I know I am probably BU but

[beinglikedisoverrated]

Cost at moment to charge an Electric car overnight for 1 year us in excess of 3k. News today says fuel prices are going to hike. And, what happens to all the used electric batteries. Landfill? Aibu to love and want to keep my 'dirty diesel'? Ironically, diesel was supposed to be the ' cleaner fuel'.

@beinglikedisoverrated

I' didn't realize I put a week - I meant 150 ish a day - FFS

By the way - whilst you're all correcting me on my mileage, has anyone corrected me about whats going to happen to all the batteries

OP most people don't do 150 miles a day. Leaf and Tesla can do 300+miles a week on a charge. Many workplaces have free to you charging points (my work does), our staff charge for free 1-2 a week (each charge takes 2-3 hours for them to get a full charge). Even paying twice a week you are talking £17-18, how much is your weekly diesel bill.

As for the batteries they last a few years, it's not an annual expense

@Cherrysoup

Do I hear that you have to swap out electric car batteries every 3-5 years and a new one is several thousand? Also, as a pp mentioned, landfill?? I’ve had my car a long time, I’d be about £12K down if it were electric!

No it's 10-20 years dependant on the manufacturer.batteeies aren't that expensive considering the size. They do get recycled though

Hi all..
we bought our first EV in 2018.. Brand new on a PCP deal. It paid itself off within three years via savings in fuel and work mileage allowance (45p/mile).

We bought a second, older 2nd hand EV a year later because we were so impressed.

There is a LOT of misinformation around about them. I’d recommend checking out Fully Charged on YouTube to get some decent reviews and insight. However…
EV batteries are fully recyclable. There are recycling centres set up doing very little because the batteries are exceeding their expected lifespan (8years approx). My EV is a 2015 Zoe and battery capacity and performance is still as it would’ve have been new.

We probably spend £30/month on electricity for BOTH cars and we BOTH do 15-20,000 miles a year.

Servicing is £100 at a time because there’s literally nothing for them to do.. it’s a far more basic system than an ICE (internal combustion engine).

With this in mind.. bear in mind that ICE vehicles are cheaper because garages make their money up on services and mots, parts etc… I wonder why they don’t like EVs?!?!!

EVs are far cleaner than diesels even if you charge them when the grid is at its dirtiest.

They are more comfortable and smooth to drive. They are NOT silent except at very slow speed, literally crawling pace, because actually the noise of the tires on the road makes up a huge amount of noise..!

There ARE however challenges to adoption.. properties with no designated off road parking do present a problem. One solution suggested and being adopted in some parts of the country (UK) is incorporating chargers into lampposts. Our lampposts have more than enough energy fed to them to allow for this because our lighting has been ‘upgraded’ to LEDs and therefore the power needed for the lights themselves is minimal.

Public chargers rely on their owners maintaining them properly.. they take different payment types (contactless card/via an app) and some rely on you having a data connection to start it..
We’re in the early stages of the infrastructure and it’s true that it’s not ready for EVERYONE yet.. but it’s getting there and by time people gradually change over their cars over the next ten years or so, problems will be less and less.

Keeping your old dirty diesel whilst it still works is better than buying any new car just for the sake of it.. but when it does eventually get to the point of replacement you should do some research and consider electric… I think you’ll be surprised!

In the meantime.. if you drive an ICE vehicle.. PLEASE don’t park in an EV charging bay.. it really sucks. We use an app to tell us if that charger is available but it only says if a car is charging.. if we travel to that space to find it’s been ICEd (term for ICE vehicle blocking a charger) then we have to find another one which may or may not be working/in range.. PLEASE don’t be one of the problems preventing those who have adopted this technology from making use of the facilities that do exist!!

(Apologies for length!!! 🤭)

@DesdemonaDryEyes

I live in a terraced house on a busy main road.

Where can I charge my car overnight?

Same as me, and really nowhere close by where I could charge it, so an electric car simply isn’t an option for me unless things change in future.

I presume op works for Esso or no with posting such utter crap.

Do people think when people started using cars instead of horses there were loads of petrol stations or did they increase as car ownership expanded....?

You're right it will never change. It's a non-starter.

We have electric . It is very cheap to charge. You don’t need to charge it daily and it’s more economical on long distances. We don’t charge at home . But there are so many places you can charge it doesn’t matter . It can take up to an hour to get to 80% ( recommended charge - we have a large battery ) so we go shops or a park with a charger ( car tells you where they all are so do many apps)

As for landfill and batteries . Still better for the environment - batteries are recyclable and can last years - there are no other engine parts that need replacing. At the end of the day cars in general are not a great thing. But the reality is that we need them or are very used to them .

My only argument is that they should be more affordable for everyone to access . I mean much more affordable - they are currently really mostly accessible to wealthier people or better or people . Which is stupid and annoying given they are so cheap to run I think it would make life easier for those that need to run a car but can’t afford one. It is unfair.

Also -stop being weird about diesel - such a non argument - of course electric is better ( even marginally ) …

particleandfibretoxicology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12989-014-0074-0

A study about the effects of diesel particulates on the immune system, will find the one that outlines how these particulates cross the placenta during pregnancy and affect babies before they've even left the womb.

