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Traumatised by being smacked

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Babyparrotdog · 02/09/2021 17:58

Sounds dramatic to some maybe but am I the only one who feels they are genuinely traumatised from being ‘smacked’ as a child? I feel so much worse about it since having my own child.

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DrSbaitso · 09/09/2021 11:58

They didn’t look forward to it.

Your mother got so pissed off with you laughing at her broken spoon that she held on to it the rest of the day to get your father to strap you.

It was not done with gusto.

The spoon broke.

DrSbaitso · 09/09/2021 12:06

And you were injured for a week.

HoppingPavlova · 09/09/2021 12:08

And if you really believe the current working population are entitled soft wingers who get stressed at a little hard graft, I suggest you spend a shift or two in a busy A&E or ICU, especially one where there is a high incidence of Covid. You will find it full of people who have never been beaten who still manage to work bloody hard in incredibly stressful conditions for hours on end.

I spent more than a shift or two in one of those two areas. Try a couple of decades. I’m glad to hear people have stepped up without the whinging and claiming stress. Trust me, we spent years training people coming through who were progressively worse on arrival. Were not used to hard graft, got stressed at the drop of a hanky, zero resilience, limited coping skills. Most could be turned around but it was tiresome that we had to put the effort in as parents and schools had failed them. Not blaming parents as such though as ‘doing that makes me feel sad’ and ‘well, no PlayStation for 30mins for you’ does that. Schools are very limited also, little Johnny who has nothing wrong with him doesn’t want to run cross country, ‘that’s fine Johnny, can we get you to do your favourite activity instead’.

HoppingPavlova · 09/09/2021 12:45

May I remind you that it was largely members of this terrible and weak new generation who attended to Covid patients during lockdown before there was a vaccine, and frequently with inadequate PPE?

I have a friend who postponed retirement due to the current environment. They are in ICU (I was in A&E) and while it is great people have stepped up they predict post crisis many will crash and not have the ability to get on with it and will leave. Hopefully they are wrong. Often the best case scenario is being wrong.

2389Champ · 09/09/2021 12:51

@HoppingPavlova

And if you really believe the current working population are entitled soft wingers who get stressed at a little hard graft, I suggest you spend a shift or two in a busy A&E or ICU, especially one where there is a high incidence of Covid. You will find it full of people who have never been beaten who still manage to work bloody hard in incredibly stressful conditions for hours on end.

I spent more than a shift or two in one of those two areas. Try a couple of decades. I’m glad to hear people have stepped up without the whinging and claiming stress. Trust me, we spent years training people coming through who were progressively worse on arrival. Were not used to hard graft, got stressed at the drop of a hanky, zero resilience, limited coping skills. Most could be turned around but it was tiresome that we had to put the effort in as parents and schools had failed them. Not blaming parents as such though as ‘doing that makes me feel sad’ and ‘well, no PlayStation for 30mins for you’ does that. Schools are very limited also, little Johnny who has nothing wrong with him doesn’t want to run cross country, ‘that’s fine Johnny, can we get you to do your favourite activity instead’.

It’s perfectly possible to bring children up to understand boundaries and gain resilience without resorting to physical violence to get the message home.

A firm no, followed by consequences of continued misbehaviour gets the message across far more than a slap. I agree you can’t reason with a screaming toddler, but by either removing them, or the trigger of the tantrum, from the scenario doesn’t take long for the child to connect cause and effect. Where we all fall down as parents is inconsistency, we all send mixed messages because we get tired, can’t be bothered etc etc.

The lack of fortitude nowadays, I think you are referring to, is more to do with parents and schools not teaching children to accept failure or that someone will sometimes be better than you rather than not experiencing physical punishment. I think we give our kids unrealistic expectations now and would do them a greater favour by giving them sensible expectations.

“You can be anything you want”
No, sorry, you can’t. You might not be tall enough, fast enough, clever enough, not in the right place at the right time, know the right people.
I can’t see how beating a child into submission makes them a better adult. Clearly, by the snapshot of replies on here it’s done almost irreparable damage to many and hasn’t made them into stronger, more resilient grown ups at all. I’m speaking from experience here too. My punishments destroyed my confidence for years and I made many poor life choices because I was too frightened and anxious to stand up to those I believed were more powerful than me.

DrSbaitso · 09/09/2021 13:09

@HoppingPavlova

And if you really believe the current working population are entitled soft wingers who get stressed at a little hard graft, I suggest you spend a shift or two in a busy A&E or ICU, especially one where there is a high incidence of Covid. You will find it full of people who have never been beaten who still manage to work bloody hard in incredibly stressful conditions for hours on end.

I spent more than a shift or two in one of those two areas. Try a couple of decades. I’m glad to hear people have stepped up without the whinging and claiming stress. Trust me, we spent years training people coming through who were progressively worse on arrival. Were not used to hard graft, got stressed at the drop of a hanky, zero resilience, limited coping skills. Most could be turned around but it was tiresome that we had to put the effort in as parents and schools had failed them. Not blaming parents as such though as ‘doing that makes me feel sad’ and ‘well, no PlayStation for 30mins for you’ does that. Schools are very limited also, little Johnny who has nothing wrong with him doesn’t want to run cross country, ‘that’s fine Johnny, can we get you to do your favourite activity instead’.

