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Walked between caravans

347 replies

Tevion28 · 05/09/2021 01:09

Hi currently staying on in my friends holiday home and me and dp wanted to walk down to the river and took a quick route between 2 caravans and a lady came out and shouted very aggressivly do not walk between the caravans and slammed her door shut so was we in the wrong.

OP posts:
Michellelovesizzy · 06/09/2021 21:01

Yeah it's not the done thing x

Awomanwalksintoabar · 06/09/2021 21:16

@GetOffThatPhone

This was rumoured to be the title of the sequel to the Kevin Costner classic "Dances with Wolves"
This is actual hilarious. Thanks @GetOffThatPhone, you’ve made my day.
Mammyofonlyone · 06/09/2021 21:24

@PyongyangKipperbang

But it isnt their garden!!

If it was then it would be fenced off and private. Its a field with no designated "your bit, my bit" going on, so why on earth would the OP think for one second that a bit of grass that looks like all the other bits of grass, is off limits?

Choosing to spend stupid amounts of money on a temporary dwelling with service charges on top is your choice, it doesnt actually buy you rights to any land! Its said often on here "You dont own the road...." well there you are!

Agree
longtompot · 06/09/2021 21:39

@WithLoveFromMyselfToYourself

We had some people walk between our tent and our family members tent next to us when we were camping a few years ago. We had set it up to be clearly a joint hangout area and yet a few people felt it was ok to walk between with their washing up up to four times a say. It was annoying as our privacy felt invaded (as much privacy as you can have when camping) and it set my dog off every time. In the end we just put up some wind breaks to block the non path off. They only had to follow the actual path past my relatives tent and they would have been at the same point.

^ - it depends how much place you are commandeering for your clan gathering. We’ve done a lot of camping and just because you are in a big group it doesn’t entitle you to annex the land between and around the pitches of your chums/ family. It can feel quite intimidating for other campers and make access to common facilities more difficult.
Twice I’ve seen these enclaves set up to deliberately incorporate wooden picnic tables and benches provided for communal use by the site; as in in the middle of a fucking circle of wagons in the style of the California land rush complete with fuck-off windbreaks.

That is not on.

Three tents in a row, with the space between the tents the legal limit you are meant to have between them for fire risks. We didn't use any of the camp sites tables or chairs or anything, just a windbreak across the gap just between two of the tents to stop people walking through. It wasn't stopping anyone from getting to any facilities as like I said they just had to follow the path past my relatives tent and they would be at the same place.
Megansmumsie · 06/09/2021 22:01

Personally, as someone who grew up with a caravan in the family and then owned one myself, no. What you did, walking between the vans was absolutely fine. That's how must people walk around a campsite, kids plays around a campsite, navigate from one area of the park to another etc.

Had they been in a little cordoned off area, a strip without any other vans behind it or a corner plot, I'd have agreed as there's would be classed more as a garden but from what you said this was just walking between 2 vans which sounds absolutely fine to me.

UndertheCedartree · 06/09/2021 23:11

@Globaluser

I would never ever have thought the area AROUND the caravan is owned by the caravan owner. And that it’s someone’s “garden” unless it clearly looked like a garden e.g garden furniture, plant pots, etc.
That's what most look like at our caravan park. People sit and relax in them.
WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 06/09/2021 23:18

I’ll probably regret coming back to comment (although I have RTFT), but I’m open-mouthed at some of the nastiness on here, from people trying to put others in their place and determined to deliberately make them feel uncomfortable, just 'because I can and it isn't against the law so you can't stop me'. Credit to those who didn't think about it and have now adapted their behaviour, but all of those basically saying "Yeah, you show her who's boss"....

There’s also a lot of unveiled snobbery against these ‘caravan folk’ who (maybe) can’t afford to have a holiday in bricks and mortar accommodation, but would quite like to enjoy the holiday that does work for them and their budget – it reminds me of an Enid Blyton story, where everybody talks in hushed towns about ‘those circus people’ as shorthand for low-income, good-for-nothing ‘scum’.

