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To think schools just won’t be able to stay open in the medium term

428 replies

Schoolgrand · 07/09/2021 18:13

In the medium term we are having thousands of people mixing from different households at a time of high community transmission and now we are hearing reports of an October lockdown. Aibu to think schools in their current form with no mitigation’s just can’t stay open in the medium term.

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ExceptionalAssurance · 09/09/2021 09:21

Take your own advice maybe?

The time to try this response was before you'd blatantly misunderstood the content of a post and then made several more trying to cover rather than just admit it.

herecomesthsun · 09/09/2021 10:28

@ExceptionalAssurance

Take your own advice maybe?

The time to try this response was before you'd blatantly misunderstood the content of a post and then made several more trying to cover rather than just admit it.

I made a reasonable response.... you keep digging the hole don't you?
FfrothiCoffi · 09/09/2021 10:29

@herecomesthsun and @ExceptionalAssurance sound like my 7 and 6 year olds having an argument Grin

herecomesthsun · 09/09/2021 10:34

Lol, I;m just making sympathetic comments to teachers, no idea why they are attacking me!

gingercatsparky · 09/09/2021 10:52

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]**@FfrothiCoffi* yes a few weeks, less than 5% of their entire in person* school education to save thousands of lives. It’s not really a huge sacrifice to make.[/quote]
We have no idea it saved thousands of lives and will never know. We don't shut down for weeks on end every year for the flu to potentially save thousands of lives there too. What's the difference? It's not just education either, this has damaged social skills/ mental health and the economy keeping kids off school. I think we need to muddle on now no matter what.

XelaM · 09/09/2021 10:55

My daughter's school tests everyone at least once a week. I know it's not a 100% fool-proof, but it's a way to alleviate risk

ExceptionalAssurance · 09/09/2021 10:56

You really didn't herecomesthesun. It was a pro teacher post, evidently misunderstood by the poster you felt moved to 'clarify' and yet you still don't get that even now.

herecomesthsun · 09/09/2021 11:17

I think they felt that the "pro" bit was rather grudging? you seemed not to understand the sentiment? and are still arguing about it? even now?

herecomesthsun · 09/09/2021 11:19

There is quite a skill to supporting people in such a way that you exasperate them Smile

ExceptionalAssurance · 09/09/2021 11:22

@herecomesthsun

I think they felt that the "pro" bit was rather grudging? you seemed not to understand the sentiment? and are still arguing about it? even now?
I think they missed the asymptomatic part, which is why they stopped arguing once that was pointed out. The poster concerned was evidently having a bit of an afternoon of it, given their other responses.

As for still arguing, you're not in the ideal position to be talking about someone doing that...

herecomesthsun · 09/09/2021 11:24

Me? I'm not arguing Smile

ExceptionalAssurance · 09/09/2021 11:25

@herecomesthsun

Me? I'm not arguing Smile
Nor am I then Wink
Peteycat · 09/09/2021 12:23

@ExceptionalAssurance
Sigh. I've had this on a few threads with Herecomesthesun. Unfortunately they try and bully their points across on threads. Can't seem to leave posters alone if they have opposing views.

herecomesthsun · 09/09/2021 12:42

Me? I'm not bullying anyone.

herecomesthsun · 09/09/2021 12:45

Though I do have passionately held views about the importance of education Smile

MrsMattMurdock · 09/09/2021 12:58

@gingercatsparky

  1. All kids have a flu vaccine
  2. Flu has a lower mortality rate
  3. Long covid?

Not saying I want the schools shut either but that is a false comparison. I do think schools will shut though when sufficient staff test positive; can't see an alternative

RubySlippers123 · 10/09/2021 04:34

@toots111

If they stop my kids from going to school again I will take my kids to Downing Street and let Boris look after them. My kids have been out of school too much over the last 18 months. They have isolated multiple times. And they have had Covid with literally not a single symptom. They have done everything that has been asked of them for a virus that has no impact on them. I am not a key worker and my young kids have to basically look after themselves whilst I work a really stressful job full time from home. It is not fair, not acceptable, that they have to sacrifice any more.
This!
RubySlippers123 · 10/09/2021 04:37

Comedycook
If they stop my kids from going to school again I will take my kids to Downing Street and let Boris look after them

I'll join you.
Great I will be organising a ‘million kid March’ on Westminster if they shut schools again.

