If you start work at 9 am, is it OK to walk through the door at 9 am ?

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Or is that a bit ' late ' ?

I'd consider pushing the button that turns my PC on is work.

Obviously, many Gentiles may see it from a different perspective, but Orthodox Jews definitely consider it work to switch on a PC or a light or similar, and will therefore consider such tasks strictly forbidden for them to do during Sabbath.

I enjoy my current role and have a mutually respectful relationship with my manager. I'm always in early and am happy to work late when required. Often finish early on a Friday as a result. My colleagues and I treat each other like the skilled, hard working professional adults we are.

Previous role I had a micromanager who "pulled" me once about minor lateness and multiple other tiny, petty, pointless issues. So I worked to rule, turned up on the dot of 9, always took exactly half an hour for lunch, left bang on 5, no flexibility, no respect, no staying late. That's what a micromanagement, presenteeism culture creates.

However working shifts you turn up 10 minutes early so the previous shift can get off on time. Otherwise it's a piss take.

My manager's view is that he doesn't give a shit what time people turn up as long as the work is done on time and done well. Many a day I've swanned in half an hour late but worked several hours past my contracted finish time - as I'm given autonomy to get the work done and treated like an adult, I'm far more inclined to put the work in. Another guy whose contracted hours are 9-5 usually fucks off at 3:30 on a Friday, but is usually at his desk and working by about 7:30 to miss the rush hour traffic, so why would any reasonable person take issue with him finishing early?

That said, I'm not client-facing and me turning up at 8am or 9am or 10am (unless I have meetings) doesn't really affect anyone else.

Also, re the OP's question ... @mmhhhkkkk I agree with the posters saying it is quite job dependent. Some jobs take 10 minutes of preparation, and a 'handover' with other staff (like Maccie D's and Travelodge etc.) But with other jobs like low to medium level admin/clerk etc, it may be fine to just come in at 9am. As long as you start straight away.

I used to have an office job that was very strict 9-5, very old fashioned. I used to arrive at 9:02 due to train times, starting work around 9:10 I guess. Affected absolutely no one, and I stayed at least an hour late every day when most of the building was gone home. I would've been very unimpressed if a fuss was made over ten minutes.

I frequently work till 7pm at night. If I was called up on being 10 mins late to sit down at my computer in the morning I'd start leaving at 5 on the dot.

Well if I’m expected to observe something as petty as that, I would also leave on the dot - which never, ever happens, or I would never check my emails on weekends. Obviously depends on your kind of job, saying is a pisstake without any background is just silly.

It’s on time as long as you go straight to your desk and sit down

Not start making your way to hang up coat etc

When I was still teaching, morning briefing at 8.40, anyone not on site by about 8.15 got the Head's beady eye!

I walk in the door at 9, trains and drop-offs mean I can't physically get there any earlier. Thankfully my employers understand that their staff are human beings and not robots. My hours are 9-5 with an hour for lunch but I usually only take half an hour for lunch and rarely leave before 5.15 so I think they get more than their money's worth from me!

When I started work at 9am, I was there for 8.30 and started work, (NHS).

It entirely depends on the job. If there's an element of flexibility, so you could choose to start a bit earlier or later as long as you work the correct number of hours (or get the work done), that's absolutely fine. In other workplaces it would be late if you're not ready to start work immediately at 9am. I don't think anyone can really answer without knowing more about the job....

At my work it’s not as cut and dried as you don’t have a fixed start and finish time, only a number of contracted hours (for most roles). However if you had a meeting you’d have to be there and ready to start at that time, not walking through the door! So I guess the same applies.

Surely it is entirely role and sector dependent?

I work on customer services in a supermarket, my start time is the time at which I need to be at the desk and ready to serve customers, not the time at which I'm strolling in the staff entrance, still needing to hang up my coat, clock in and head out to the shop floor. Additionally, if I am working second or third shift my start time is more than likely going to be someone else's finishing time so if I'm strolling to the desk at 5.10pm then the person who was supposed to finish at 5pm has had to stay 10 minutes late.

I use public transport so I tend to arrive at the store about 20 minutes before my start time, which is perfect for me as it gives me time to get in the building, hang up my coat and put my bag in my locker, change into my uniform if necessary (eg if it is particularly wet/hot then I don't want to have to work in damp/sweaty uniform so bring it to change into), nip to the loo and then have a chit chat in the canteen with all my colleagues who are on break before I go down, clock in and start work.

The way our system works that I am paid from the second I clock in until the second I clock out, but to get to the clock in machine I have to walk in the staff door, go upstairs, through the staff area, go back downstairs and it is located just inside the door to the shop floor. It would be very obvious if someone came in, clocked in and then went back into the staff area to get ready and they would be pulled into the office as you are not supposed to clock in until you are ready to work.

Most of us are pretty flexible though - we all aim to clock in a couple of minutes early so that we have time to walk to our station, have a quick handover if necessary (not needed on checkouts but needed at the CSD) and the person you are releasing can be out of the door at 5.02.

I need to be logged on at 9am which is my shift start time or I'm late. And I don't do being late as I'm not losing my commission!
I usually arrive 10-15 mins before to set up my systems

Thankfully I work in an environment that's task-based not hours-based. I can come in at my start time, get a coffee, chat to whoever I see on the way and plan my day while maybe having a bit more of a chat to those around me. And no-one cares, because we're all grown ups who are trusted to get our work done (and we do, else it would show) so don't need to be micromanaged by petty clock-watchers.

In my previous office jobs it was fine to walk through the door at 9am the card would check you in as in time. I had a job once where they started counting my working hours the moment I left the house for commute. So typically +2h on top daily. Bottom line depends on what you do and where.

If you had to clock in and out then anything outside 9-5 would be overtime (paid or not). If you are paid hourly rather than salaried then work starts at nine and if you have to get there earlier you get paid accordingly

Should add I am salaried but it's a contact centre so everything is timed and a minute late is late. You get used to it

I always got to work at least 15 minutes before start time and stayed 10 minutes after finishing.
Now I'm old and don't care, I arrive dot on time and leave dot on time,regardless of what is happening around me.

Teacher. Starting time, staff meeting 8:15, followed immediately by tutor group, then classes at 9 - straight into 5-hour long classes. Always in before 7.30, to get resources sorted, turn on computer and heat pump, squash the cockroaches in the store cupboard, read and answer emails, do photocopying, line up everything needed for each class, enter marks in database from last night's marking marathon, chat with those few little strays who arrive early to spend time with "Miss" in the safety of the classroom, have coffee and wee, as there will be no opportunity until 11.00, which is break time -and on duty for that 15 mins anyway. So no, arriving bang on time is not an option.

the big boss disappears, says she is at another office, or sometimes doesnt even say where she is, and has a lot of time WFM

i think people who come in early and act the martyr for doing so are very annoying.

If you are paid from 9am you should be ready to start work at 9am. Ie turn on pc. If the job involves seeing customers or taking phone calls dead on 9am then they need to have you start at 855 and pay accordingly.
If you need 10 minutes to hand over then those starting and finishing times should overlap with all employees being paid for their time.

It's worth employers who pay minimum wage giving consideration to this because if the extra time takes the employee to below minimum wage they could find themselves in a tribunal.

I value my time so I will start and end when I should unless I choose to give my time freely but I work bloody hard and ensure that my employer gets good value for their money.
I'm amazed that so many people willingly allow employers to take the piss.

Ready to start at 9 IMO