As for my analogy about large men following you down the street being supposedly nothing like people coming close to your caravan; maybe hanging around in groups, maybe at night, maybe talking loudly – you do realise that the Bank of England doesn’t choose to store its gold reserves in static caravans, don’t you? My point is that, in both scenarios, you don’t know people’s intentions. If a group of men up to no good wanted to gain access to a woman, do you really think they’d be thwarted by a thin little caravan door/wall? The vast majority of people walking past will have none of these intentions whatsoever – just like the men innocently walking down the pavement on their way home or to the pub - but the issue is that you do not know somebody’s intentions when they purposely encroach on your privacy.

It’s nothing at all like the annoying CF parkers who claim a very in-demand space on the public road outside their house as exclusively theirs and shout at others who park there. I’m the first to find and declare these people outrageous. This scenario is like deliberately parking outside number 15, when there are always plenty of empty spaces along the road, and then walking back to your home at 136 – just to one-up the elderly (maybe a bit grumpy) person who lives there. Maybe it’s all their own ‘fault’ for being elderly and much less able to walk the length of the street as easily as you can?

We've said that we'll get ourselves a couple of windbreaks to mark off our own plot for next time we're off in the caravan

Personally I’d get DH to mark out what you think is your territory just the way dogs do. No one would want to come near you and you’d never have to worry about the windbreaks blowing away.

Charming and, again, snobbishly dismissive. It’s not what I think is my territory – as a PP said, it’s part of the 10m x 10m (or whatever size) pitch that we’ve paid for. Our main concerns are about children running/cycling/scooting through, close by to the caravan and car, and scratching one of them, knocking our clothes airer into the mud, disconnecting our water and, by far the most importantly, tripping over a trailing electrical cable and braining themselves on the hard ground. Apart from obviously not wanting a child to be hurt, you just know that the parent would be one of the aggressive, entitled sorts on this thread coming over angrily and blaming us for their child not being taught basic manners. For the avoidance of any doubt, if we book a caravan pitch with hook-up, we very much expressly DO have the full entitlement to trail a cable between the electric mains stake and our caravan, on the full pitch that we have rented for the night/week.

Fair enough then, if you personally wouldn't feel even a little bit on edge if people were standing right outside your window and talking - maybe in the middle of the night.

The OP walked past the caravan in the daytime. She did not stand around and have a conversation in the middle of the night.

No, she didn’t – but some people DO do that. Do you think they’re from the group that respect other people’s personal space as a matter of course or those who don’t care? If people set a precedent that they can freely walk up close past strangers’ caravans, they’re highly unlikely to suddenly think again when it’s dark.

I equally got screamed at at a car boot sale once for walking between stalls . It was bloody frightening

Over the top reaction but yes again you were rude and totally in the wrong. The stall holders bag, keys, money tin etc would be behind their stall and you should have stuck to the path

Yes, they probably shouldn’t have screamed (although it might have been deliberate to alert others around that you were there - like with a burglar alarm), but car boot sales are a scorching hotbed of thieves and chancers, alongside all of the normal, decent buyers and sellers.

As well as the above points, most of the people will have their car boots open (or at least the car unlocked) throughout. If somebody goes behind your table to near where your car is, there’s a very good chance that they’re up to no good. I’m in no way saying that your motives are anything but innocent, but for a very high proportion of people who do that, it will indeed be the case that they’re looking for what they can steal.

There’s a perverted way of thinking that a sizeable minority of CBS visitors hold, that anything in a stallholder’s boot/car is up for grabs (even if it’s your child seat, Asda shopping you bought on the way, camping chairs, whatever) – and if you don’t ‘bother’ to watch them like a hawk and stop them from helping themselves or tell them what price you want (unlikely if the item is clearly not for sale), you ‘deserve’ to have them just take it and run off – you’re ‘asking’ for it..

Seems petty, not that I stay in caravans

One of the most revealing comments on the whole thread, for a number of reasons.

UndertheCedartree · 06/09/2021 23:18

@MidsummerMimi - where I am there is a static caravan most have verandahs that take up a good chunk of the outside space, then an area of grass next to that. Ours is tiled at the end nearest the river to make a patio. The boundary of the 'garden' is the next caravan. Everyone has pots and lighting etc in this area. There are plenty of paths for walking anywhere. Obviously other places may have a different set up. But here those in the know don't walk through other people's garden!

UndertheCedartree · 06/09/2021 23:22

Just to add luckily as my caravan is right on the river noone would walk through my garden area. I can understand it being annoying if people do, on the other hand if it was holiday makers who were making an innocent mistake I wouldn't get het up about it - certainly wouldn't shout at anyone!