I think you've forgotten what it's like to be young. Nearly all young adults struggle in some way when they first enter the workplace. They learn and they adapt. Whatever they need, it's not a sodding childhood beating.

I'd love to hear what your superiors thought of your generation when you first started out. We know they thought you needed the crap beaten out of you long before you got there.

DrSbaitso · 09/09/2021 13:14

@HoppingPavlova

May I remind you that it was largely members of this terrible and weak new generation who attended to Covid patients during lockdown before there was a vaccine, and frequently with inadequate PPE?

I have a friend who postponed retirement due to the current environment. They are in ICU (I was in A&E) and while it is great people have stepped up they predict post crisis many will crash and not have the ability to get on with it and will leave. Hopefully they are wrong. Often the best case scenario is being wrong.

And it'll be entirely down to not being strapped and having spoons broken on them as children, will it? Nothing to do with the stress of a pandemic that is unheard of in living memory, the strains on the NHS and the way our wonderful government treats its staff?
DrSbaitso · 09/09/2021 13:27

I ask again: if the purpose of the beating was to build character and resilience rather than to correct and educate over behaviours, should I just bash my daughter up for no reason? That'll teach her how to cope with shit happening, right?

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 09/09/2021 19:43

@DrSbaitso Ironically it's being hit as a child and yelled at unexpectedly by an abusive father that's made me far less resilient than I would like because it taught me that adults are fundamentally unpredictable and you have to walk on eggshells all the time so you don't get hurt or humiliated (I will never know if some of the humiliation aspects of what my father did to me were a sexual thing for him and I suspect I never will). This is taking me years to work through in therapy.

Anon778833 · 09/09/2021 19:51

@DrSbaitso

I ask again: if the purpose of the beating was to build character and resilience rather than to correct and educate over behaviours, should I just bash my daughter up for no reason? That'll teach her how to cope with shit happening, right?

People just cannot accept that their parents were wrong sometimes.

My mum's mother was a dreadful parent who had 6 kids who were pretty much left to fend for themselves and were neglected and malnourished and emotionally abused. Yet she will say that she isn't damaged by her. How she wasn't too bad because she bought her a colouring book every now & then Confused

Whilst this wouldn't bother me ordinarily, I have the distinct feeling that she takes her shitty childhood and dumps it onto me. She should have got counselling. But no, she pretends that all is well whilst having a toxic attitude towards me.

I myself, have sought to examine my own actions as a parent and to try hard not to dump my issues onto my children.

And to accept my anger that my parents weren't great parents, not say how they were fine really then project that anger onto my children.

UnsolicitedDickPic · 09/09/2021 21:50

@Bakingtraypan You may be absolutely right, I concede that point. :)

HoppingPavlova · 15/09/2021 09:56

Ironically it's being hit as a child and yelled at unexpectedly by an abusive father that's made me far less resilient than I would like because it taught me that adults are fundamentally unpredictable and you have to walk on eggshells all the time so you don't get hurt or humiliated (I will never know if some of the humiliation aspects of what my father did to me were a sexual thing for him and I suspect I never will). This is taking me years to work through in therapy.

This is a problem and abusive. If there were clear rules and you broke them you expected to be punished. Being yelled at outside of those parameters is abusive. Being hit unexpectedly also lies outside of those parameters and is abusive.

I was never yelled at unexpectedly or hit unexpectedly. If we did something wrong then maybe we did tread on eggshells briefly waiting to find out if we had been caught. If we were we accepted the punishment - definitely not unexpected! If we were not caught we breathed a sigh of relief at getting away with it. There was also a level of predictability at home and school. When you planned your escapade you knew that if you were caught it would be worth roughly 5 hits of the belt or cane, or 3 good ones with the spoon for example. It was never a case of it was normally 5 but someone had a bad day and took that out on you and turned it into 10. That’s what many people do describe on this thread and I agree that’s abusive and like apples compared to oranges, as is telling/hitting kids for no reason and out of the blue.

Bakingtraypan · 15/09/2021 10:36

@HoppingPavlova

Ironically it's being hit as a child and yelled at unexpectedly by an abusive father that's made me far less resilient than I would like because it taught me that adults are fundamentally unpredictable and you have to walk on eggshells all the time so you don't get hurt or humiliated (I will never know if some of the humiliation aspects of what my father did to me were a sexual thing for him and I suspect I never will). This is taking me years to work through in therapy.

This is a problem and abusive. If there were clear rules and you broke them you expected to be punished. Being yelled at outside of those parameters is abusive. Being hit unexpectedly also lies outside of those parameters and is abusive.

I was never yelled at unexpectedly or hit unexpectedly. If we did something wrong then maybe we did tread on eggshells briefly waiting to find out if we had been caught. If we were we accepted the punishment - definitely not unexpected! If we were not caught we breathed a sigh of relief at getting away with it. There was also a level of predictability at home and school. When you planned your escapade you knew that if you were caught it would be worth roughly 5 hits of the belt or cane, or 3 good ones with the spoon for example. It was never a case of it was normally 5 but someone had a bad day and took that out on you and turned it into 10. That’s what many people do describe on this thread and I agree that’s abusive and like apples compared to oranges, as is telling/hitting kids for no reason and out of the blue.

Do you punish your children the same way as your parents punished you?
HoppingPavlova · 18/09/2021 16:35

Do you punish your children the same way as your parents punished you?

If you read the thread I’ve already answered that.

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