Let's do it! 🙌!

gingercatsparky · 11/09/2021 17:05

[quote MrsMattMurdock]@gingercatsparky

  1. All kids have a flu vaccine
  2. Flu has a lower mortality rate
  3. Long covid?

Not saying I want the schools shut either but that is a false comparison. I do think schools will shut though when sufficient staff test positive; can't see an alternative[/quote]
It's likely most will have the COVID vaccination too. We accepted the flu as a regular vaccination why not this?
The % who get long covid is minuscule, shall we shut schools just in case? No!
The morality rate is also tiny- more likely to die on the way to school. Should we shut the school down for that? No!

It's absolutely crazy to have that attitude. We can't shut schools dish continuously on what ifs and based on minuscule chances.

MrsMattMurdock · 11/09/2021 22:35

I just meant when enough staff are isolating schools will have to shut, as they physically won't have any teachers left that's all. As an aside I'm all up for kids having the covid vaccine at a younger age. It's just not happening yet, and although long covid has a small percentage of sufferers when you multiply that at a population level obviously that's many thousands of people. It's a shame to deliberately force suffering on kids but apparently we're fine with it and the government didn't bother to plan for any other mitigations. So here we are.

Peteycat · 11/09/2021 22:54

No one is deliberately forcing children to suffer as you so dramatically write. Honestly how absurd.

MrsMattMurdock · 12/09/2021 08:29

It's just an opinion- if I let my kids play out all day in the blazing sun without putting sunscreen on even though I knew it would help prevent sunburn, and they consequently had several days of sunburn, I would regard that as me forcing them to suffer. The government has taken no steps whatsoever to mitigate spread in primaries in particular, despite knowing the risks (small, but serious, and as per my previous post, when multiplied on a population level, impacting on thousands of kids). I see this as a similarly neglectful approach. I bet you if kids had the vote things would be different! Again, I do not want schools to close but the whole approach stinks of the usual British mediocrity, back of a fag packet, cheapskate response to frankly any public health issue.

gingercatsparky · 12/09/2021 08:38

@MrsMattMurdock

I just meant when enough staff are isolating schools will have to shut, as they physically won't have any teachers left that's all. As an aside I'm all up for kids having the covid vaccine at a younger age. It's just not happening yet, and although long covid has a small percentage of sufferers when you multiply that at a population level obviously that's many thousands of people. It's a shame to deliberately force suffering on kids but apparently we're fine with it and the government didn't bother to plan for any other mitigations. So here we are.
My dcs school put into place lots of things to help reduce the spread and safeguard pupils. But they need to function as a school and there is only so much they can do. There are too many children and not enough teachers/classrooms or facilities to put much more in place. Personally I wouldn't want them to have. I was very nervous sending my dd back to start with as she was one of the first to go back in year 1. I thought the things they put in place might not work but then I thought it through properly, read the statistics and realised I was being silly.

If my dcs are suffering they are doing it at the place they love the most (their words) with massive smiles on their faces and having lots of fun doing it.

itsgettingwierd · 12/09/2021 08:54

I don't think schools will close due to a lockdown.

I do worry they'll close due to staff shortages if too many people catch it at once.

I hope most people won't catch it now due to jabs and/or previous natural immunity.

But I'm so suspicious of this government due to their attitude towards education I think they'll let schools close naturally due to staff shift ages, blame the schools and then blame the teaching staff for "not taking precautions "

There was a narrative last year they tried to get out that covid wasn't spreading in schools but teaching staff were catching it outside eod school due to their behaviour. (At that time it was 6 inside and you had 1200 in schools Hmm). Plus teaching staff should be allowed to follow the same restrictions (or now lack of!) as everyone else if they government thinks it's safe for the general public.

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