Here is one about the causation of heart disease in adult life attributed to air pollution during gestation:

particleandfibretoxicology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12989-019-0301-9

www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11654-3

Here is the study detailing how they know it crosses the placenta into unborn babies, and the health consequences that arise.

I’ve had an EV for 4 years and it doesn’t cost anything like that. It’s not more than £250 a year and we charge every night.

My great concern with this and all the other batteries for things like our smartphones/tablets is where the raw materials come from and the damage this can do to communities in these areas to secure mines, think along child soldiers, rape for people of all ages, yes that does mean very young children, and the impact on the environment in such places.

I do think that electric cars are the future but we need to be a bit more demanding in terms of better supply chains so that we are not contributing to the misery of others.

And yes our governments and businesses g tech companies are very aware of all of this.

🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🙄 Children are raped for the raw materials ev batteries! You'd have to go down a fair few David Icke style rabbit holes to get to that one.

The reason people are correcting you on your milage and the estimated cost @beinglikedisoverrated is because it seems like you are exaggerating for dramatic effect.

@TheVolturi no just the 2019 Nobel peace prize winners and their work putting children back together who have been used in the war in securing cobalt mines.

So don’t be so bloody ignorant about the suffering caused for our cars, phones etc.

If you are talking specifically about cobalt, ev manufacturers are phasing out the use of this. But it will still be used in other batteries like it always has. Your argument about it here solely against evs is a non starter. The countries that use children in the collection of cobalt will always use children for labour for other things, stopping using cobalt will not stop this. Stating that children are raped for ev batteries to be made is hysterical and ridiculous.

No it’s not hysterical it is happening and all the manufacturers know this, some are better at their supply chain knowledge than others.

As I said, you an not t against electric cars but we as consumers are being sold a bit of a lie on how green they are and we as consumers should be aware of this to demand change so that we don’t contribute to the horrors elsewhere.

So it will s not hysterical to make people aware. You called me a david ike conspiracy theorist for saying that it happens and I have pointed you in the direction of credible source so maybe do some research before calling me names and making yourself look a bit ignorant.

Mumsnutters out in force at the moment

@PlanDeRaccordement

YANBU OP

EV is not what we should be moving to. The carbon footprint of production of the EV plus the carbon footprint behind the generation of the electricity, mean it is only marginally better than a diesel with current emissions technology.

We should be moving to hydrogen cars. Much better for environment and much lower carbon footprint.

Yes definitely hydrogen. We have hydrogen buses and I’m sure that will be the next technology.

Used batteries can be sent to Tesla (even if not Tesla cars), when batteries past their life for the car, they do still contain something like 20% charge.

But what is the life of the car? A good, well-made car should last 25 years before it's ready for scrapping. A PP said 200K miles - I can't believe that they work at 100% capacity for 200K miles and only then suddenly drop to 20%.

Even if that is the case, 20% is basically useless for a functional car, unless you only ever drive around your local area - probably the kind of short journeys that many people say you should consider cycling anyway - and even then, what if you get held up in traffic or have a lengthy diversion because of roadworks or an accident?

I think a hybrid charges from some internal system? I'm furious about London emission zone, was hoping for another couple of years from my 12 year old diesel, now forced to trade in. Ecoablism at its finest, thanks sadiq

But 200k miles, you don't see many cars on the road still running well that have done that? Isn't 10k miles a year about average anyway, so 200k miles would be 20 years.
Ev cars do not use any battery sat in traffic. I sat in mine outside school yesterday with it on, with my phone plugged in it charging while I watched a movie on my phone, it didn't use any battery %.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

I'm also concerned about the decreasing in efficiency in the batteries, as happens to every type of rechargeable battery (AFAIA) in existence now. It's all very well quoting the mileage you get per charge when the battery is brand new, but what happens 2, 5, 10 years down the line, when an overnight charge gets you 25 miles?

And that's assuming they never glitch or let you down and/or start showing 'full charge' then suddenly power off after two minutes - as several phones that I've had have done?

Even if you buy one outright, with the expected lifespan of a battery, it's still going to be kind of like leasing it for its useful life, with an otherwise perfectly-working car after a few years but an expensive 'lease renewal' for the next few years with the new battery.

Ours is 8.5 years old and no degradation in the battery capacity so far. Also never had a glitch or been let down.

170 miles on a charge is absolutely nothing. My brother lived in Eastbourne ani live in the North East. Couldn’t have visited him on 170 mile charge. Then how long does it take to charge sat at a services? I’m guessing longer than filling with petrol.

DH was talking to an Amazon driver the other day. She told him she gets about 70 miles on a charge and some days doesn’t even get all her deliveries done. Fab, definitely the way forward!!

We are getting an EV. We have to get a charge point put in on the drive but we'll get a tax refund on most of the cost. Then we can run it from the solar panels on the roof - might have to put a few more on to accommodate the extra usage but the big costs of the system set up are already paid.

We got an 1% interest loan for the solar system so although the set up costs were high its paying back the loan and cutting our bills. Again, got a good tax rebate on the outlay. Have you thought about getting solar panels? Cheap power and not so much worry about the source/ impact of the electricity you're using.

We put panels on another house 12 years ago and they paid for themselves in 10 so now its just profit (not mega bucks obviously but every little helps). Its a bit of an investment but maybe the government has some schemes or rebates where you are.

I too love our diesel but I think there's some strong arguments for going EV now.