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Upset daughter

112 replies

DilemmaDelilah · 25/08/2021 10:30

Back story - my daughter is very sensitive but also it seems quite incapable of understanding that other people (me) are also sensitive and can get upset by her comments. She and her family came to lunch on Sunday and she made several comments that upset me but her reaction is to laugh at me for being offended. They weren't majorly upsetting, but they were unkind. I provide some childcare for my daughter at half terms and a little in the summer holidays. I work full time so this has to come out of my annual leave. I also try to have the children overnight at least once a month so they are used to being here and it gives their parents a break. The children frequently come to us without enough clothes having been packed, she believes that they should be responsible for their own packing so does not supervise. I don't disagree with that in principle, but in reality it doesn't work. So I have been picking up a few bits of spare clothing for them in the sales so that there is something here if they have an accident or just don't have enough. It's only supermarket clothing and I am very happy for it to sit in the drawer and not be worn. However the children have frequently gone home in clothes other than they arrived in, especially socks, and you would think she would have noticed that - plus on occasion I have actually told her why. So - yesterday they arrived here in t-shirts and shorts. No jumper, fleece or coat. We had a picnic in the woods planned and it was breezy and not that warm, although nice and sunny. When I realised that was all they had with them and I told the older child that I was fed up of having to buy extra clothes for them because they didn't bring enough with them. I was cross - but before you say it I know I was unreasonable. I had some light jumpers for them here so they wore those and they were glad of them, because it was actually quite chilly! This morning I had a phone call from my daughter - the older child had told her I was cross at them and she was telling me off. She said it was a hot day so they didn't need anything more than t-shirts, I told her about the picnic and that it was actually quite cold. She said if I had told her what I was planning she would have made sure they had enough clothes but it was a hot day anyway.... there was a bit of a 'discussion' and I did not apologise, resulting in her telling me she was very upset and putting the phone down on me. My OH was actually already on the way to pick up the children at the time and when he got there she didn't even come downstairs to talk to him. So - she is upset - I am also upset, but she still expects me to look after her children (although to be fair it would be difficult for her to find alternative childcare) and she wants me to apologise. I would like her to apologise for upsetting me, but I haven't asked her to do so. I would like her to apologise for not realising that the children come to us with unsuitable or insufficient clothing, which I then have to remedy. My difficulty is that we are going away in a couple of weeks and I have asked her to feed the cats every other day while we are away (they have an automatic cat feeder so don't need checking on every day). I am worried that she might say she won't do it - she would have to get 2 buses to do so. We feed her cat every day when she goes away but we do have a car. AIBU in not apologising for having upset her? I am still looking after the children.

OP posts:
Anordinarymum · 25/08/2021 12:21

@DilemmaDelilah

Thanks for all your comments and suggestions.
  1. The children are 7 and 10.
  2. When the first went to school I offered to have them for 2 days every half term and that is a commitment I am happy to stick with. I did not offer to have them during the holidays - she asked.
  3. I love my grandchildren dearly and am very glad to see them, but I'm not at all fit and I find them exhausting.
  4. The cats are elderly and have never been in a cattery and I'm not starting now. She started feeding them for us when it was only 1 bus journey, she has since moved. It wouldn't be a 2 hour trip and she doesn't work full time, she finishes at 2.30.
  5. I absolutely should not have been cross at my grandchild and when the opportunity arises I will tell them so - I'm not going to make a big thing of it.
  6. They have been sent home in clothes from my house because their own have been set or otherwise unwearable. e.g. Socks with more hole than sock. I haven't always told her but I have done sometimes.
My husband thinks I should text her to apologise. I don't want to - I think I should apologise to my grandchild and I will do so. I do do a lot for her, most of which I am happy to do but not all. They don't have a car and we do quite a lot of ferrying around.... (By a lot I mean a couple of times a month, not a week).
I bet you are reeling from some of the replies OP!

You haven't said how you are going to deal with your daughter though?

When she made the comments at the meal they came and enjoyed, why didn't her father jump on her and tell her to 'shut the fuck up'? is what I want to know

It's all very nice for her children to witness her being rude to you, but you are not supposed to respond in case her sensitive side takes offence. No.

HappyMeal564 · 25/08/2021 12:23

Don't have them for monthly sleepovers for a while until she learns to send the right clothes and be grateful. She sounds rude and ungrateful

TillyTopper · 25/08/2021 12:28

I'd frank conversation with her and book the cats into a cattery/with a sitter if you are worried about her refusing.
YANBU to tell the kids to bring other stuff if they are responsible for their own packing - if she thinks they are responsible then go with it.
She sounds a bit precious to me and she takes a lot of help from you, I'd be decreasing that and be less available tbh. She may then appreciate you more.

Moltenpink · 25/08/2021 12:28

Are you my mum? We always disagree over the number of layers my kids need. I keep getting little packs of vests as a gift. I would imagine they were running around at the picnic and would have been fine in t shirts.

