AIBU to ask how much support Pro-Life believers provide for actual children in need? Texas just banned abortion in the US.

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AIBU to ask what Pro Life 'supporters' do to actually help living children in need? Sparked by Rachel Maddow Show Podcast on MSNBC - which gives a brilliant coverage on what's going on.

PL seems to want to stop a woman's right to choose, even in instances of rape or incest. That's in Texas, US, but as we know, many of the 'trends' that start in the US migrate over here. And as we know, there are lots of Pro-Life (read anti abortion, anti women) believers over here.

So, my AIBU is to ask - what do these PL do to actually support actual living children in need in this country or the world? How much do they give to UNICEF/Save the Children etc charities? How much do they donate time, money and resources to actual children living in poverty, bad housing, experiencing harm or bad schooling to ensure that these actual living children get the best life possible?

Do these PL, who cite religious grounds, actually enable women to obtain proper contraception when they need it? And speaking about religion, how many religious PL turn a blind eye to religious organisations history of child abuse?

I don't understand anyone, especially men, who does not accept a woman's right to chose what happens to her own body.

So, AIBU to ask Pro Life supporters to tell me in detail what they do - as actively as supporting their 'cause' - when it comes to helping living children in need?

I don't support abortion, that's all there is to it

Aaaand therein lies the problem with so many "pro-lifers" (not how I'd describe them): no justification, no argument, no explanation. No answering a multitude of questions and problems thrown up by holding and supporting this position.

Just "that's all there is to it".

@Mrgrinch

Right clearly this thread isn't about discussing the question in the OP, where she asked for the opinion of pro-life people. It's just a big pile on me. I'm not interested and I didn't come here to defend my beliefs.

I don't support abortion, that's all there is to it.

Fine. But then if you are a woman (doubting this bec of your name choice, but hey, you can choose to identify how you want to as far as I'm concerned) then that is your right.

But for you to impose that right upon other women is where it comes as a red line for me.

And I'm fascinated as to why, if you believe what you believe, then what you do to actually help living children who are in real need, wherever they are in the world.

Go on, tell me the list of things you actively do to believe that life is important, no matter what stage it is at.

@HarrietsChariot

A solution of sorts would be to permit a woman to have an abortion, but only if she is sterilised as part of the procedure. This would make people think very hard about whether an abortion is right for them, knowing that they will then no longer to be able to have children in the future. It satisfies the pro-choice argument that a woman should have the ability to decide whether to proceed or not, and from the pro-life point of view there will be no more repeat aborters.

As someone who is very much pro-abortion this would satisfy any qualms over the so-called morality of the decision.

(Personally I'm of the Bill Hicks school of thought, that not only should abortion be legal but in many cases should be mandatory!)

And i guess you only support letting men off the hook for child support if they want to walk out on their kids if only they agree to a vasectomy?

*also, not only

@Mrgrinch

Right clearly this thread isn't about discussing the question in the OP, where she asked for the opinion of pro-life people. It's just a big pile on me. I'm not interested and I didn't come here to defend my beliefs.

I don't support abortion, that's all there is to it.

Maybe you should move to Texas.

Ban in Texas after 6 weeks of pregnancy. In Britain is up to 24 weeks which I find is murder tbh.

Texas have banned safe abortion and put far more lives at risk. People will still try to terminate pregnancies at the same rate, but there will be a lot more pain and suffering. This report suggests the abortion rate goes down once it's legal www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna858476

@Petardos

Ban in Texas after 6 weeks of pregnancy. In Britain is up to 24 weeks which I find is murder tbh.

It's not.

HTH.

@Petardos

Ban in Texas after 6 weeks of pregnancy. In Britain is up to 24 weeks which I find is murder tbh.

I hope you're reporting these murders to the police 🙄

Anti abortion laws never should have occurred in the first place.

They came about as a backlash to women obtaining more rights and from a growing body of physicians who wanted to take over the lucrative business of childbirth from midwives who also performed abortions.

@Petardos

Ban in Texas after 6 weeks of pregnancy. In Britain is up to 24 weeks which I find is murder tbh.

Please look up "murder" in the dictionary. It doesn't mean what you think it means

Murder is what the law says it is.

Even before 1967 in the UK, women found guilty of procuring illegal terminations were never charged with murder or manslaughter but desctruction of a child/infanticide.

@seaandsandcastles

In America a lot of the Christian pro lifers will actually provide and/or find homes for the babies.

@seaandsandcastles not surprising you've run away. Bullshit!

I am not against abortion but it should not replaced birth control. There are so many ways to prevent pregnancy and even after having sex you have the morning after pill. If you are rape is different as it is horrible but I why people have an abortion at 24 weeks?

