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Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

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Meeklynamechanged · 17/08/2021 22:16

In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

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Hellotoallmyfans · 18/08/2021 00:28

Perhaps everyone who has a second home or an empty property could have it compulsorily purchased?

Perhaps everyone who has money in the bank could have it compulsorily removed to pay for accommodation for refugees/homeless people?

See how that works?

VioletSand · 18/08/2021 00:28

Well I did wonder whether pvt landlords would help, it's just the ones where I live won't touch people on benefits with a barge pole and want guarantors.

They are extremely discriminatory towards people deemed in need of government support, even people who work but have their wages supplemented by UC are regularly turned down.

That's not discrimination though, is it? The landlord is making an assessment of how reliable someone's income is, the same as a bank does when you apply for credit or a mortgage. They know that the data shows people in receipt of benefits are more likely to default on the rental contract so they ask for extra security - pay up front/ guarantor. The same would apply to any other credit facility. A company with unstable revenue or a bad credit history would be subject to similar kinds of limitations when borrowing money, or much higher interest rates to offset the risk. It's just how risk/ price works in an inverse relationship, it has nothing to do with discrimination.

I doubt landlords would be so wary if the support from the Government for people in need was not so sporadic and unreliable, which leads to frequent defaults. I think you are directing your anger at the wrong people.

I'm not and have never been a landlord btw, before anybody suggests that. But people who are, are not a charity. They have costs to meet too and should be able to expect people to fulfil the contracts they have made and if lots do not, of course they have taken mitigating measures.

gardeninggirl68 · 18/08/2021 00:29

@Clocktopus

royal residences is a stupid idea.....they are mainly rural or set back from society

And could you imagine the Daily Mail headlines about refugees "living it up" in Royal palaces?

i think many are crumbling and dated. probably takes hours to fire up the aga's and will be cold, dusty and creepy
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StoneofDestiny · 18/08/2021 00:29

royal residences is a stupid idea.....they are mainly rural or set back from society

Think you will find Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace and Clarence House are Central London
Holyrood Palace is Central Edinburgh

And could you imagine the Daily Mail headlines about refugees "living it up" in Royal palaces?

Put the. In prison then, the Daily Fail will say they are living it up there too

snowballer · 18/08/2021 00:30

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Strawberrirose · 18/08/2021 00:30

I didn’t mean for any old empty buildings to simply be used to house people.
I meant in the sense that in my town for example there are a lot of buildings empty for years, no longer used spaces that could be converted by housing associations/councils to provide housing. Many have been developed into housing by private developers but councils needing affordable housing could do the same thing. Many have been up for sale/ lease for years.

StoneofDestiny · 18/08/2021 00:30

i think many are crumbling and dated. probably takes hours to fire up the aga's and will be cold, dusty and creepy

I think you will find they are not. I've been in at least 6 of them, I can assure you they are not.

Hellotoallmyfans · 18/08/2021 00:31

Well I did wonder whether pvt landlords would help, it's just the ones where I live won't touch people on benefits with a barge pole and want guarantors.

They are extremely discriminatory towards people deemed in need of government support, even people who work but have their wages supplemented by UC are regularly turned down.

We are private landlords - it's how we earn a living to feed and clothe our family and keep a roof over our own heads. If you ran a business and (from experience) knew you had little to no chance of being paid for the service you provide, would you still provide it? Our would you want to ensure at least a decent chance of being paid?

People who make comments like those above usually have precisely no experience of the matter they are talking about.

StoneofDestiny · 18/08/2021 00:32

royal residences is a stupid idea.....they are mainly rural or set back from society

Oh well - back to sending them to remote islands and to areas of high deprivation and unemployment 'up north'

Fangdango · 18/08/2021 00:32

@MobyDicksTinyCanoe

My uncles offered up his granny flat in his garden on some charity thing. We have surplus housing in our area and a lot of Syrian refugees who have integrated really well. We were dubious at first as they were housed on an estate thats notorius for trouble..... But they buddied them up with some of the matriarchs on the estate and with groups and get togethers organised by our multicultural forum theyve integtated really well. The kids especially. One lady has set up a really popular business selling crafts.

I haven't had a great deal to do with them tbh but one kf my friends lives next door to one of the families and the screams from one of their daughters night terrors are haunting. They resorted to sleeping downstairs at one point as they just couldnt cope with hearing it.

Hopefully with time theyll heal..... Personally I think everyone deserves a safe place to live. Those young (( unarmed)) men fleeing are somebodies sons. If that was my son id be pushing him onto the damn plane myself.

Yes. I'm tangentially. involved in schemes that help refugees integrate. That sounds similar. They can work for the whole community. If in Wales, have a look at the Welsh Refugee Council if you'd like to contribute. Equivalents elsewhere of course.
snowballer · 18/08/2021 00:32

@Hellotoallmyfans

Perhaps everyone who has a second home or an empty property could have it compulsorily purchased?

Perhaps everyone who has money in the bank could have it compulsorily removed to pay for accommodation for refugees/homeless people?

See how that works?

I'm not in favour of compulsory purchasing, but your analogy only works if that money removed from the bank account was exchanged for...er...money
Clarissa111 · 18/08/2021 00:33

@Twatterati

I volunteer for a charity that supports refugees and asylum seekers once they arrive in the UK.