Hopeisamyth · 06/09/2021 23:28

I've always walked through the caravans.Never been an issue.
I would have done the same. 🤷‍♀️

UndertheCedartree · 06/09/2021 23:30

Also @WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll - is quite right. When you book a pitch for a tent or tourer you have rented the whole pitch and people should not be walking through as it is dangerous especially for a kid who could trip on a guy rope or on a cable.

AlwaysLatte · 06/09/2021 23:32

She sounds unhinged

UndertheCedartree · 06/09/2021 23:33

@Hopeisamyth - I'm wondering if the difference is between a park where most vans are just rented out for a weekend/week vs. a park where most people own the caravans and therefore 'put roots down' in the form of their gardens?

FlyingSoHigh · 06/09/2021 23:57

YABU - it's just not the polite thing to do on a caravan site. People view their pitches as their homes - and you'd never walk through someone's garden to access a river.

Explosivefarts · 07/09/2021 00:03

@AlwaysLatte

She sounds unhinged
Exactly
MurielSpriggs · 07/09/2021 00:45

No problem at all walking between caravans, she sounds deranged.

SkiingIsHeaven · 07/09/2021 07:21

@MidsummerMimi

Seems like a rule that is universally understood by the static caravan people, but not obvious to others. Do you actually get a defined zone around your caravan? Do you have legal rights to this area and to the spaces between the caravans? Is this clearly marked? Is there obvious signage to prevent accident trespass? I would like to be sure that I had addressed all the above, before I committed a crimsl offence, by verbally abusing members of the general public.
I take it you are the type of person who insisted on having "contains eggs" printed on boxes of egg.

Why can't people use their brains rather than asking for signs to tell them what to do. Then if there are no signs having a stupid accident and blame everyone but themselves.

Hopeisamyth · 07/09/2021 07:27

@UndertheCedartree yes it probably is tbf. My caravan holidays have always been a rented van, so Im among other renters but earlier this year my van was definitely among private vans too.The difference was very clearly defined with their obvious garden areas though.

190190tnt · 07/09/2021 08:06

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

I’ll probably regret coming back to comment (although I have RTFT), but I’m open-mouthed at some of the nastiness on here, from people trying to put others in their place and determined to deliberately make them feel uncomfortable, just 'because I can and it isn't against the law so you can't stop me'. Credit to those who didn't think about it and have now adapted their behaviour, but all of those basically saying "Yeah, you show her who's boss"....

There’s also a lot of unveiled snobbery against these ‘caravan folk’ who (maybe) can’t afford to have a holiday in bricks and mortar accommodation, but would quite like to enjoy the holiday that does work for them and their budget – it reminds me of an Enid Blyton story, where everybody talks in hushed towns about ‘those circus people’ as shorthand for low-income, good-for-nothing ‘scum’.

As for my analogy about large men following you down the street being supposedly nothing like people coming close to your caravan; maybe hanging around in groups, maybe at night, maybe talking loudly – you do realise that the Bank of England doesn’t choose to store its gold reserves in static caravans, don’t you? My point is that, in both scenarios, you don’t know people’s intentions. If a group of men up to no good wanted to gain access to a woman, do you really think they’d be thwarted by a thin little caravan door/wall? The vast majority of people walking past will have none of these intentions whatsoever – just like the men innocently walking down the pavement on their way home or to the pub - but the issue is that you do not know somebody’s intentions when they purposely encroach on your privacy.

It’s nothing at all like the annoying CF parkers who claim a very in-demand space on the public road outside their house as exclusively theirs and shout at others who park there. I’m the first to find and declare these people outrageous. This scenario is like deliberately parking outside number 15, when there are always plenty of empty spaces along the road, and then walking back to your home at 136 – just to one-up the elderly (maybe a bit grumpy) person who lives there. Maybe it’s all their own ‘fault’ for being elderly and much less able to walk the length of the street as easily as you can?

We've said that we'll get ourselves a couple of windbreaks to mark off our own plot for next time we're off in the caravan

Personally I’d get DH to mark out what you think is your territory just the way dogs do. No one would want to come near you and you’d never have to worry about the windbreaks blowing away.