KarmaStar · 25/08/2021 12:30

Yabu she's being a spoilt little madam.
Put her straight in no uncertain terms.
If she throws her toys out of the pram and refuses to feed your cats,ask a friend or neighbour or use a cattery and give her a month's notice for child care so you don't use up your A/L.
I appreciate it sounds tit for tat but she has to learn their are repercussion for her tantrums.

JudgeRindersMinder · 25/08/2021 12:33

Don’t go looking for Apollo because it won’t happen and you’ll just end up more annoyed.
Your daughter might be “sensitive”, but she also sounds immature and manipulative.
You’re the one doing the favours, you need to lay ground rules

MatildaTheCat · 25/08/2021 12:33

My SIL has done this several times, once we had the DC for a weekend and she let them ‘pack’ without checking and DN didn’t even have any PJs. It’s really annoying.

I think getting cross with/ around the DC as a one off burst of frustration is ok- do you think their teachers never do the same? It may well prompt them to pack more carefully even if their parents should be doing more.

I’d definitely leave it a day or two then send a short message saying you appreciate she’s upset but hopefully going forward the DC will bring the Right clothing and you can all have fun together.

The cat is a problem. It would be very mean of her to refuse now but frankly it is a big ask of someone who works and has DC. I have neither and would be very reluctant to take this on. There must be someone locally who will do this either as a favour to be returned or for a small sum? Try asking on the Nextdoor app if you don’t know anyone.

Yummymummy2020 · 25/08/2021 12:35

I think you are being unfair to even ask her to get two buses to your cats. She also should send the kids with enough clothes.

Givemebackmylilo · 25/08/2021 12:37

You both sound like drama

MiaMarshmallows · 25/08/2021 12:38

Sounds like this goes beyond more than insufficient clothes being packed.
You were unreasonable to discuss it with your granddaughter.

You need to sit down with your daughter and tell her how you have been feeling and why what happened, happened.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 25/08/2021 12:42

She’s being very unreasonable. And I say this as a GM who’s had Gdcs to stay several times lately - if anything, my dd over-packs for them.

I’d say, ‘Look, I really don’t want to argue or fall out, but do please make sure the children have enough suitable clothes in future, especially given our unpredictable weather - and please don’t leave it up to them to pack, it’s just not working. I have often needed to buy spare things as it is.’

As for the cats, I’d just book a cattery if you can at such short notice. I know it’s expensive though. Or perhaps ask a neighbour you’re friendly with - if you could reciprocate with something. IMO having to get 2 buses to feed cats is a fairly big ask (childcare issues aside).

Wishihadanalgorithm · 25/08/2021 12:50

OP, your DD is taking advantage. Get a cat sitter, pull back on being free childcare so you are not using annual leave and see what she does. Apologise to the GC for being cross (even though it wasn’t with them) and tell DD that if you are to continue looking after her children for free that she ensures they have all the appropriate clothes for future childcare.

You DD sounds spoilt and whilst she may be sensitive she is not sensitive to anyone else as other PP have pointed out.

DilemmaDelilah · 25/08/2021 12:54

My OH is not her father. Her comments and attitude were unkind, not rude, and my husband wouldn't make it more uncomfortable for everyone including me by calling her out on it. Comments were going on and on about not taking bottles to the bottle bin, ( we have very few and the bottle bin is always so full there are bags of bottles beside it.... ) and crossly telling me that the children couldn't be expected to play quietly and why didn't we put the telly on or give them their tablets ( why didn't she just ask if she could put the telly on or for their tablets?) I wasn't complaining about the children's noise by the way. I had just asked everyone if they wanted coffee in the dining room without the children or in the sitting room with the children. I may be oversensitive perhaps but it doesn't change the fact that I was upset (not crying upset) and her attitude was basically to laugh and to tell me to get over it, as if she was just teasing me.

OP posts:
Anordinarymum · 25/08/2021 12:59

@DilemmaDelilah

My OH is not her father. Her comments and attitude were unkind, not rude, and my husband wouldn't make it more uncomfortable for everyone including me by calling her out on it. Comments were going on and on about not taking bottles to the bottle bin, ( we have very few and the bottle bin is always so full there are bags of bottles beside it.... ) and crossly telling me that the children couldn't be expected to play quietly and why didn't we put the telly on or give them their tablets ( why didn't she just ask if she could put the telly on or for their tablets?) I wasn't complaining about the children's noise by the way. I had just asked everyone if they wanted coffee in the dining room without the children or in the sitting room with the children. I may be oversensitive perhaps but it doesn't change the fact that I was upset (not crying upset) and her attitude was basically to laugh and to tell me to get over it, as if she was just teasing me.
She sounds awful OP.

I have a daughter and she would never speak to me like this. She would not want to. If she did I would wonder if there was some underlying niggle going on making her be so unkind.

DilemmaDelilah · 25/08/2021 12:59

And if she won't feed the cats then I will ask our neighbours. I haven't done it before because although we are friendly we have never been into each other's houses and it is a long-standing agreement with my daughter, reciprocated by all the things we do for her. I don't think it is wrong to ask her to feed the cats for a week or so once or twice a year in return for all the things we do for her. As stated before, she finishes work at 2.30, she could bring the children with her, her partner could do it, they live very close to a bus stop and so do we, both on city bus routes so very frequent.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 25/08/2021 13:06

Make other arrangements for your cat and stop doing so much for her.