You'd be horrified if you saw the state of the housing they are placed in. Honestly, it is horrendous, they are often barely habitable. Remember also that these poor souls arrive with nothing - all their furniture, clothing, kitchen utensils, bedding etc etc are ones that have been donated. The complete lack of provision is shocking.

Many, many asylum seekers/refugees are re-located to the centre of one of our grimmest, poorest and most rundown cities as that is where the housing is cheapest in the country. Families are placed in HMOs, sharing bathroom and kitchen facilities with other families, or in desperately neglected and rundown homes. These places are filthy to begin with and don't improve with overcrowding.

The parent(s) are so often just shells of themselves, having seen such tragedy in their home country. The journey is horrendous and many families are torn apart and broken before even making the trip.

What I can't emphasise enough is that the reality is NOT what the media would lead us to believe. They DO NOT get amazing housing, loads of benefits etc. The 'normal' rules don't apply, they don't jump the queue, they are living below the poverty line and applications for their leave to remain can take YEARS. They rely on food donations, food banks, charities and kind hearted neighbours to just survive. Mental health suffers because they're so isolated (as they're not permitted to find employment until they have leave to remain) and many do voluntary work themselves just to get out the house.

As a nation, we should actually be embarrassed and ashamed at the 'refuge' we provide as it isn't even the bare minimum. No one is anywhere near living the life of Riley. Far, far from it.

Couldn't agree more! So sick of the press telling people they live in mansions and get thousands. It's bull.
VioletSand · 18/08/2021 00:35

And the younger folk who are paying for your triple lock pensions?

They will get a much lower amount by the time they retire if the triple lock is scrapped. Ironically this will impact the young more than the elderly, much more, because of the effect ot compounding annual percentage increases.

MobyDicksTinyCanoe · 18/08/2021 00:35

Its always seemed bizarre to me that people from the EU have always been able to come over whether they're skilled or not and yet people fleeing actual war and death cant just rock up here.
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I know that's how the EU worked. I'm not that thick. But priorities seemed skewed to me when one group has an actual need but the other just has a want. If it came to it and we had to bale people out to house people in genuine need then it makes more sense to return members of the EU who have been here for less than 3 years or whatever than those who have a desperate need.

gardeninggirl68 · 18/08/2021 00:36

@StoneofDestiny

royal residences is a stupid idea.....they are mainly rural or set back from society

Think you will find Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace and Clarence House are Central London
Holyrood Palace is Central Edinburgh

And could you imagine the Daily Mail headlines about refugees "living it up" in Royal palaces?

Put the. In prison then, the Daily Fail will say they are living it up there too

yes i know 'i will find' central London locations HENCE i said MAINLY!!!

and even then, is there a tesco on the corner for the people to shop at? or will they be spending most of their meagre benefit money getting cabs up and down the mall?

MercyBooth · 18/08/2021 00:37

We have no social housing because of the type of parties we vote into power, ones that value tax cuts and free market competition over decent public services

And yet a PPs solution is to displace SH tenants creating more division.

perfectstorm · 18/08/2021 00:37

@StoneofDestiny

royal residences is a stupid idea.....they are mainly rural or set back from society

Think you will find Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace and Clarence House are Central London
Holyrood Palace is Central Edinburgh

And could you imagine the Daily Mail headlines about refugees "living it up" in Royal palaces?

Put the. In prison then, the Daily Fail will say they are living it up there too

More seriously: there are refugee support groups in every single town. People wanting to help can contact the local Food Bank, Quaker Meeting House or church and they will point the way to contacting them, and offering any and all support you can. If you want to support women and children especially, ours take outgrown/unwanted clothes, toys and toiletries with absolute gratitude.

Fangdango · 18/08/2021 00:37

Honestly. 5000 people a year is not a housing crisis. It does release funds for 400 odd councils to add to their stock. It doesn't need palaces or reforms to housing law.

But we should still abolish the monarchy and reform housing law for a fairer society, for the sake of UK citizens, even if we never see a refugee again.

gardeninggirl68 · 18/08/2021 00:39

@StoneofDestiny

i think many are crumbling and dated. probably takes hours to fire up the aga's and will be cold, dusty and creepy

I think you will find they are not. I've been in at least 6 of them, I can assure you they are not.

i've been in a fair few too....they are not in tip top condition at all.....how would an Afghan family heat those rooms? winter is just around the corner....and they are creepy.
Hellotoallmyfans · 18/08/2021 00:40

I'm not in favour of compulsory purchasing, but your analogy only works if that money removed from the bank account was exchanged for...er...money

I'm not sure what you mean? It could be used to pay for hotel/hostel accommodation for people could it not?
Owning accommodation as an investment is the same as having money in the bank, just probably a better investment. Why should we offer say, a £200k property for free which we need to enable us to earn a living/be able to retire when there are people with thousands/millions sat in the bank?

I'm asking the poster of the above statement if they would be happy to hand over their life savings to house refugees and homeless people? Seeing as they think others should essentially do the same, but with bricks and mortar? Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse...

MercyBooth · 18/08/2021 00:40

@Blossomtoes Its the default setting of the middle class leftie. They have really showed their true colours over the last 18 months.

Fangdango · 18/08/2021 00:40

There are good reasons to suspend triple lock pensions this year.

Refugees coming here now will be paying our pensions.

Sweettea1 · 18/08/2021 00:41

I'd take one of them little caravans on someone's drive if it ment me and my family were safe.

Fangdango · 18/08/2021 00:42

People keep talking about their sex, in today's photos. Look at their ages instead.