? Testing a 6 year old every other day is not conscientious. It’s abusive.

These kids are just fodder aren’t they. No one gives a shit about the therapy they will need later in life or the mental health issues they will develop around illness and socialising. So long as you can feel good about yourself and post on social media about how you’re personally stopping covid

Of course it spreads in schools. It spreads in schools even when schools are "shut down" and the 40% of key worker children go in and the other 60% are jettisoned out for another round of watch my education dissolve for a virus I'm not vulnerable to.

Elvis Presley had a baby.

I couldn't care less if your child is okay with testing. Not all children are. I ignore the advice on testing children who are healthy because it's Utter bollocks.

@FourTeaFallOut

Of course it spreads in schools. It spreads in schools even when schools are "shut down" and the 40% of key worker children go in and the other 60% are jettisoned out for another round of watch my education dissolve for a virus I'm not vulnerable to.

Yup...

@Peteycat

10:38NannyAndJohn

"I do think that if we want schools to stay open, the likes of restaurants, pubs, cinemas, non-essential retail etc need to be closed pretty soon. Along with restrictions on indoor mixing in general.

It's going to be a bloodbath with everything open and zero mitigations in schools. 200 deaths yesterday and that's made up of cases when schools were still off"

Oh my goodness not you again. How did you get here. A bloodbath? You are off your head mate. Stop scaring people with your bullshit.

You drive me up the wall with your obsession with locking down. Why don't you just fuck off and lock up yourself. Preferably without an Internet connection.

I'm sorry for wanting to keep schools open.

Lifeinlimbo2020

Omg I so agree with this @SuperCaliFragalistic I can't bare any more and it's making me quite angry 😡 😮 I'm usually very chilled and yes I do totally care for anyone I know who is vulnerable but they also feel the same now. Life is too short for this shit to carry on.

Seriously you will come across so many negative posters on here, it's like they enjoy restrictions. They will tell you it's because they care oh so much more than us. However they are too stupid to look further than covid to see how the real devastation pans out with the aftermath of a lockdown.

I ignore the advice on testing children who are healthy because it's Utter bollocks.

Our testing at school last week found 13 cases. Is that bollocks?

Nanny and John, you don't want to. You are talking about shutting everything else! Honestly, your on every thread dooming it up. Go outside and enjoy the bloody sunshine today. Might lift you up a bit.

10:46HipTightOnions

I ignore the advice on testing children who are healthy because it's Utter bollocks.

Our testing at school last week found 13 cases. Is that bollocks?

Ooh out of how many kids 1000??!

NannyandJohn is like the Candyman, just look in a mirror and say covid three times.

We're those children unwell?

However they are too stupid

Have you read the thread, or even the OP?

No one wants schools to close.

"47FourTeaFallOut

NannyandJohn is like the Candyman, just look in a mirror and say covid three times"

Well that certainly gave me a laugh!

Yes they do. Right up at the top you will see some have voted YANBU. 32 per cent to be exact.

Ooh out of how many kids 1000??!

More than that.

We're those children unwell?

I don’t know.

It does at least mean those children won’t have spent this week in close contact with hundreds of others though.

(Or sneezing throughout my lessons as several of my students have been.)

Or they pretend they don't want school closed, but then just sneak in stipulations like testing and masks. So it's on their terms.

Yes they do. Right up at the top you will see some have voted YANBU. 32 per cent to be exact.

Oh, now I see the problem.

You think “schools may not be able to remain open” = “I want schools to close”.

These are different things.

"10:53HipTightOnions

Ooh out of how many kids 1000??!

More than that"

So exactly my point. That's not alot at all out of over 1000 kids.

And you don't know if they were poorly. Have you even considered false positives?

This is what I'm saying, we have to move away from constant testing because it's causing disruption and its just not as clear cut as you think.