AIBU to ask how much support Pro-Life believers provide for actual children in need? Texas just banned abortion in the US.

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AIBU to ask what Pro Life 'supporters' do to actually help living children in need? Sparked by Rachel Maddow Show Podcast on MSNBC - which gives a brilliant coverage on what's going on.

PL seems to want to stop a woman's right to choose, even in instances of rape or incest. That's in Texas, US, but as we know, many of the 'trends' that start in the US migrate over here. And as we know, there are lots of Pro-Life (read anti abortion, anti women) believers over here.

So, my AIBU is to ask - what do these PL do to actually support actual living children in need in this country or the world? How much do they give to UNICEF/Save the Children etc charities? How much do they donate time, money and resources to actual children living in poverty, bad housing, experiencing harm or bad schooling to ensure that these actual living children get the best life possible?

Do these PL, who cite religious grounds, actually enable women to obtain proper contraception when they need it? And speaking about religion, how many religious PL turn a blind eye to religious organisations history of child abuse?

I don't understand anyone, especially men, who does not accept a woman's right to chose what happens to her own body.

So, AIBU to ask Pro Life supporters to tell me in detail what they do - as actively as supporting their 'cause' - when it comes to helping living children in need?

But all that does is punish the women and the girls then born as opposed to out any pressure on the men to change.

If men want to see more if a balance they need timask.themsekves why so many women opt out of giving them a steady stream of girls to abuse. If men want a wife they need to become someone worthy of marrying.

Babies should be born because they are wanted and loved. Not to provide " safety in numbers" and absorb mens issues.

But is it the women choosing for themselves to abort healthy female foetuses? Sometimes yes, no doubt, but there are surely plenty of women forced to abort their babies by their husbands and MILs.

I’ve worked with a project that supports Central Asian women; this really is distressingly common in those countries, women being forced to abort a baby because it’s a girl.

It isn’t necessarily pro choice at all.

Not to provide " safety in numbers" and absorb mens issues.

Whilst there is safety in numbers for women my point isn't about either of those things. If you support sex selective abortion because men are oppressors then when and how does that change?

I agree with Lizzie that it is not usually women choosing to abort female fetuses, they are being forced/coerced by men, we should challenge that not make it easier for men to justify their oppressive behaviour.

Again thats something very easy to say. And logically absolutely that makes sense.

But these women aren't in a position to think about some greater good 50 years on the future are they. They only have the here and now.

To answer the question.

I am mildly pro-life, but also an atheist and not a part of any organisation. I believe that the legal right to abortion should be there (so Texan laws are quite extreme), but ideally would like to see fewer abortions and also access restricted - say, later than the first trimester only in cases of foetal abnormality, or danger to the mother's life. I financially support an orphanage and if someone close to me was considering termination I'd offer more individual support, down to adopting.

@Whatwouldscullydo

But all that does is punish the women and the girls then born as opposed to out any pressure on the men to change.

If men want to see more if a balance they need timask.themsekves why so many women opt out of giving them a steady stream of girls to abuse. If men want a wife they need to become someone worthy of marrying.

But that wouldn’t work in the countries you are talking about where women have no rights at all. Women there don’t have access to abortions and the are illegal. So there isn’t going to be any sex selection abortions as an act of rebellion to get men to change their ways.

All they can do is what the Tasmanian women did. Kill every child of theirs that is born, understanding that they themselves may be killed for infanticide.

@SudokuZebra

When you post a thread suggesting that women's choice should be restricted, people might tend to argue with you.

Really? If you're referring to the thread that was deleted for sockpuppeting, you seemed to be suggesting that women should not have been able to access EMA pills during the pandemic.

Bit sure, one comment on the Internet is just as bad as people campaigning against woman's rights and setting up websites to report women who have abortions. Both sides are as bad as each other. 🙄

I have been reading comments that people often don't know they are pregnant at 6 weeks, I might be harsh but if they don't want a baby they can take regular cheap pregnancy tests which you can get for pennies if you but in bulk online.

I had to for years as I am on a medication which would cause the baby to be born with deformities if you are on it if you are more than 6 weeks pregnant, I needed to call the hospital to try and get an appointment to get switched over to injections and the oral medication takes 3 days to clear your system something so in reality I had to know by 5 weeks.