@Petardos

Ban in Texas after 6 weeks of pregnancy. In Britain is up to 24 weeks which I find is murder tbh.

I don't think you understand what murder is. Back to school for you.

I've always wondered this. How people can apparently care so much about a pregnancy in someone else yet not care about what happens to the baby after. Who looks after it when the teenage girls tiny body is disabled after carrying and birthing to the point she can't work..

Who's going to look after existing children as a woman/ girl recovers from.major surgery.

Who's buying food and houses fir these children.

And why is everyone so concerned about what a woman chose to do to her own body and not about the men who rape and coerce the women /girls into sex then fuck right off.

No one who has the ability to be a million miles away or fuck off into the sunset shirking the responsibility should have a say in what the women/girl does with thr baby.

The babies weren't made on their own yet only the women are punished. Figures huh...

@Driftingblue

Don’t ask people who support abortion bans if they donate to charity. Ask them if they support paid maternity leave, access to health insurance, subsidized child care, and enforced child support. Ask them if they support laws that would make it possible for women to actually be parents instead of leaving them with no money, no childcare, and an Infant.

Totally agree. I did use the extreme example of children in need, but you are right. Women who chose to have children need better public services and better paid and work rights to reflect their role as mothers and to ensure the health of their child/ren.

Those of you who are apparently so keen to hear my opinion on things, feel free to PM me and I'll gladly say it.

This is a parenting website where I know people come for advice on abortions and I'm not going to purposely say something on here that I know would upset them, it's not the place.

@Petardos

I am not against abortion but it should not replaced birth control. There are so many ways to prevent pregnancy and even after having sex you have the morning after pill. If you are rape is different as it is horrible but I why people have an abortion at 24 weeks?

Why is rape different?

I hear this a lot and I don't get it.

Surely it doesn't matter how the fetus got there if you believe its an innocent life or whatever.

All I get from that statement is that women must be punished if they have sex they enjoy.

Its pretty easy to look up why women have abortions after 20 weeks. Maybe you should do that and then come back and say its wrong.

@Petardos

I am not against abortion but it should not replaced birth control. There are so many ways to prevent pregnancy and even after having sex you have the morning after pill. If you are rape is different as it is horrible but I why people have an abortion at 24 weeks?

The number of abortions that occur after 20 weeks is vanishingly small and almost entirely due to life-threatening defects found during the 20 week scan.

Abortion is an essential safety net for when things go wrong or even if a woman just decides that actually, she is not prepared to put herself through childbirth and everything that goes after it.

You can hate abortion with every fibre of your being, that's absolutely fine. What you don't get to do is restrict access to safe abortion to other people. That's equally murder, by your own definition.

@HarrietsChariot

A solution of sorts would be to permit a woman to have an abortion, but only if she is sterilised as part of the procedure. This would make people think very hard about whether an abortion is right for them, knowing that they will then no longer to be able to have children in the future. It satisfies the pro-choice argument that a woman should have the ability to decide whether to proceed or not, and from the pro-life point of view there will be no more repeat aborters.

As someone who is very much pro-abortion this would satisfy any qualms over the so-called morality of the decision.

(Personally I'm of the Bill Hicks school of thought, that not only should abortion be legal but in many cases should be mandatory!)

Oh my god that is one of the most barbaric things I have ever read. Shame on you!!!

Something that pragmatic pro-lifers and pro-choicers should be able to agree on is that the best way to reduce the number of terminations is more and better contraception and sex education.

I don't support abortion, that's all there is to it.

But don't pretend you suppose children either.

@HarrietsChariot

A solution of sorts would be to permit a woman to have an abortion, but only if she is sterilised as part of the procedure. This would make people think very hard about whether an abortion is right for them, knowing that they will then no longer to be able to have children in the future. It satisfies the pro-choice argument that a woman should have the ability to decide whether to proceed or not, and from the pro-life point of view there will be no more repeat aborters.

As someone who is very much pro-abortion this would satisfy any qualms over the so-called morality of the decision.

(Personally I'm of the Bill Hicks school of thought, that not only should abortion be legal but in many cases should be mandatory!)

There is so much wrong with this I don’t even know where to start.

@HarrietsChariot

A solution of sorts would be to permit a woman to have an abortion, but only if she is sterilised as part of the procedure. This would make people think very hard about whether an abortion is right for them, knowing that they will then no longer to be able to have children in the future. It satisfies the pro-choice argument that a woman should have the ability to decide whether to proceed or not, and from the pro-life point of view there will be no more repeat aborters.

As someone who is very much pro-abortion this would satisfy any qualms over the so-called morality of the decision.

(Personally I'm of the Bill Hicks school of thought, that not only should abortion be legal but in many cases should be mandatory!)

Only a woman-hating sociopath would think that that's a remotely good idea.