She sounds very rude.

BooomShakeTheRoom · 25/08/2021 13:06

YABU.

Firstly - you don't get any awards for having them stay once a month or the odd week in the holidays. You are their grandparent and you'd expect to want to see them. That's not as a favour to your daughter but because you actually love your grandchildren. Do you?

Secondly - it's August. It may have been a tad chilly but kids are fine in shorts and t-shirts. Most kids spend all summer in this. They run around and keep busy.

Stop trying to act like their parent and then moan about doing it. If you have an issue with what she's packed TELL her and ask her to drop off x,y,z. Don't buy the clothes then moan at the kids for it.

You were very unreasonable taking it out on the kids. I hate to say it but one day they'll stop wanting to come if you keep being petty. They'll see it for what it is and will rather not come.

Be giving and generous to your grandkids with no strings attached. If you have a problem with your daughter, speak to her about it instead of the kids.

BooomShakeTheRoom · 25/08/2021 13:07

@DilemmaDelilah

And if she won't feed the cats then I will ask our neighbours. I haven't done it before because although we are friendly we have never been into each other's houses and it is a long-standing agreement with my daughter, reciprocated by all the things we do for her. I don't think it is wrong to ask her to feed the cats for a week or so once or twice a year in return for all the things we do for her. As stated before, she finishes work at 2.30, she could bring the children with her, her partner could do it, they live very close to a bus stop and so do we, both on city bus routes so very frequent.
You expect her to take kids on a bus with her everyday for a week to feed your cats?? Use a kennels. You seem very bitter, it's a shame, that's not what family is about.
BlueMongoose · 25/08/2021 13:08

Expecting a 7 and a 10 yr old to pack what they need without checking they have packed what they need is just being lazy.

I'm all for kids being independent, but not at the expense of causing problems for people doing both them and me a favour. And you don't teach kids how to pack the right things if you never check to see they have and get them to add things they missed out if necessary.

Howshouldibehave · 25/08/2021 13:09

@billy1966

Make other arrangements for your cat and stop doing so much for her.

She sounds very rude.

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BlueMongoose · 25/08/2021 13:10

@BooomShakeTheRoom

YABU.

Firstly - you don't get any awards for having them stay once a month or the odd week in the holidays. You are their grandparent and you'd expect to want to see them. That's not as a favour to your daughter but because you actually love your grandchildren. Do you?

Secondly - it's August. It may have been a tad chilly but kids are fine in shorts and t-shirts. Most kids spend all summer in this. They run around and keep busy.

Stop trying to act like their parent and then moan about doing it. If you have an issue with what she's packed TELL her and ask her to drop off x,y,z. Don't buy the clothes then moan at the kids for it.

You were very unreasonable taking it out on the kids. I hate to say it but one day they'll stop wanting to come if you keep being petty. They'll see it for what it is and will rather not come.

Be giving and generous to your grandkids with no strings attached. If you have a problem with your daughter, speak to her about it instead of the kids.

So she should have let the kids be cold? It's been ruddy cold up here the last few weeks. What would her little madam of a daughter have said if the kids had reported that?
1forAll74 · 25/08/2021 13:12

It's a bit of a silly situation, to have developed into a non big issue. All very petty and nonsensical.

BooomShakeTheRoom · 25/08/2021 13:15

@BlueMongoose

Reported?! For letting kids wear t-shirt and shorts in the summer?! Lots of kids prefer wearing less even when it's chilly. They tend to run hot and exercise much more than adults. No one would get reported.

As I said. If it was that cold, then OP should call her daughter and ask her to drop of xyz. Not provide the odd jumper (which needn't cost much) and then moan about it. It's a bloody jumper. OR the sensible thing to do would be change plans. Have a garden picnic instead so if it get too cold they can come indoors. OP is making a mountain out of a molehill.

And she's a grandparent. It should be a privilege to care for her grandchildren once in a while, not a chore that the daughter should be forever grateful for and something for her to bitch and moan about on an internet forum.

diddl · 25/08/2021 13:18

As you say/know, you were wrong to say anything to the kids.

You had jumpers anyway, so no problem.

That said, their mother is happy enough for her kids to take the blame for not packing what's needed!

Although in this case if they didn't know a pick nick in the woods was planned?

Maybe they should always pack a jumper/rainjacket just in case?

Your daughter does sound like a taker though.

Not only free childcare but anything that she cba to remember must be provided!

I'd get alternative care for the cats.

I think having to take two buses does sound inconvenient.

Although you do a lot for her I'm not sure how much she has asked for & how much you want to do.

I agree apologise to your GC.

PearlclutchersInc · 25/08/2021 13:24

Get a cat sitter who comes in every day to check on them and feed them etc. so that you're not dependant on her (and so that the cats don't get neglected).