I took so many pregnancy tests over the years, just in case, whether we were trying for a baby at the time or not.

I managed it and I have totally irregular periods.

Therefore I would say Texas are restricting not banning abortions

@Sixgeese

I have been reading comments that people often don't know they are pregnant at 6 weeks, I might be harsh but if they don't want a baby they can take regular cheap pregnancy tests which you can get for pennies if you but in bulk online.

I had to for years as I am on a medication which would cause the baby to be born with deformities if you are on it if you are more than 6 weeks pregnant, I needed to call the hospital to try and get an appointment to get switched over to injections and the oral medication takes 3 days to clear your system something so in reality I had to know by 5 weeks.

I took so many pregnancy tests over the years, just in case, whether we were trying for a baby at the time or not.

I managed it and I have totally irregular periods.

Therefore I would say Texas are restricting not banning abortions

So you think women who live in poverty (remember general medical supplies are more expensive in the US) can both organise (as in get a slot) and cover the cost of the drugs required (and I’m guessing an ultrasound to confirm she is under six weeks) within a four week period of time?

Why do you think women should be punished financially and have reduced say over what happens to their bodies?

Yes, I think the poster who said that was vile and probably on a par with some extreme pro lifers, as they probably both like to enjoy abusing vulnurable women online.

So posting comment online is the same as setting up a vigilante website to report women and anyone who helps them get healthcare, protesting outside abortion clinics, campaigning to remove funding from clinics that provide necessary services and murdering doctors who carry out abortions now is it?

@Sixgeese

I have been reading comments that people often don't know they are pregnant at 6 weeks, I might be harsh but if they don't want a baby they can take regular cheap pregnancy tests which you can get for pennies if you but in bulk online.

I had to for years as I am on a medication which would cause the baby to be born with deformities if you are on it if you are more than 6 weeks pregnant, I needed to call the hospital to try and get an appointment to get switched over to injections and the oral medication takes 3 days to clear your system something so in reality I had to know by 5 weeks.

I took so many pregnancy tests over the years, just in case, whether we were trying for a baby at the time or not.

I managed it and I have totally irregular periods.

Therefore I would say Texas are restricting not banning abortions

I don't just think that's harsh, I think that's vile. Not to mention extremely ignorant.

I am not arguing for or against the Texas 'heart beat' law, just pointing out it isn't hard to get pregnancy tests online (about 33 cents a test on Amazon.com), and testing regularly to establish whether or not you are pregnant.

I was getting wound up by all the people up thread who seemed to think finding out before 6 weeks was impossible, and one locum GP I spoke to just after I was diagnosed seemed to think it was, telling me if I got pregnant on my medication abortion was my only option.

It isn't impossible, hard or expensive to take regular pregnancy tests, I did.

[quote SudokuZebra]@Deletesystem33 you are still not clarifying wether you thought that was completely unnaceptable behaviour from the pro choice community ? [/quote]
It was unacceptable from the individuals who said it, not from any kind of "community".

@Sixgeese

I am not arguing for or against the Texas 'heart beat' law, just pointing out it isn't hard to get pregnancy tests online (about 33 cents a test on Amazon.com), and testing regularly to establish whether or not you are pregnant.

I was getting wound up by all the people up thread who seemed to think finding out before 6 weeks was impossible, and one locum GP I spoke to just after I was diagnosed seemed to think it was, telling me if I got pregnant on my medication abortion was my only option.

It isn't impossible, hard or expensive to take regular pregnancy tests, I did.

I doubt it's reasonable to expect every sexually active woman in Texas to get a pregnancy test every few weeks. Especially considering they're not always accurate, or easy to obtain for all women.

It isn't impossible, hard or expensive to take regular pregnancy tests, I did.

Well clearly it must be just as easy for everyone in the world. 🙄

@SudokuZebra

Well *@Deletesystem33*, these people proudly described themselves as members of the pro choice community. They were active in pro choice groups/ policies etc

But still not representative of every single person who shares their views. And still not on the same level as murdering doctors.