Charming and, again, snobbishly dismissive. It’s not what I think is my territory – as a PP said, it’s part of the 10m x 10m (or whatever size) pitch that we’ve paid for. Our main concerns are about children running/cycling/scooting through, close by to the caravan and car, and scratching one of them, knocking our clothes airer into the mud, disconnecting our water and, by far the most importantly, tripping over a trailing electrical cable and braining themselves on the hard ground. Apart from obviously not wanting a child to be hurt, you just know that the parent would be one of the aggressive, entitled sorts on this thread coming over angrily and blaming us for their child not being taught basic manners. For the avoidance of any doubt, if we book a caravan pitch with hook-up, we very much expressly DO have the full entitlement to trail a cable between the electric mains stake and our caravan, on the full pitch that we have rented for the night/week.

Fair enough then, if you personally wouldn't feel even a little bit on edge if people were standing right outside your window and talking - maybe in the middle of the night.

The OP walked past the caravan in the daytime. She did not stand around and have a conversation in the middle of the night.

No, she didn’t – but some people DO do that. Do you think they’re from the group that respect other people’s personal space as a matter of course or those who don’t care? If people set a precedent that they can freely walk up close past strangers’ caravans, they’re highly unlikely to suddenly think again when it’s dark.

I equally got screamed at at a car boot sale once for walking between stalls . It was bloody frightening

Over the top reaction but yes again you were rude and totally in the wrong. The stall holders bag, keys, money tin etc would be behind their stall and you should have stuck to the path

Yes, they probably shouldn’t have screamed (although it might have been deliberate to alert others around that you were there - like with a burglar alarm), but car boot sales are a scorching hotbed of thieves and chancers, alongside all of the normal, decent buyers and sellers.

As well as the above points, most of the people will have their car boots open (or at least the car unlocked) throughout. If somebody goes behind your table to near where your car is, there’s a very good chance that they’re up to no good. I’m in no way saying that your motives are anything but innocent, but for a very high proportion of people who do that, it will indeed be the case that they’re looking for what they can steal.

There’s a perverted way of thinking that a sizeable minority of CBS visitors hold, that anything in a stallholder’s boot/car is up for grabs (even if it’s your child seat, Asda shopping you bought on the way, camping chairs, whatever) – and if you don’t ‘bother’ to watch them like a hawk and stop them from helping themselves or tell them what price you want (unlikely if the item is clearly not for sale), you ‘deserve’ to have them just take it and run off – you’re ‘asking’ for it..

Seems petty, not that I stay in caravans

One of the most revealing comments on the whole thread, for a number of reasons.

Yes to all of this! Great post
tommyhoundmum · 07/09/2021 09:16

Just accept that some people are rude unnecessarily

Why spoil someone's holiday like that?

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FortunesFavour · 07/09/2021 09:25

Well, I think we’ve found the controversy of our times…this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but with proprietorial caravanners nutting each other with chemical toilets. This is still my favourite thread. Excellent work OP.

ConstanceGracy · 07/09/2021 09:40

This is fucking ridiculous..

MidsummerMimi · 07/09/2021 09:51

Walking between the caravans is an innocent mistake.
Using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour is an offence under The Public Order Act 1986.
Luckily, the wording of The Act is very clear, so you know exactly that verbally abusing people is “ not the done thing”.
Unfortunately the unwritten rule of not walking between caravans is not so clear, so your innocent error could result in you being verbally assaulted.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/09/2021 10:54

Just accept that some people are rude unnecessarily

Why spoil someone's holiday like that?

Are you talking from the pov of OP or the woman who felt her privacy had been ignored? Confused

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/09/2021 11:09

She shouldn't have shouted aggressively, if she did - although that's OP's interpretation and we don't have her perspective as none of us were actually there.

However, her privacy and her own space is obviously important to her. Others may not care for themselves, but it doesn't make her wrong that she does.

Going on the number of people on this thread who don't know the etiquette or don't actually care, I think it's safe to assume that OP wasn't the first person to do this.

Who among us doesn't get exasperated and maybe even angry when people seem to be constantly trying to annoy or disrespect us? If you get 10 unsolicited sales calls in one day, or 10 people in your shop trying the same trick to demand a big discount, you're likely to react far more 'assertively' towards the 10th than the 1st, even though they both did exactly the same thing independently and just once.

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